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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 13, 2014 18:12:03 GMT -5
Boring game, as usual for these occasions youre obvioulsy not german or argentinian because that was not a boring game...i cant believe even for the non-partisans it was boring?!
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 13, 2014 18:20:01 GMT -5
Dunno if Neuer hit the ball first, but if he did, then it doesn't matter what happens next.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Jul 13, 2014 18:27:26 GMT -5
Red Card, Penalty... I heard it here first.
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Post by MG on Jul 13, 2014 18:32:09 GMT -5
Dunno if Neuer hit the ball first, but if he did, then it doesn't matter what happens next. erm... not exactly. I actually missed the incident as was watching on laptop then went downstairs to watch on the big TV! Good final, first half was brilliant, Argies just couldn't take two great chances to take the lead. Gotez's goal was a true world cup winning goal. Demichaels and Mascharino were very good for Argentina and the latter being Argentina's player of the tournament for me. A load of Germans doing the business especially Schweinsteiger.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 13, 2014 18:37:48 GMT -5
Dunno if Neuer hit the ball first, but if he did, then it doesn't matter what happens next. he 100% got the ball first. find it a little funny that the argies would blame the loss on a single incident by a german rather than the 4 great chances their own players had to score...
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Post by eva on Jul 13, 2014 18:55:02 GMT -5
I'm not blaming the loss on that one incident, all I'm saying it's that it was a clear penalty. Neuer was reckless with his knee up The best team won, clearly. We had 2 or 3 clear chances and we missed them. I think the extra time in the semifinals paid its toll.
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Post by MG on Jul 13, 2014 19:12:37 GMT -5
Dunno if Neuer hit the ball first, but if he did, then it doesn't matter what happens next. he 100% got the ball first. find it a little funny that the argies would blame the loss on a single incident by a german rather than the 4 great chances their own players had to score... Doesn't matter if he got the ball first it still can be a foul. Even tho I wanted Argentina to win and they did play great in the final Germany deserved it for overall. Deserved winners. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 13, 2014 19:16:21 GMT -5
Dunno if Neuer hit the ball first, but if he did, then it doesn't matter what happens next. This sport is called football, and it has some rules. A player can't hit another one with HIS KNEE on other player's face. Doesn't matter where the ball is or if he's touched it before. If two players collide cos both wanna hit the ball and one does first, it's ok, but not when one lifts his foot too much (that's a fault often seen). Penalty, clear chance, last defender... red card. And it was SO clear that the referee invented it was Higuaín fault. I'm not saying either that Argentina lost for the ref fault, but it would have been a really different match. He helped the Germans there, as helped not showing red card to Agüero and Howedes later.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 13, 2014 19:58:55 GMT -5
he 100% got the ball first. find it a little funny that the argies would blame the loss on a single incident by a german rather than the 4 great chances their own players had to score... Doesn't matter if he got the ball first it still can be a foul. Even tho I wanted Argentina to win and they did play great in the final Germany deserved it for overall. Deserved winners. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk it can be a foul, yes, but i dont think this qualifies. GK are trained from day one to go for balls just like neur did with a raised knee (to protect themselves). even if it wasnt for protection, its the natural position youd find yourself in for a full steam running jump. thats what i meant by GK getting some leeway because they dont play the same way an outfield player does. kasey keller is on TV right now trying to explain to a couple of other dudes that higuain knows what hes getting into when he challenges for that ball. suprised the arguements arent over whether it was a handball or not. havent seen a definitive angle yet. for me it shouldve been an argentina throw in. just my opinion's obviously.
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Post by kingcrawler on Jul 13, 2014 20:02:05 GMT -5
Not sure why some people thought it was a boring game, it was pretty decent for most of it. On the Neuer penalty thing, I think it probably should've been a penalty but I can't remember ever seeing a penalty being givem for something like that. No idea how Germany got a free kick out of it though.
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 13, 2014 21:49:39 GMT -5
Dunno if Neuer hit the ball first, but if he did, then it doesn't matter what happens next. This sport is called football, and it has some rules. A player can't hit another one with HIS KNEE on other player's face. Doesn't matter where the ball is or if he's touched it before. If two players collide cos both wanna hit the ball and one does first, it's ok, but not when one lifts his foot too much (that's a fault often seen). Penalty, clear chance, last defender... red card. And it was SO clear that the referee invented it was Higuaín fault. I'm not saying either that Argentina lost for the ref fault, but it would have been a really different match. He helped the Germans there, as helped not showing red card to Agüero and Howedes later. First and foremost, it wasn't penalty. Second, Neuer hit the ball first, he hitted Higuain afterwards by accident. If the referee had given penalty for Argentina it would have been a big mistake.
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Post by manic on Jul 13, 2014 21:53:41 GMT -5
Nobody mentioning the fact Argentina should have been down to 9 men?
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 13, 2014 21:56:30 GMT -5
Just tell me guys, is this Ronaldo-Bartez encounter a penalty?
No it isn't, no one complained about this at the time, not even brazilians thought that it was penalty, it was normal, too bad that Bartez had hit Ronaldo so hard, but he hitted the ball first and end of.
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 13, 2014 22:05:07 GMT -5
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 13, 2014 22:22:35 GMT -5
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 13, 2014 22:29:39 GMT -5
Just tell me guys, is this Ronaldo-Bartez encounter a penalty? No it isn't, no one complained about this at the time, not even brazilians thought that it was penalty, it was normal, too bad that Bartez had hit Ronaldo so hard, but he hitted the ball first and end of. Look at Barthez knees. There's a collision cos both wanna touch the ball. Now look at Neuer knee and how he hits Higuaín. And can you tell why the ref said it was Higuaín fault?
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 13, 2014 22:33:43 GMT -5
My god...
To be a penalty, Neuer had to hit Higuain on purpose, but Neuer went for the ball and THEN hitted Higuain by accident afterwards, that was normal, same as Ronaldo-Barthez encounter.
No way a referee in the world would give a penalty to this.
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 13, 2014 22:36:45 GMT -5
It was his thigh that hitted Higuain, not his knee.
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 13, 2014 22:44:05 GMT -5
It's good you have your opinion. I'm just saying what the rule is. The rule is about danger, you invent purpose or "hitting the ball first is no fault"... Ok. It's funny cos you even know what Neuer was thinking... The ref didn't have balls to send him off. As he didn't later in 2 or 3 plays that deserved red card. As an example, Pepe hit the ball and later hit Alves. It was a red card, and no one discussed it wasn't at least fault cos it was dangerous.
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 13, 2014 22:50:11 GMT -5
It was his thigh that hitted Higuain, not his knee Look at the pic Eva posted. But it doesn't really matter, it's the same, hitting with thigh or knee on other player face is, at least, dangerous.
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 13, 2014 22:54:28 GMT -5
My god, really?? Are you comparing this Pepe's high foot on Dani Alves with Neuer-Higuain thing? Both are very different from one another, high foot is fault in any situation because it's dangerous, it can hurt a player. Neuer did a very defferent thing, he is a goalkeeper in first place, he is able to jump higher to hit or grab the ball, and sometimes when a keeper jumps higher to hit/grab a ball, he usually hits someone, but it isn't fault.
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Post by Manualex on Jul 13, 2014 22:55:18 GMT -5
He's the keeper, when you jump as a keeper you have to protect yourself, some keepers use their feet(see andujar) and others just lift up only to their knee, had it been outside the penalty area it should have been a red card. And I don't think there were a fault in this action by either Neuer or Higuain.
But this referee sucks and Masche and Aguero should've been sent off(and a german as well whose name slips by at the moment).
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Post by Manualex on Jul 13, 2014 22:59:42 GMT -5
It was his thigh that hitted Higuain, not his knee Look at the pic Eva posted. But it doesn't really matter, it's the same, hitting with thigh or knee on other player face is, at least, dangerous. is it dangerous? Yes, but that's the only way keepers can do to protect their bodies. Imagine if any striker could run over any keeper when he jumps in the air like that Ronaldo versus France without any consecuences to the striker. That could give an awful lot of injuries to keepers.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 14, 2014 1:44:09 GMT -5
Boring game, as usual for these occasions youre obvioulsy not german or argentinian because that was not a boring game...i cant believe even for the non-partisans it was boring?! Really? There was 1 goal in 120 minutes of football and no matter how much the commentators have tried to build it up, Gotze's goal wasn't all THAT good. I disagree with it being a goal 'that deserved to win the world cup' as was said numerous times on the coverage here in England. Again, it was alright, but nothing that took more skill than goals that fly in without much notice week in, week out in the EPL.
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 14, 2014 1:45:34 GMT -5
Congrats Germany, well played Argentina. Both temas got what they deserved.
Great to have the first ever European champion for the World Cup held in the South America. I'm proud for our Oranje with bronze. It went very quick, but a nice 4 weeks.
and if you're happy to make a fun of someone personally by making stupid comments on the internet and laughing loud to celebrate your fake "glory" against one certain team, nation, you're nothing, but scum. Wash your stupid mouth and learn to be mature.
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