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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 18, 2011 18:40:50 GMT -5
It's a very weak argument. Peoples voices don't rise as they get older generally. They tend to get lower. Look @ Liam...THAT is how someone loses their voice with age. Even @ his best his vocal range has noticeably decreased...most noticeably on his upper register...and you can tell because we can all hear the strain in his voice. If he is changing the keys it because he is either bored and is switching it up slightly or he likes them better than way. And in the case of the originally Liam sung tunes...those original keys were chosen to cater to his voice @ the time. Every singer has keys that he prefers to sing in so it doesn't surprise me that Noel should change the key for his versions. Maybe Noel's vocal preferences have even changed. When he originally recorded DLBIA and The MASTERPLAN he was pretty amateurish with the use of his own voice...he may not have even have picked the keys that actually best suit his voice since I am not convinced he knew his voice that well. I think he just got to know his voice a lot better around 2005-2006 when he started practicing and performing the acoustic shows that he really started understanding what his voice could do and when it sounds and feels best. I have never heard anyone say before "when obviously so and so is losing his voice...he's singing to much in falsetto." I am give to understand falsetto isn't the easiest thing to do vocally. And it's certainly not the fallback plan for a failing voice. What exactly is it that makes you think he is incapable of singing lower. Does he sound strained on the lower notes indicating that he can't go any lower? I don't think so. Basically you are saying Noel can't get any power out of his voice because of performances on 1 tour over the span of a year where he had a broken ribs for the majority? This is a laughable thread. Not only is this young lady spot on with all of her posts on this forum, but she also is incredibly bright, insightful, and very articulate. GD, have you ever received a marriage proposal via this forum? If not, you are coming dangerously close to being offered one in the near future by yours truly. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) What's that you say? Get out my way. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png)
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Post by Les Grossman on Mar 18, 2011 19:59:46 GMT -5
Not only is this young lady spot on with all of her posts on this forum, but she also is incredibly bright, insightful, and very articulate. GD, have you ever received a marriage proposal via this forum? If not, you are coming dangerously close to being offered one in the near future by yours truly. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) What's that you say? Get out my way. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) you need to make your move, stupid. oasis dorks like you blow a nut over gdforever's posts.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Mar 18, 2011 22:29:18 GMT -5
i have to call bullshit here. Noel's vocal strength is there and his vocal performances have gotten better. he's obviously a better singer than Liam, he just doesn't have better voice like he himself has admitted in the past.
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Mar 19, 2011 2:32:11 GMT -5
He's still maturing as a singer imo. Like gdforever pointed out singers usually don't get better as they get older, it's the vise versa. So I am assuming that the only way to explain the situation is focusing on his frequent attempts at things he's never done before (the positive aspect of Oasis that NL4E favors); it helps him to acquire experience.
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Post by martinpaul on Mar 23, 2011 13:53:46 GMT -5
Like I've said before, he's no Neil Young or Paul Weller that's for sure And we (Noel worshipers) have god to thank for that. I know this site can turn into a Noel wankfest but lets get serious here, Weller is as revered and current today as he was in 77, there is no chance of Noel doing albums like 22 Dreams and WUTN back to back. Neil Young is phenomenal - to release an album like Le Noise 50 odd years into a recording career is unparralled while Live at Massey Hall is the best live album of its type released. Weller and Young write/wrote songs that had a social conscience - Tube Station, Eton Rifles, Bring the torch burn the plans, Southern Man, Ohio etc.... As things stand right now in 20 years Noel will be remembered for LF and DLBIA - 2 songs. Ask 100 Oasis fans for their favourite Noel Gallagher song and that is what the vast majority would say. Ask 100 PW and NY fans the same questions about their respective favourite songs and you'd get a minimum of 10 or 15 songs for both PW and NY. Noel isn't fit to discussed in the same breath as those 2 at the moment. In 10 years time maybe but absolutely no way right now
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Post by shoes222 on Mar 23, 2011 14:05:14 GMT -5
I think you need to give Noel a bit more credit than that...even among "casual" Oasis fans and people who aren't that into Oasis, if you asked them to name their favorite Oasis song you'd get a wide range of responses like Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova, Slide Away, Acquiesce, Some Might Say, Morning Glory, Supersonic, Go Let it Out, and The Importance of Being Idle...just to name a few. Obviously the real test of time, history standing songs were skewed towards the early part of Noel's songwriting career, but it certainly adds up to more than two songs.
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Post by spyrosfab4 on Mar 23, 2011 14:09:22 GMT -5
The thing that always annoyed me about noel,is that he never used his fame for something more substantial than ''just fookin' rock and roll''...i don't mean ''give peace a chance'' kind of songs,but something a bit more scathing and relevant to what's happening...
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Mar 23, 2011 14:23:26 GMT -5
I'm actually rather glad he never tried to be more than a rock star. I don't think people care too much about messages in most songs anyway, and Noel is not the type of guy who would turn into a hippie or start telling people which party to vote for. And martinpaul, I don't think Noel's story is over yet. As you said, many of the great ones released phenomenal albums in their later years, so give Noel a chance. And if what he does from now on is mediocre, I still think his work so far is more than LF and DLBIA - you're underestimating him there. And I'm sure if you start asking people on the street most would say Wonderwall is their favorite.
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Post by shoes222 on Mar 23, 2011 14:30:21 GMT -5
Ironically that's what I like that about his songs. His songs will still be relevant no matter who listens to it because they're not about specific people or specific time periods.
While we're on the subject of Noel's songwriting, (which is not what this thread is about)...Noel is a very introspective songwriter. He writes about his own internal thoughts and feelings and his philosophies about life, instead of being extrospective and writing about the events that occur around him. Introspective is the kind of songwriting I prefer.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 23, 2011 15:18:41 GMT -5
I agree with the others on this thread that appreciate that Noel never tried to put large political issues into his music. It's NEVER been something that turned me on about music. Because 9 times for ten by the time people start getting to that point they are already successful and are writing about things that they haven't experienced. They start doing it because they can be at peace with the fact that their lifes work isn't of enormous global significance so they try to DO something with their music to assuage that need to feel as if they are doing something worthwhile.
I like that Noel realises his place in the world of providing entertainment. He doesn't feel the need to dress it up by saying anything about, "After you listen to this album you should really begin to question your place in the world or the situation in (insert troubled third world country here)"
I think it is a bit of egotism that makes rock stars think that any of those benefits that they throw serve no significant purpose other than to raise money for worthy charities.
I like some of the music by people that have political messages in their music...but I always think that they sound incredibly pretentious I hear them talking about it. I like the song for the songs sake.
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Post by thuperthonic on Mar 23, 2011 15:25:30 GMT -5
Cigarettes & Alcohol.
Up In The Sky.
I Can See A Liar.
All are vaguely political.
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Post by shedboy on Mar 23, 2011 15:37:17 GMT -5
Those who say Noel is weak at singing with a full electric band behind him just listen to this...
That version is fucking amazing.
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Post by songbirdsally on Mar 23, 2011 16:12:11 GMT -5
^ and this :
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Post by martinpaul on Mar 24, 2011 4:46:47 GMT -5
I missed off Wonderwall from my previous post, my bad. That makes 3 songs that might stand the test of time. No music outlet either tv, radio, internet etc... play Champagne Supernova, Slide Away, Acquiesce, Some Might Say, Morning Glory, Supersonic, Go Let it Out, and The Importance of Being Idle etc... anymore Listen I am/was a massive fan. I was at Glastonbury in 94 when they played the NME stage on the Sunday inbetween Chumbawumba and Credit to the Nation, went to every tour, the Be Here Now period is my personal favourite as the B sides were amazing but the reality of it is (with the benefit of hindsight) that you could make 1 great album from ALL the Oasis albums released after MG. BHN, SOTSOG, HC, DBTT and DOYS are average records with a couple of stand out tracks, Noel being the main songwriter and the person who chose what songs made it on to the record and the tracklisting carries the blame for that
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Post by Les Grossman on Mar 24, 2011 5:16:34 GMT -5
I missed off Wonderwall from my previous post, my bad. That makes 3 songs that might stand the test of time. No music outlet either tv, radio, internet etc... play Champagne Supernova, Slide Away, Acquiesce, Some Might Say, Morning Glory, Supersonic, Go Let it Out, and The Importance of Being Idle etc... anymore Listen I am/was a massive fan. I was at Glastonbury in 94 when they played the NME stage on the Sunday inbetween Chumbawumba and Credit to the Nation, went to every tour, the Be Here Now period is my personal favourite as the B sides were amazing but the reality of it is (with the benefit of hindsight) that you could make 1 great album from ALL the Oasis albums released after MG. BHN, SOTSOG, HC, DBTT and DOYS are average records with a couple of stand out tracks, Noel being the main songwriter and the person who chose what songs made it on to the record and the tracklisting carries the blame for that Champagne Supernova, Wonderwall, and Don't Look Back in Anger are played on american radio all the time. followed by Live Forever.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 24, 2011 7:09:33 GMT -5
I missed off Wonderwall from my previous post, my bad. That makes 3 songs that might stand the test of time. No music outlet either tv, radio, internet etc... play Champagne Supernova, Slide Away, Acquiesce, Some Might Say, Morning Glory, Supersonic, Go Let it Out, and The Importance of Being Idle etc... anymore Listen I am/was a massive fan. I was at Glastonbury in 94 when they played the NME stage on the Sunday inbetween Chumbawumba and Credit to the Nation, went to every tour, the Be Here Now period is my personal favourite as the B sides were amazing but the reality of it is (with the benefit of hindsight) that you could make 1 great album from ALL the Oasis albums released after MG. BHN, SOTSOG, HC, DBTT and DOYS are average records with a couple of stand out tracks, Noel being the main songwriter and the person who chose what songs made it on to the record and the tracklisting carries the blame for that I hear Oasis more often than I hear Weller in my neck of the woods. Musical exposure doesn't mean that much. And as everyone else says. Noel isn't over yet.
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Post by shoes222 on Mar 24, 2011 9:01:05 GMT -5
I was listening to an FM Rock station the other day...and to my surprise I heard ALL AROUND THE WORLD (Radio Edit). So yes, Oasis still does get airplay occasionally. Heard Shock of the Lightning another day as well.
Have not heard a single Weller song played on the radio here in the States in the past three years.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 24, 2011 11:14:48 GMT -5
I missed off Wonderwall from my previous post, my bad. That makes 3 songs that might stand the test of time. No music outlet either tv, radio, internet etc... play Champagne Supernova, Slide Away, Acquiesce, Some Might Say, Morning Glory, Supersonic, Go Let it Out, and The Importance of Being Idle etc... anymore Listen I am/was a massive fan. I was at Glastonbury in 94 when they played the NME stage on the Sunday inbetween Chumbawumba and Credit to the Nation, went to every tour, the Be Here Now period is my personal favourite as the B sides were amazing but the reality of it is (with the benefit of hindsight) that you could make 1 great album from ALL the Oasis albums released after MG. BHN, SOTSOG, HC, DBTT and DOYS are average records with a couple of stand out tracks, Noel being the main songwriter and the person who chose what songs made it on to the record and the tracklisting carries the blame for that Are you kidding me? ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) CS, Live Forever, Wonderwall, and DLBIA get solid airplay, and that's in the US alone. TSOTL sometimes still gets played, too. TIOBI gets spins in the UK, and has appeared on TV Shows like Gavin and Stacey.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 24, 2011 11:16:47 GMT -5
I missed off Wonderwall from my previous post, my bad. That makes 3 songs that might stand the test of time. No music outlet either tv, radio, internet etc... play Champagne Supernova, Slide Away, Acquiesce, Some Might Say, Morning Glory, Supersonic, Go Let it Out, and The Importance of Being Idle etc... anymore Listen I am/was a massive fan. I was at Glastonbury in 94 when they played the NME stage on the Sunday inbetween Chumbawumba and Credit to the Nation, went to every tour, the Be Here Now period is my personal favourite as the B sides were amazing but the reality of it is (with the benefit of hindsight) that you could make 1 great album from ALL the Oasis albums released after MG. BHN, SOTSOG, HC, DBTT and DOYS are average records with a couple of stand out tracks, Noel being the main songwriter and the person who chose what songs made it on to the record and the tracklisting carries the blame for that I hear Oasis more often than I hear Weller in my neck of the woods. Musical exposure doesn't mean that much. And as everyone else says. Noel isn't over yet. Exactly. Americans don't even know who Paul Weller is, let alone play his music. Same can be said regarding The Smiths (+ Moressiey), The Stone Roses (+ Ian Brown), etc
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Post by martinpaul on Mar 24, 2011 12:13:01 GMT -5
Maybe I should have clarified UK rather than USA, as many have said time will tell, I've no doubt that Noel's 1st solo album will be a commercial success (here in the Uk) after that who knows, personally I think people will tire of waiting 4 years to hear exactly the same sounding songs......... the main argument against Oasis was they didn't pick up new fans by the bucket load after each new album but relied on the hardcore fans because every album sounded the same
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Post by bdiplayer on Mar 24, 2011 13:00:05 GMT -5
Noel is not a brilliant singer, but neither was/is Sinatra, Lydon, Jagger, Sting, Rod Stewart, Al Jolson [!] and many more.
However, what sets these dudes apart is their sheer individuality: they are instantly recognizable, and can be confused with no-one else.
Noel is about as good a singer as Ringo was in the Beatles, good enough to get a tune across, but that's about the size of it. Noel sounds best on What's the Story-era, especially on 'Don't look back in Anger'. I'm glad it's him and not Liam taking lead vocal on that song, although Liam was understandably miffed.
Noel is about as competent as Steve Jones of the Pistols on lead voxe: a competent bawler, and great as chorus back-up, but that's about it. But it fitted Oasis' persona perfectly, and that's all that really matters.
However, they are his songs and he can record them as he sees fit and pleases.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 24, 2011 13:04:59 GMT -5
Noel is not bawler...that is all.
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Post by bdiplayer on Mar 24, 2011 13:23:35 GMT -5
Nowt wrong with being a bawler, GD; Noddy Holder of Slade was maybe the ultimate bawler in Rock/Pop, but they had 6 number ones in the days when sales of singles were in the Millions.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 24, 2011 13:50:19 GMT -5
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. I said Noel isn't a bawler.
I don't think bawls out the vocal on either FD or TIOBI...which are 2 of my fave Noel vocals. Maybe he used to be...but he hasn't been for years
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 24, 2011 17:22:32 GMT -5
the main argument against Oasis was they didn't pick up new fans by the bucket load after each new album but relied on the hardcore fans because every album sounded the same That's not even remotely true. Ever since 2005's DBTT, Noel has acknowledged that the people at gigs are getting younger, meaning that the fan base is growing. In fact, DBTT saw a resurgence in popularity with Oasis (which means outside of the original fan base). And polls even on this forum show that a lot of members became fans during the DBTT era. Keep fighting the good fight, but use facts next time. For some odd reason you're not speaking any truth.
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