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Post by wankinginthebushes on Mar 11, 2010 14:08:24 GMT -5
Everyone's been chatting about this lately so thought id ask here.
Should we know what he's done? Would it make much difference?
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Post by supernovadragon on Mar 11, 2010 14:19:30 GMT -5
Yeah we should and yeah it would and no he shouldn't have annorminity and we should know what he is called. He should never have been released anyway the fucking murdering fucking bastard!!
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Post by NYR on Mar 11, 2010 15:02:29 GMT -5
can you fill me in? i'm afraid i've no idea what this story is about.
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Post by Micky on Mar 11, 2010 15:47:23 GMT -5
can you fill me in? i'm afraid i've no idea what this story is about. Jon Venables and Robert Thompson, both 10 at the time, horrifically murdered 3 year old James Bulger in 1993: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_BulgerAnd this is what has since happened: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8562739.stmEveryone's been chatting about this lately so thought id ask here. Should we know what he's done? Would it make much difference? I don't know really, inevitably if his identity is revealed it will only be a matter of time before someone kills him. And if the child porn allegation is true then I think the nonce deserves whatever comes to him.
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Post by globe on Mar 12, 2010 3:39:45 GMT -5
Yeah we should and yeah it would and no he shouldn't have annorminity and we should know what he is called. He should never have been released anyway the fucking murdering fucking bastard!! Why do you want to know who he is? What effect does it have on your life whether you know who he is or not? The guy should have been in jail for much longer than he was, indeed I would argue that he should probably never be allowed out of jail for the rest of his life, but why there is this calmour to know his new identity is beyond me.
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Post by NYR on Mar 12, 2010 3:45:36 GMT -5
thanks for filling me in. i'm afraid this story didn't get much attention in the states (if any at all). seems to me that this guy should have been in jail for many more years. i agree with every word globe wrote above me. if he's a psychopath like everybody's saying, he'll be back in jail in no time. this story is very sad, but there are some real sickos out there.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Mar 12, 2010 7:05:29 GMT -5
The guy should have been in jail for much longer than he was, indeed I would argue that he should probably never be allowed out of jail for the rest of his life, but why there is this calmour to know his new identity is beyond me. It's because there are a lot of people in Britain who relish the opportunity to prove they're the country's most upstanding citizen. It's that never-ending game called moral oneupsmanship.
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Post by jrs40 on Mar 12, 2010 8:21:30 GMT -5
Yeah we should and yeah it would and no he shouldn't have annorminity and we should know what he is called. He should never have been released anyway the fucking murdering fucking bastard!! Why do you want to know who he is? What effect does it have on your life whether you know who he is or not? The guy should have been in jail for much longer than he was, indeed I would argue that he should probably never be allowed out of jail for the rest of his life, but why there is this calmour to know his new identity is beyond me. This
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Post by wankinginthebushes on Mar 12, 2010 18:05:58 GMT -5
The guy should have been in jail for much longer than he was, indeed I would argue that he should probably never be allowed out of jail for the rest of his life, but why there is this calmour to know his new identity is beyond me. It's because there are a lot of people in Britain who relish the opportunity to prove they're the country's most upstanding citizen. It's that never-ending game called moral oneupsmanship. Exactly. _____ If he is found guilty of these allegations, does this not favour the point for capital punishment? It would be quite clear that rehabilitation from the top level can not change such a mind set, so why should the British tax payer, pay for his life in jail. Would ending his life prove more beneficial? Especially for the victims of his crime?
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Post by Micky on Mar 12, 2010 18:47:29 GMT -5
Personally I believe, and have done for a while now, that capital punishment needs to be bought back into the Justice System.
There's endless arguments for and against bringing it back but I think for the majority of potential murderers/rapists what have you, the idea of being put to death would be deterrent enough to prevent them carrying out a crime in the first place. Especially given the joke that is the U.K. prison system, knowing they'll get a cushy life inside.
Obviously there are complete maniacs who will commit such crimes no matter what the punishment but as I said earlier, the majority will think twice.
D.N.A. advancements have come a long way since the 60's what with the CSI generation so I think although it won't be flawless, and will need a lot of deliberation, it should be bought back.
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Post by matt on Mar 12, 2010 21:26:49 GMT -5
Personally I believe, and have done for a while now, that capital punishment needs to be bought back into the Justice System. There's endless arguments for and against bringing it back but I think for the majority of potential murderers/rapists what have you, the idea of being put to death would be deterrent enough to prevent them carrying out a crime in the first place. Especially given the joke that is the U.K. prison system, knowing they'll get a cushy life inside. Obviously there are complete maniacs who will commit such crimes no matter what the punishment but as I said earlier, the majority will think twice. D.N.A. advancements have come a long way since the 60's what with the CSI generation so I think although it won't be flawless, and will need a lot of deliberation, it should be bought back. No, I don't believe in capital punishment. If they suffer, they should suffer in cold damp prisons, not by being strung by the neck. If they did bring it in, no matter the DNA advancements, I'm pretty sure that there would be at least one almight fuck up for an innocent guy - Derek Bentley style for example.
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Post by Micky on Mar 13, 2010 8:34:32 GMT -5
Personally I believe, and have done for a while now, that capital punishment needs to be bought back into the Justice System. There's endless arguments for and against bringing it back but I think for the majority of potential murderers/rapists what have you, the idea of being put to death would be deterrent enough to prevent them carrying out a crime in the first place. Especially given the joke that is the U.K. prison system, knowing they'll get a cushy life inside. Obviously there are complete maniacs who will commit such crimes no matter what the punishment but as I said earlier, the majority will think twice. D.N.A. advancements have come a long way since the 60's what with the CSI generation so I think although it won't be flawless, and will need a lot of deliberation, it should be bought back. No, I don't believe in capital punishment. If they suffer, they should suffer in cold damp prisons, not by being strung by the neck. If they did bring it in, no matter the DNA advancements, I'm pretty sure that there would be at least one almight fuck up for an innocent guy - Derek Bentley style for example. Yes but that's the problem isn't it, there are no cold damp prisons are there? and there won't ever be because of "human rights" another European law which is abused to within an inch of it's existence. The U.K. prison system is a joke and is treated like some hotel which quite frankly is what it has become; T.V's, Dvd's, Playstations, State of the art gym's, 5 star meals... turn it in for fuck sake. I'm sorry but I'm not having it that the tax money we pay is spent on some fucking murdering paedophile et al, to live a cosy life in "prison" for the rest of their lives. What sort of example is that to set to a would be criminal knowing these facts which are all common knowledge? I'm not saying to use some draconian law and give them nothing but bread and water but there needs to be a tougher system in place. The punishment needs to fit the crime. I may be shooting at the hip here but I'm sure the money spent funding these criminals lives in prison far out-weighs that of ending their lives. I also have no doubt that if capital punishment were bought back hanging would never be used again.
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Post by globe on Mar 17, 2010 4:34:11 GMT -5
Thing is Micky, while I agree with the premise of what you are saying, it's easy to say something like "all prisons are like holiday camps", but the truth is, they aren't. You telling me places like Barlinnie or Saughton are not tough places to be? I'd be cacking myself if I was stuck in somewhere like that!
BUT, you are right, there is far too much focus on offenders rights, rather than the right of victims, but hey that's what you get when you sign up lock, stock and barrel to things like the European Human Rights Act eh? Unfortunately we have this underclass of people in the UK now who just don't give a toss about anybody else or what they do to other people, and that includes their own children. I don't want to sound like some kind of mental lefty social worker, but something really has went wrong when two 10 year old boys can even begin to think about doing what they did to that poor wee boy.
This is a very emotive subject, I don't think we should get to a stage where we use a case like this to decide whether or not we should bring back capital punishment in this country. If we did bring it back, I think it would be the start of a slippery slope towards people calling for things like police officers to start carrying guns etc, which we don't want, do we?
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Post by Micky on Mar 17, 2010 6:35:12 GMT -5
Well I can't account for every single prison in the U.K. but I'm sure you'll agree that the majority are just not serving their purpose, and I think with prisons like Barlinnie, overcrowding has led to them fostering a reputation for being "tough" and by no means am I saying serving time in there would be a walk in the park but in reality they're still pretty tolerant to allowing more of these "luxuries" than is necessary. Much the same as you, I would still cack myself at the thought of being in there but like you said, not enough people give a shit anymore.
I know a lot of places in the U.K. people feel they have no choice but to turn to crime as lack of opportunities/prosperities are around and this leads to the overcrowding problem which in turn leads to these criminals cottoning on to the fact that prison can be easier than living in society so re-offend as soon as they're released. It's a very sad situation and a difficult one to regulate but something needs to be done sooner rather than later.
Back to point about capital punishment, I agree that this particular case shouldn't be the catalyst for bringing it back but I believe that it needs to be given some serious consideration. People like Roy Whiting and Ian huntly deserve to, yes rot in jail for eternity, but in reality although they're despised, they'll lead a relatively comfortable life inside given the current prison sytem. Off course I'd rather they suffer horribly like the families of their victims have had to (and always will) but given the circumstances we have at the moment, I'd rather people like this put to death.
Personally, I don't think it ever will be bought back. Not in my lifetime anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 18:11:37 GMT -5
Always been a big problem in Britain, we have never put enough ten year olds to death.
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Post by Micky on Mar 18, 2010 5:25:16 GMT -5
That was a good one ross , no-one's talking about putting ten year olds to death. Take your sarcy, ignorant comments and kindly piss off.
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Post by gavincampbell on Mar 18, 2010 9:58:27 GMT -5
and you have witnessed this soft prison system personally have you micky as globe has said previous bar l aint easy going luckily i was transfered to castle huntly after 2 weeks i never got the luxuries you speak of (unless you count soft butt roll) maybe form an educated response and not one ragurgatated from the pages of tabloids
concerning venables no we shouldnt know who he is at least not yet as he deserves fair trial regardless if he deserves it or not its one of the privileges of being british
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Post by Micky on Mar 18, 2010 16:12:41 GMT -5
and you have witnessed this soft prison system personally have you micky as globe has said previous bar l aint easy going luckily i was transfered to castle huntly after 2 weeks i never got the luxuries you speak of (unless you count soft butt roll) maybe form an educated response and not one ragurgatated from the pages of tabloids concerning venables no we shouldnt know who he is at least not yet as he deserves fair trial regardless if he deserves it or not its one of the privileges of being british To clear things up as I don't think what I was saying came across how I wanted it to, with regards to Bar L, I was more generalizing and I don't remember saying every single prison and every single individual is awash with luxuries and I want to stress that. I was also aiming more at HMP, You've got your own Prison Service so I presume are able to have their own take on how things are run. Also I was getting at the treatment of murderer's and paedophiles and the like, not so much the average joe. I done a quick search and found this, if you look at some of the comments and personal accounts from both prisoners and prison wardens it generally derides the system: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/yourview/1905125/Is-prison-life-too-soft.html . I know that will feed your accusation of regurgitating from the tabloids which admittedly, is partially true but these are still (mostly) facts nevertheless. Your 1 prisoner account out of how ever many thousands there are, and have been locked up, against countless contradictory reports is enough for me to stick by guns.
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