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Post by Praetor on Aug 22, 2011 19:59:17 GMT -5
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Post by Praetor on Aug 22, 2011 20:00:53 GMT -5
Just to add, I see this is covered via the SUN, but read the comments for the NA perspectve
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 3:22:41 GMT -5
"I'd like to sue his mother for birthing him."
Seriously, don't waste your time reading these pathetic comments.
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Post by J.B on Aug 23, 2011 7:18:39 GMT -5
I don't care what a bunch of stupid Americans think to be honest.
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Post by lainie on Aug 23, 2011 7:48:13 GMT -5
^^ agreed. Whos bothered by what the yanks think?
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Post by yeayeayeah on Aug 23, 2011 17:23:44 GMT -5
it just gets on my nerves when people call them washed up
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Post by thuperthonic on Aug 23, 2011 17:45:22 GMT -5
People just spit out what the media tells them to think.
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Post by akara on Aug 23, 2011 18:45:27 GMT -5
I know some americans don't like their behaviour, but I'm shocked to see all the hate.
They usually get some "schtick" in the norwegian press, but people have a more "balanced" view on this.
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Post by letsmakebelieve on Aug 24, 2011 7:04:33 GMT -5
I live in the USA and I can tell you this much - Oasis was slated by the fans and press more for their antics than for their music. People here don't get their attitude...they'd rather embrace a bunch of friendly, good natured blokes. Like Jarvis Cocker sang, "'cause everybody hates a tourist..."
If Oasis had kissed up to the music industry over here, they would have been better appreciated and received the accolades they deserved.
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Aug 24, 2011 7:34:59 GMT -5
And let's be honest, suing your brother for an apology IS ridiculous and infantile. Yes, some of those comments are wildly disrespectful, but it's hard to spin this as a necessary thing for the courts to handle.
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Post by letsmakebelieve on Aug 24, 2011 7:43:14 GMT -5
What amazes me is how fickle fans in this country are. We praise bands when they're on top, yet kick sand in their face when are down. Oasis was hyped as a great rock band until the backlash came, then after BHN was released, almost brushed aside completely. One other thing that never helped their cause here was signing to Epic Records for six albums. Epic has always had a history of just letting go of a band once they don't surpass expectations. They would've been better off signing with a Warner label, or Polygram. If you do read those comments, there are several American ones that do "get it." You know the ones that I mean - the ones that praise the band, especially Noel's stellar songwriting. Kudos to them for thinking outside the box.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 24, 2011 11:17:44 GMT -5
What amazes me is how fickle fans in this country are. We praise bands when they're on top, yet kick sand in their face when are down. Oasis was hyped as a great rock band until the backlash came, then after BHN was released, almost brushed aside completely. One other thing that never helped their cause here was signing to Epic Records for six albums. Epic has always had a history of just letting go of a band once they don't surpass expectations. They would've been better off signing with a Warner label, or Polygram. If you do read those comments, there are several American ones that do "get it." You know the ones that I mean - the ones that praise the band, especially Noel's stellar songwriting. Kudos to them for thinking outside the box. I actually think the size of the US is another factor to consider - something which constantly gets overlooked in this debate. Because the UK is so small, it's really easy to unite the country. Just look how the UK centers around a single sport, compared to the US where there's not one that dominates. I think part of the Oasis comedown in the US has to do with the vastness of the country. It's huge and so much harder to keep the nation interested in a single item for a great lengths of time.....
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Post by gdforever on Aug 24, 2011 11:20:37 GMT -5
And let's be honest, suing your brother for an apology IS ridiculous and infantile. Yes, some of those comments are wildly disrespectful, but it's hard to spin this as a necessary thing for the courts to handle. Exactly. If all Liam wanted was for the world to know that he had a doctors note he could have released the doctors note the morning of the press conference or released a statement similar to the one he did a few days ago WITHOUT the associated lawsuit. Noel's opinion is exactly the same as it was...the only thing he has said that was that there was a note, whether he believes it or not, and that he's sorry that Liam was offended. This was lame and infantile and everyone looks like a more of a moron than they did in the beginning
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Aug 24, 2011 12:47:15 GMT -5
And let's be honest, suing your brother for an apology IS ridiculous and infantile. Yes, some of those comments are wildly disrespectful, but it's hard to spin this as a necessary thing for the courts to handle. Exactly. If all Liam wanted was for the world to know that he had a doctors note he could have released the doctors note the morning of the press conference or released a statement similar to the one he did a few days ago WITHOUT the associated lawsuit. Noel's opinion is exactly the same as it was...the only thing he has said that was that there was a note, whether he believes it or not, and that he's sorry that Liam was offended. This was lame and infantile and everyone looks like a more of a moron than they did in the beginning You can 100% guarantee Noel will not say anything inflammatory about Liam in the near future though. He'll be very careful about what he says and avoid anything that could be taken out of context, so its more preventative than the actual apology itself.
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Post by gdforever on Aug 24, 2011 13:01:52 GMT -5
Exactly. If all Liam wanted was for the world to know that he had a doctors note he could have released the doctors note the morning of the press conference or released a statement similar to the one he did a few days ago WITHOUT the associated lawsuit. Noel's opinion is exactly the same as it was...the only thing he has said that was that there was a note, whether he believes it or not, and that he's sorry that Liam was offended. This was lame and infantile and everyone looks like a more of a moron than they did in the beginning You can 100% guarantee Noel will not say anything inflammatory about Liam in the near future though. He'll be very careful about what he says and avoid anything that could be taken out of context, so its more preventative than the actual apology itself. I don't think it will actually be because of the lawsuit. He already said that the reason for the press conference was to not have to talk about it again and again and he was already referring people to youtube instead of answering the questions and that was even before the lawsuit. IMO, Liam hasn't accomplished anything other that reinforcing the extent to which the Gallaghers are twats to eachother Noel isn't going to talk about the events around the separation because he feels he has already dealt with it not because he isn afraid of Liam suing.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Aug 24, 2011 13:05:25 GMT -5
Its very naive to think that Noel will not have Liams recent actions in his mind and will probably choose his words more carefully in future about certain issues. Which is what Liam I would speculate, was aiming for.
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Post by gdforever on Aug 24, 2011 13:10:57 GMT -5
It just makes me laugh that when Noel doesn't mention the events of the split people like you two will be going on about the only reason that he doesn't do it is because he is afraid of Liam.
When in fact it was always planned that way. Noel just wasn't interested in going over it a million times like BDI did. It really was a genius solution and I think it's gonna work brilliantly.
I don't think this law suit has made much of a difference to Noel. I don't think he particularly likes talking about Liam if he can help it. Liam loves talking about Noel
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Post by dion on Aug 24, 2011 13:23:34 GMT -5
Noel has talked about Liam in virtually every single interview he has done, just like Liam has talked about Noel. They're brothers, as long as they're in the public eye they're going to be talking about each other.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Aug 24, 2011 13:23:44 GMT -5
It just makes me laugh that when Noel doesn't mention the events of the split people like you two will be going on about the only reason that he doesn't do it is because he is afraid of Liam. When in fact it was always planned that way. Noel just wasn't interested in going over it a million times like BDI did. It really was a genius solution and I think it's gonna work brilliantly. I don't think this law suit has made much of a difference to Noel. I don't think he particularly likes talking about Liam if he can help it. Liam loves talking about Noel Thats not what I'm saying at all though. I've never once said that Noel is/will be scared of Liam, or that he'll avoid talking about the split purely because of the writ. You're putting words into my mouth there. I just think he'll choose his words very carefully in the future so as not to inflame the situation. You saw it in the webchat the other night where he took a moment to compose himself before speaking about it. He may not be taking direct questions about the split, but I think its very naive to think that the "Liam" subject won't crop up in the future. Its bound to as its current affairs - "Liam says X is his favourite Oasis song, what do you think of that," "What do you think of Liam's feud with Y", etc. All I'm saying is that where in the past he might have had a dig, I think he'll now choose his words more carefully.
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Post by gdforever on Aug 24, 2011 13:30:16 GMT -5
I mean about the split. Noel hasn't talked about Liam in the context of the split since the press conference. He has been asked about it once and he referred the listeners to YouTube. he has also been holding back from talking about BDI in any way.
Noel has certainly talked about Liam. I meant that Liam and co. have spent a lot of time the past year talking about that last year in Oasis. I don't think that Noel is going to. That's all.
What I am kind of referring to is that I had read several interview by Liam where the interviewer expressed surprise that Liam brought up Noel and the split before the interviewer had even asked a question about him/it. I only mean that I don't think that there are going to be instances of that with Noel. I think Noel will bring up Oasis and Liam in the context of it but I don't think that he will bring up Liam in the context of the split or where they are now on his own.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Aug 24, 2011 13:34:37 GMT -5
I wasn't necessarily talking about the spilt but you seem to be obsessed with that and Noel's 'genius' idea, but if you think he's never going to talk about those events EVER again then you are mad. Can just imagine it in his auto biography
Chapter 15: The Demise of Oasis
>>>>See Youtube.
I happen to think that it is something of both though, he doesn't want to talk about Liam but knows if he does Liam is perfectly willing to act. Fact is Liam has talked about Noel imo because he hasn't had a voice in the matter for a long time, imagine being in a position where many people's opinion of you is formed by your brothers words. You'd have a go when you were given the chance wouldn't you?
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Post by gdforever on Aug 24, 2011 13:49:34 GMT -5
I'm not saying ever. I'm saying during this promo. And Noel is so far from an autobiography as to make that point irrelevant.
I am not going into why I think that Liam was so insistent on banging on about Noel all year and letting so much of his promotional time being devoted to the split. It's irrelevant. I don't think Noel was ever intending to talk about the split or his opinions on BDI as Liam was.
I doubt he'll even make any value judgements on BDI even though Liam felt free on multiple occassions to place value judgements of Noel's future career despite having not heard the album.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Aug 24, 2011 14:04:44 GMT -5
Well the autobiograhpy was an extreme example but like you say until this promo is done. So not that long probably. Liam was asked questions about it and he answered them, I for one appreciate that he did, its not like it prevented him talking about BDI. Stuff about Noel didn't take that much of it up tbh. Are we just going to say anything you don't want to comment on is irrelevant?
I would have thought that Liam, Andy or Gem have heard a significant amount of Noels album in one form or another.
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Post by gdforever on Aug 24, 2011 14:11:09 GMT -5
I mean and said that Liam brought up Noel before asked. And he did.
And the insults of Noel's music were uncalled for. And if Noel starts insulting BDI's music I'll be very annoyed. As annoyed as I am when Liam insulted Noel without having heard the record except and few tunes in demo for maybe.
I am just glad that these aren't going to be interviews half about the split and unflattering comments about Liam. That's all.
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Post by kimallenbewick on Aug 24, 2011 17:58:19 GMT -5
What do you expect from a place where Justin Bieber, Selena Gomez, Kesha, etc are number one? I bet there are more people watching Keeping Up with the Kardashians than people watching the news.. well, anywhere actually.
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