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Post by ponydigger9 on Jul 2, 2011 20:48:13 GMT -5
I don't know about you all, but I find it EXTREMELY hard to listen to any performance from the DBTT tour anymore. Compared to now, Liam's voice is just terrible, probably the worst it ever was during that tour. If you aren't a fan of Liam's current voice, just go listen to a performance from the DBTT tour and you'll be begging for any Beady Eye show.
There are a few gems from the DBTT days, but most of the shows Liam just sounded deplorable. I'm glad he's sounding quite good again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2011 21:22:37 GMT -5
Well it doesn't sound that bad compared to the DOYS tour...
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Post by 11stayyoung on Jul 2, 2011 21:47:37 GMT -5
on both tour he sounded horrible and I hate the fact that he's now working hard to make it work out with beady eye while he never gave a shit about oasis and just did what he wanted to
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Post by BlueJay on Jul 2, 2011 22:12:20 GMT -5
I agree completely, the HC tour was the last great Oasis tour. DBTT and DOYS tours are beyond unlistenable, except when Noel sings of course, or when the crowd sings for Liam (like in Brazil).
^I don't that he didnt give a shit about Oasis, they were as much his songs as they were Noel's and he'll always have a special place for them. Who would voluntarily not sing a song properly in front of thousands of people? You want to show them how good you are.
I think that Oasis songs did not suit his ageing voice anymore, they became too hard for him to sing. Most of the early songs are too high for his voice now and songs like CS and RnRS have those kind of meandering dynamics that he can no longer keep up with. You'll notice that most if not all of Beady Eye's songs are easy to sing and kept within a median vocal range - not too high and not too low. This is a good thing because it's suits Liam's ageing voice. I'd much rather have him sing medium key songs properly rather than murdering high key songs like Slide Away and CS - they both sounded beyond unlistenable on the DOYS tour.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2011 23:16:58 GMT -5
^Median range may suit Liam's voice, but it leaves the majority of the song lacking something, namely dynamics.
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Post by 11stayyoung on Jul 2, 2011 23:24:36 GMT -5
I agree with you completely when it comes to songs like CS,RnRS,SA but he also ruined songs like supersonic or SCYHO and it's not only the live songs even album versions like KTDA and TYFTGT sounded terrible but he sang TBGO amazingly both recorded and live at least to me it's obvious that he's taking care and concerning more on his voice more than what he did in oasis
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Post by Swarfiga on Jul 3, 2011 4:37:50 GMT -5
I can listen to V-Festival, Tweeter Center Boston, Alcatraz Milan and the Manchester Stadium gigs, and really enjoy it. But I agree that he sounds better now, on the Beady Eye tour. But those gig that I mention are really great, in my opinion.
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Post by ponydigger9 on Jul 3, 2011 5:29:41 GMT -5
I think the DOYS Liam had a better voice than DBTT Liam most of the time. It had more great shows voice wise than DBTT did. Just listen to The Hollywood Bowl performance from 2005 (or even worse the Buenos Aires show). The shows from DOYS NEVER got that bad.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jul 3, 2011 5:45:06 GMT -5
I think he sounds decent at the Eastl**ds gig. That was probably their best gig they did during the twilight of their Oasis time, most songs besides Lyla sound good
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Post by LlAM on Jul 3, 2011 6:26:33 GMT -5
DBTT and DOYS tours were shit bar very few shows. Liams vocals were horrible and the band were boring as fuck. Noel quitting was the best thing that could happen in my opinion.
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Post by oneeye on Jul 3, 2011 7:46:51 GMT -5
the tours in the end were just too big, they've always done biggish tours but not compared to the dbtt and doys.
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Post by pheel on Jul 3, 2011 11:33:23 GMT -5
It all started going downhill vocal wise for Liam during the Be Here Now Tour. He was probably so high and smashed all the time he didn't realize he was shredding his vocal chords by screaming on pitch half the time. In all fairness, some of Liam's 2005 vocals sound pretty good, but on that tour he lost his breath control, and his words would get really garbled. It all has to do with his technique, its a combination of factors really.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 3, 2011 11:46:57 GMT -5
It's a strange one. I have no idea why Liam impersonated Kermit during 2005, but was consistently decent, and even very good (iTunes Festival 2009) during the DOYS tour a few years later. The mind boggles.
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 3, 2011 13:18:12 GMT -5
Well it doesn't sound that bad compared to the DOYS tour... Itunes was an exception, he sounded great on that day.
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Post by oneeye on Jul 3, 2011 13:23:13 GMT -5
It all started going downhill vocal wise for Liam during the Be Here Now Tour. He was probably so high and smashed all the time he didn't realize he was shredding his vocal chords by screaming on pitch half the time. In all fairness, some of Liam's 2005 vocals sound pretty good, but on that tour he lost his breath control, and his words would get really garbled. It all has to do with his technique, its a combination of factors really. that's definitely when it started, well in the studio for the recording of BHN. You can hear in some of those songs where he's hitting the notes but almost shouting. towards the end of 2002/3 also where his vocals were off
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Post by J.B on Jul 3, 2011 14:15:31 GMT -5
DBTT and the first half of the DOYS tour were dreadful.
The summer leg of the DOYS tour he was better and the performances are listenable.
Beady Eye live sounds great. Just wish we could hear some of the Oasis classics now that he couldn't quite get right before.
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Post by MacaRonic on Jul 3, 2011 14:23:46 GMT -5
When his vocals were bad on the DBTT tour I could listen to him because he was still in key. It was a great tour for the band and they obviously enjoyed probably more than previous tours.
When he voice was bad on the DOYS tour it was completely unlistenable which was mostly in late '08/ early '09. IMO this was when his vocal tone was at it's worst ever. It improved as the tour went on and by the festivals [Melt/iTunes] it was acceptable with some great performances like 'CS' at the iTunes Festival.
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Post by pheel on Jul 3, 2011 18:25:18 GMT -5
^That performance of CS is amazing considering its from '09!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 3, 2011 18:33:43 GMT -5
Well it doesn't sound that bad compared to the DOYS tour... Itunes was an exception, he sounded great on that day. I think high best performances in 2005 eclipse his best in 2009 (apart from iTunes Festival). However, he never sunk to the lows of 2005 in 2009. Basically, he was much more consistent during the DOYS tour, I feel. That being said, that CS clip above from the iTunes Fest 2009 IS Liam's best vocals since the 1990s. I used to qualify that statement more by saying best since the 2002 time frame, but after more than several listens, I think that performance stands up with his very best. Seriously, don't look at the date and close your eyes - tell me that doesn't sound like mid to late 90s Liam?
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Post by pheel on Jul 3, 2011 18:44:52 GMT -5
Yeah he does sound quite good, its a shame he didn't try that hard on songs like wonderwall. Being the song that a lot of casual fans wanna hear, he could've tried harder to hold the notes! Hes been cutting the words short for that song for the better part of a decade.
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Post by MacaRonic on Jul 3, 2011 18:47:56 GMT -5
All this being said, when you listen to him now his vocals blow the last two tours away. He was awesome again at Rock Werchter. I'd love to hear him sing Live Forever now, just to see how he'd get on.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 3, 2011 19:10:16 GMT -5
All this being said, when you listen to him now his vocals blow the last two tours away. He was awesome again at Rock Werchter. I'd love to hear him sing Live Forever now, just to see how he'd get on. Agreed. That Wigwam performance on Letterman was beyond stunning. I don't think he didn't try with Oasis towards the end. I don't believe that for one second. And I don't think it's jogging and limiting booze and cigs - the effects wouldn't be that drastic nor that immediate. But clearly he has done something. Is it just a case of BDI writing tunes that fit more with his current ability? Did he get outside help from a couch? Did he have surgery for the alleged rumor of nodules? - I think if it was the latter two, some journalist would have eventually found out..... I guess the only real test would be for him to sing Oasis songs live. But that'll never happen, so let's just embrace this purple patch while it lasts!
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 3, 2011 20:36:33 GMT -5
Just close your eyes and listen to these, you will feel like you are in the 90's.
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Post by Rolo on Jul 4, 2011 7:48:48 GMT -5
That performance was amazing, he sounded spot on.
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Post by Swarfiga on Jul 4, 2011 9:57:45 GMT -5
All this being said, when you listen to him now his vocals blow the last two tours away. He was awesome again at Rock Werchter. I'd love to hear him sing Live Forever now, just to see how he'd get on. Agreed. That Wigwam performance on Letterman was beyond stunning. I don't think he didn't try with Oasis towards the end. I don't believe that for one second. And I don't think it's jogging and limiting booze and cigs - the effects wouldn't be that drastic nor that immediate. But clearly he has done something. Is it just a case of BDI writing tunes that fit more with his current ability? Did he get outside help from a couch? Did he have surgery for the alleged rumor of nodules? - I think if it was the latter two, some journalist would have eventually found out..... I guess the only real test would be for him to sing Oasis songs live. But that'll never happen, so let's just embrace this purple patch while it lasts! Jogging or running, whatever you wanna call it, is one of the best things to do regularly if you're singer. That's what I heard anyway. And I'm a singer myself.
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