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Post by WHATEVER on Jul 12, 2011 19:09:46 GMT -5
So lets just say this album is outstanding. What are the chances he is successful in America
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Post by deasy on Jul 12, 2011 19:10:46 GMT -5
Pretty much 0.  |
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Post by WHATEVER on Jul 12, 2011 19:37:19 GMT -5
It is a shame but you are right
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Post by CFC2013 on Jul 12, 2011 20:46:56 GMT -5
Maybe the AKA track will feature Kid Cudi and we all go home happy.
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Post by WHATEVER on Jul 12, 2011 20:51:21 GMT -5
who's kid cudi
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Post by CFC2013 on Jul 12, 2011 21:18:31 GMT -5
No clue.
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Post by manualex on Jul 12, 2011 21:19:53 GMT -5
A rapper...
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Post by AKA... Frozen Eggroll on Jul 12, 2011 21:33:55 GMT -5
Not good. Most Americans don't even know who Noel is, especially these days. And if they do recognize him, they usually think it's Liam... so fuck it.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 12, 2011 22:26:01 GMT -5
In the words of William John Paul Gallagher:
"It's not about selling records...It's about being real."
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Post by Praetor on Jul 13, 2011 16:48:10 GMT -5
Never understood why Oasis didn't really pick up in the US. Seems the only songs they've heard are Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova.
Any takers on the reason? Their obsession with grunge?
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Post by lookingtothesky on Jul 13, 2011 16:59:52 GMT -5
I live in America. I don't think Noel has a chance of making it big here. This country is too dumb to enjoy him. The music scene over here is far too fucked to appreciate anything I consider valuable. America considers the performance over the music, which is why 'musicians' like Lady Gaga are huge. Plus, we like spectacles. If Noel castrated himself and got the surgery for woman parts, his album would definitely get number one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 17:03:04 GMT -5
Nope, but who cares? Plenty of amazing albums get ignored every day. Listen to it, buy it, enjoy it, and go out and see it live if you can. That's success.
And really, to be fair, mainstream British music is just as dreadful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 17:07:01 GMT -5
I reckon Lookingtothesky has it bang on. Noel isn't a performer and therefore the general audience probably won't ever have the chance to hear his music. Its a shame, but at the end of the day its us the fans who he wants to enjoy his music..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 17:09:18 GMT -5
Ain't nothing wrong with being a performer if you're damn good at it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 18:55:43 GMT -5
He didn't say there was. :/ If that's part of people's "thing" then they should do that, if that's what their fans want and they're happy to get up and sing and dance full of energy then that's great and those people have to be given the respect they deserve for giving their all to what they do and entertaining people. On the other hand we have Noel and Liam who are somehow magnetic, maybe it's just being a fan that makes me feel that but I always feel drawn to watching them even if their just standing or sitting still because, like the aforementioned performers, they're giving their all for their fans.  |
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Post by WHATEVER on Jul 13, 2011 20:20:34 GMT -5
Never understood why Oasis didn't really pick up in the US. Seems the only songs they've heard are Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova. Any takers on the reason? Their obsession with grunge? When I was in jr high I traded my brothers Todies cd for (What's The Story) Morning Glory. They thought I was crazy, I still don't understand |
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Post by Rifles on Jul 13, 2011 20:36:05 GMT -5
Never understood why Oasis didn't really pick up in the US. Seems the only songs they've heard are Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova. Any takers on the reason? Their obsession with grunge? They were pretty damn big around Wonderwall and CS. They had MTV specials and all that. I was 13-14 at the time and everyone knew those 2 songs and a lot of people bought the album. There were a few things working against them. - 1. Their arrogance was a big one. The American public doesn't like over-confidence.
- 2. They were constantly compared to the Beatles and there was a stupid "British Invasion 2.0" thing going on, so instead of just being a band, they were a foreign band.
- 3. They cancelled their US tour and it was painted as a slap in the face to the US.
It was a typical "build them up and knock them down" situation. Oasis were painted as the villain, but since they were "foreigners" and didn't seem to care what anyone thought, no one ever cared to cover or facilitate their redemption. It was doomed from the start trying to recreate Beatlemania. It was made out like they were coming to conquer the US or something, so when the media turned on them everyone just sort of laughed them off and it became a joke. That's why so many Americans use them as a punchline. They see them as outsiders and over the years no one in the media has ever told them Oasis were cool again. They remain that band who thought they were the shit but disappeared. |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 13, 2011 20:42:00 GMT -5
It would have to take Noel releasing a Wonderwall type song, which has almost no chance of happening. Not saying that it's not possible for him to succeed, but he would have to have some type of a big single. And when I say big, I don't necessarily mean charting on the Hot 100. But charting really well on the Rock charts.
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Post by CFC2013 on Jul 13, 2011 20:50:12 GMT -5
Why are the likes of Justin Bieber, Lil' Wayne, Kid Cudi, Jay-Z, etc so big then?
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Post by Rifles on Jul 13, 2011 21:07:09 GMT -5
Why are the likes of Justin Bieber, Lil' Wayne, Kid Cudi, Jay-Z, etc so big then? Fair point, although I don't think Justin Bieber exudes arrogance in public. He's always thanking God and smiling and shit. Rappers are an interesting case. Back when Oasis were big, rap was on the upswing and it wasn't really about flashy cars and all that stuff yet. That whole culture is about celebrating excess and it's weirdly accepted and seen as a good thing. If I had to give my opinion of why Oasis' arrogance is used against them, I guess I'd have to say it was the way they went about it. In a lot of the old interviews they just had that cockiness that came off like they're better than everyone. Rappers brag in their songs but it's more a celebratory thing than a "i think i'm better than you". I dunno, it's just a different vibe. Is it a double standard? Absolutely, but I can see how Oasis' arrogance would be perceived differently. EDIT- also, in MOST cases stars and musicians are pretty cordial in interviews. Oasis were known back in the day for being aloof and unpredictable. They didn't smile in a lot interviews etc. They just never played the game so people naturally thought they were assholes. I guarantee if people cared to watch any recent interviews with them they'd have a totally different opinion. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 13, 2011 21:25:47 GMT -5
There were a few things working against them. - 1. Their arrogance was a big one. The American public doesn't like over-confidence.
- 2. They were constantly compared to the Beatles and there was a stupid "British Invasion 2.0" thing going on, so instead of just being a band, they were a foreign band.
- 3. They cancelled their US tour and it was painted as a slap in the face to the US.
i would add one more..... 4. Liam spitting on the stage at the 1996 Mtv music awards. i think that was the stake to the heart, after that america had enough. though, i thought it was one the coolest things i've ever seen. |
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Post by CFC2013 on Jul 13, 2011 21:37:47 GMT -5
I just don't Americans ever understood the philosophy of Oasis. You have to have a certain mindset, or adopt it. Alot of Musicians are rude like Liam was, and they are fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 22:28:33 GMT -5
He didn't say there was. :/ If that's part of people's "thing" then they should do that, if that's what their fans want and they're happy to get up and sing and dance full of energy then that's great and those people have to be given the respect they deserve for giving their all to what they do and entertaining people. On the other hand we have Noel and Liam who are somehow magnetic, maybe it's just being a fan that makes me feel that but I always feel drawn to watching them even if their just standing or sitting still because, like the aforementioned performers, they're giving their all for their fans. I didn't say he said that! I agree with you, but unfortunately not a lot of people do (especially people here who, I feel, unfairly shit on a lot of acts) which why I felt the need to post that! And, I feel like a lot of the problem, is that the Liam and Noel's rudeness is well known and reported on. Paul McCartney and John Lennon were huge fucks to each other, but it's not really a side that was widely reported on. |
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Post by Praetor on Jul 14, 2011 7:27:31 GMT -5
But they were! If find that cockiness funny, I don't think it's genuine cockiness...well, maybe to a degree, but a lot of it is tongue in cheek too. I think Parthian was right about requiring a certain personality or understanding to "get them". And that is VERY difficult to explain. |
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Post by thuperthonic on Jul 14, 2011 13:49:32 GMT -5
I just don't Americans ever understood the philosophy of Oasis. You have to have a certain mindset, or adopt it. Alot of Musicians are rude like Liam was, and they are fine. This. |
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