Lundblad
Oasis Roadie
Nothing ever lasts forever
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Post by Lundblad on Jun 19, 2013 3:37:12 GMT -5
Stephen Thomas Erlewine, the ONLY music reviewer that I respect as a music reviewer, has posted his BE review on allmusic.com. www.allmusic.com/album/be-mw0002543365 4/5. I also notice that with the posting of the review, the rating of DGSS was changed - from 4 to 3,5. In the same way, his review of BHN was changed from 4,5 to 3,5, a while ago. So it seems that if the site feels that it has rated an album differently from "the crowd" of reviewers - they change it to not lose "street cred"? Perhaps not a big issue but it irritates me..
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crash
Oasis Roadie
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Post by crash on Jun 19, 2013 4:11:37 GMT -5
Like you, I respect Erlewine's opinion. In fact, he's one of the few American critics who pays the Gallaghers any respect.
I think AllMusic aims to be an historical database as much as a music criticism website. For this reason, their reviews tend to be muted in their tone and generally reflective of wider opinion.
It's a shame they've changed their rating, but I guess in their case, it's necessary for the purpose of their website.
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Post by manicsfan on Jun 19, 2013 6:12:30 GMT -5
I find Erlewine to be very smug but each to their own.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 19, 2013 8:12:13 GMT -5
I remember allmusic giving Coldplay's Parachutes 1 star when it first came out. They called them a Radiohead/Travis ripoff band. That was before the critical/commercial success. The rating was later changed to a 4 when Yellow exploded in America.
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Post by Bruno on Jun 19, 2013 8:18:39 GMT -5
I remember allmusic giving Coldplay's Parachutes 1 star when it first came out. They called them a Radiohead/Travis ripoff band. That was before the critical/commercial success. The rating was later changed to a 4 when Yellow exploded in America. That's hilarious. But on the other hand it's quite sad that they can't stand by their own opinions.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 19, 2013 8:25:46 GMT -5
I remember allmusic giving Coldplay's Parachutes 1 star when it first came out. They called them a Radiohead/Travis ripoff band. That was before the critical/commercial success. The rating was later changed to a 4 when Yellow exploded in America. That's hilarious. But on the other hand it's quite sad that they can't stand by their own opinions. They let the public and sales dictate ratings sometimes. Sorta like Rolling Stone magazine. That publication is better used as toilet paper than for rock reviews.
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Post by Bruno on Jun 19, 2013 8:32:03 GMT -5
That's hilarious. But on the other hand it's quite sad that they can't stand by their own opinions. They let the public and sales dictate ratings sometimes. Sorta like Rolling Stone magazine. That publication is better used as toilet paper than for rock reviews. Yeah you're right Rolling Stone is a joke. I've stopped reading their articles altogether.
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Post by Headmaster on Jun 19, 2013 9:47:25 GMT -5
Over the years he changed almost every Oasis albums rating, both MG and DM used to be 4,5 stars, BHN used to be 4 stars and DBTT used used to be 4,5 stars, outside of that DGSS now with 3,5 stars.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 19, 2013 9:49:25 GMT -5
Over the years he changed almost every Oasis albums rating, both MG and DM used to be 4,5 stars, BHN used to be 4 stars and DBTT used used to be 4,5 stars, outside of that DGSS now with 3,5 stars. Those sons of bitches!
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Post by Headmaster on Jun 19, 2013 10:15:00 GMT -5
Ah, I forgot FTM, which used to be 2,5 stars on AMG, now with 3,5.
I bet he will change Noel album rating too in the near future.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 19, 2013 10:28:43 GMT -5
Ah, I forgot FTM, which used to be 2,5 stars on AMG, now with 3,5. I bet he will change Noel album rating too in the near future. Yeah I thought Noel's debut was rated too low.
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Post by Headmaster on Jun 19, 2013 12:06:22 GMT -5
Ah, I forgot FTM, which used to be 2,5 stars on AMG, now with 3,5. I bet he will change Noel album rating too in the near future. Yeah I thought Noel's debut was rated too low. Maybe he will raise it up to 3,5 stars I think.
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Post by allingoodtime on Jun 19, 2013 14:08:45 GMT -5
How can you respect a website like that?
I'm sorry..but you either like an album or you don't, regardless of what others think.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 19, 2013 16:19:31 GMT -5
3.5 for DGSS is very, very generous I think.
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Post by shinpad on Jun 19, 2013 18:44:06 GMT -5
I wouldn't get worked up about them changing ratings - new people are constantly coming to the site, it's there forever, it's not a newspaper or magazine putting it in one edition. If they want to re-examine an album review and/or a rating in the ensuing years after a release, I don't see the problem.
I remember when DOYS came out a lot of fans praising it who a few years later shit on it. Opinions change and albums are viewed differently in different contexts.
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Post by matt on Jun 19, 2013 21:48:11 GMT -5
Say what you like, but allmusic generally get it spot on with Oasis. Sure, I think High Flying Birds is rated low in my opinion, but it's one of the safest music websites to go to, and it's great to see an American journal giving Oasis the praise they deserve. A bit erratic with the final scores, but the actual reviews tend to be spot on.
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Post by olesiadudnik on Jun 20, 2013 13:56:49 GMT -5
"Boo hoo hoo It's just not the rating I would've given it! boo hoo hoo Instead of reading and assimilating the writing that qualifies the rating, I will just go on ahead and complain about the rating"
'Dammit, if only that bloke on DrownedInSound.com would have qualify his 0/10 rating with a focused distillation of his discontent, rather than an inadequate spewing littered with half-assed epithets and amateur-hour vitriol, then just maybe I too can be justified, eh?
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 20, 2013 16:16:47 GMT -5
Whats wrong with re-evaluating a record? Its not weak to change your mind. My feelings about many albums have changed over a period of time. They are right to drop DGSS a little just like I understand them dropping BHN a bit to.
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Post by cloudburster on Jun 20, 2013 16:19:58 GMT -5
Why aren't reviewers allowed to change their opinion of a record? I do it all the time, something may sound great on first listen then get boring after a few listens or a few months, or something may sound average at first but actually be brilliant. Don't really see a problem with music reviewers doing it unless they're doing it to 'fit in' with the general public's perception of a record a la Morning Glory or Be Here Now.
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