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Post by matt on Aug 14, 2009 11:38:00 GMT -5
Horrific disaster this was - been to Lockerbie many times for fish and chips and it's really hard to believe this sleepy small Scottish town was the location for one of the worst terror attacks ever. I was wondering what Americans thought of his pending release, considering 169 Americans tragically lost their lives in the disaster - more than any other nationality (second most was British). I heard on the news there's more anger over in the US than anywhere else.
Personally, I think he should never be released, no matter how ill he is. Life should mean life and he deserves it.
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Post by matt on Aug 14, 2009 11:39:01 GMT -5
^ Anyone can feel free to comment, not just Americans
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 14, 2009 12:53:14 GMT -5
Yup saw that on the news. It's fucking disgusting.
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Post by NYR on Aug 14, 2009 13:06:34 GMT -5
it's a fucking disgrace that this scumbag is being let out.
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Post by envirochic on Aug 14, 2009 16:57:18 GMT -5
I am going to apologize now for the use of profanity to follow! This Fucker deserves to die alone in prison and to never see his family again! The courts were fucking stupid as shit to let him go cause what he has cancer, fuck that, he killed so many innocent lives! Fucking let the families of the victims stone the bitch to death!
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Aug 15, 2009 4:56:19 GMT -5
Now Enviro, come on, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. I agree anyway, it's too bad the UK doesn't have the death penalty.... I do wonder though if the fact that Libya/Kadafi has admitted responsibility, apologized and is paying reperations to the families had anything to do with the decision to let him out to get medical treatment?
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Post by thechemist on Aug 15, 2009 7:17:20 GMT -5
The CIA still has enough rogue elements that they should be able to handle the situation.
I'm not sure why anyone else on this forum has a problem with this, though. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, right NYR? This was just payback for the injustice perpetrated on the Muslim world by the west. If you're so ticked off about this guy getting out, you must me outraged that George W. is still walking free.
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Post by masterplan200 on Aug 15, 2009 7:22:57 GMT -5
If anything he should face a charge of Treason, because I consider it to be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2009 12:16:53 GMT -5
it's all politics
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Post by globe on Aug 19, 2009 7:32:14 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but the boy is a Patsy.
Jailed on the evidence of an extremely dubious CIA informer (who was paid millions by the US) ...and what flimsy evidence it was - didn't matter who was convicted as long as someone was convicted.
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Post by thechemist on Aug 19, 2009 9:21:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but the boy is a Patsy. Jailed on the evidence of an extremely dubious CIA informer (who was paid millions by the US) ...and what flimsy evidence it was - didn't matter who was convicted as long as someone was convicted. THAT'S what I'm talking about. Allah Akbar!!
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Post by globe on Aug 19, 2009 9:27:29 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but the boy is a Patsy. Jailed on the evidence of an extremely dubious CIA informer (who was paid millions by the US) ...and what flimsy evidence it was - didn't matter who was convicted as long as someone was convicted. THAT'S what I'm talking about. Allah Akbar!! THATS what I'm talking about - you are a complete and utter bawbag!
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Aug 19, 2009 19:56:02 GMT -5
It's official, the basterd is to go free - www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32479346/ns/world_news-terrorism/?GT1=43001Lockerbie bomber to go free NBC: State Department official confirms British TV reports LONDON - The Scottish government has decided to release Lockerbie bomber Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, a State Department official confirmed to NBC News on Wednesday. NBC, quoting the unnamed official, said a statement was expected to be released once an official announcement by Scotland was made. Scottish Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill said Wednesday that he had informed the families of the victims that he had come to a decision about what to do with al-Megrahi and would make a formal announcement Thursday afternoon in Edinburgh, the Scottish capital. Sky News television and the BBC reported Wednesday that al-Megrahi will be released from prison on compassionate grounds. The BBC added that his release had been expected before the end of the week. Neither network cited the source of its information. Al-Megrahi, 57, has terminal cancer. He was convicted in 2001 of taking part in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 on Dec. 21, 1988. The airliner — which was carrying mostly American passengers to New York — blew up as it flew over Scotland. All 259 people aboard and 11 on the ground died when the aircraft crashed into the town of Lockerbie. But a 2007 review of his case raised the prospect that al-Megrahi had been the victim of a miscarriage of justice, and many in Britain believe that he is innocent. Lawyers for the former Libyan intelligence agent say his physical condition is worsening. The question of whether to release him has divided the families of those who died. The Rev. John Mosey, whose daughter Helga, 19, died in the attack, said Wednesday he would be glad to see al-Megrahi return home. "It is right he should go home to die in dignity with his family. I believe it is our Christian duty to show mercy," he said. But American families have largely been hostile to the idea. Seven U.S. senators and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have urged MacAskill not to release al-Megrahi. "If he's released on compassionate grounds, who would provide comfort and compassion to the family members?" said Peter Sullivan, whose best friend Mike Doyle was killed in the bombing. On Tuesday, Clinton told reporters that the U.S. believes al-Megrahi should serve out his sentence. "The United States has made its views known over a number of months and we continue to make the same point that we think it is inappropriate and very much against the wishes of the family members of the victims who suffered such grievous losses with the actions that led to the bombing of the airline," Clinton said. "And we have made our views known to the Libyan government as well. "I take this very personally because I knew a lot of the family members of those who were lost, because there was a large contingent from Syracuse University," Clinton, a former U.S. senator from New York, added. Click for related content Vote and discuss: Should bomber be released? A generation of sanctions Libyans, meanwhile, are ready to celebrate the return of al-Megrahi, whom they see as an innocent victim of the West's campaign to turn their country into an international pariah. "Exoneration. That's what we've been waiting for, and what (his release) would be," said Mohammed Abdel-Hameed, a 76-year-old retiree catching some shade behind a column in the square. "We all paid for Lockerbie, but al-Megrahi paid the highest price." "It was all fabrication on fabrication," said Ramadan Misbahi, 45, as friends seated around him at an outdoor cafe nodded in agreement. "He didn't do anything." The Lockerbie bombing sealed Libya's reputation as a terror sponsor in the eyes of the West. United Nations sanctions were imposed in 1992, augmenting others already imposed by the United States. The measures, as a whole, barred U.S. firms from doing business in Libya and barred air travel in and out of Libya. The sanctions shaped the lives of a generation of Libyans. People had to drive to neighboring Tunisia or take a ferry to Malta to travel abroad. Quality goods were hard to come by. With little foreign investment — even from Europeans — and heavy government control of the local economy, cities like Tripoli fell into disrepair, buildings became run down, and Libyans felt cut off from the world. Libya's decision to hand over al-Megrahi — along with a second suspect who was eventually acquitted — for trial in the Netherlands in 1999 marked the start of the country's escape from international isolation. The transformation was pushed along in the early 2000s by Libya's renunciation of its weapons of mass destruction program and agreement to pay compensation of about $2.7 billion to the Lockerbie victims' families. That paved the way for the lifting of the U.N. sanctions in 2003, and the U.S. sanctions in the years that followed. It also opened the floodgates for foreign — mainly European — investment in a country flush with oil and hungry for contact with the outside world.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 19, 2009 20:07:52 GMT -5
That's seriously fucked up. Why the fuck should anyone care if the ass has cancer? He killed over 200 people, why should we care if he dies? Let him die in jail. Unbelievable. They're calling this a compassionate release - well, how about showing some compassion for all the victim's families? I'm lost for words.
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Post by NYR on Aug 19, 2009 21:18:26 GMT -5
The CIA still has enough rogue elements that they should be able to handle the situation. I'm not sure why anyone else on this forum has a problem with this, though. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, right NYR? This was just payback for the injustice perpetrated on the Muslim world by the west. If you're so ticked off about this guy getting out, you must me outraged that George W. is still walking free. irrelevant to this thread. (and i'm going to even ignore the beyond vile insinuation that i'm a 9/11 conspiracist. it's just pointless with you.) the terrorists themselves are the little guys. they are, in mafia terms, a soldato. they aren't, on the most part, the head of these operations. there are bigger people in play here. in this instance, it was libya. this goes with drugs, other things on the black market and organized crime of any sort (gangs, mafia, etc.). go after the big fish and the little ones will fall with 'em.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 19, 2009 21:37:19 GMT -5
The CIA still has enough rogue elements that they should be able to handle the situation. I'm not sure why anyone else on this forum has a problem with this, though. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, right NYR? This was just payback for the injustice perpetrated on the Muslim world by the west. If you're so ticked off about this guy getting out, you must me outraged that George W. is still walking free. That cliched line is so stupid, it defies logic. A freedom fighter fights against the government. A terrorist intentionally kills innocent civilians. If your family member, Chemist, ever dies at the hands of some attack by what we all call terrorists I doubt very highly you'd call the perpetrator a freedom fighter.
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Post by globe on Aug 20, 2009 1:40:14 GMT -5
He should be released, not becaue he is dying, but because he is innocent.
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Post by halftheworld on Aug 20, 2009 11:09:20 GMT -5
A freedom fighter fights against the government. A terrorist intentionally kills innocent civilians. a terrorist also fights against the government. If your family member, Chemist, ever dies at the hands of some attack by what we all call terrorists I doubt very highly you'd call the perpetrator a freedom fighter. if a freedom fighter would kill one of your family members i highly doubt you'd call him a freedom fighter either.
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Post by halftheworld on Aug 20, 2009 11:13:19 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but the boy is a Patsy. Jailed on the evidence of an extremely dubious CIA informer (who was paid millions by the US) ...and what flimsy evidence it was - didn't matter who was convicted as long as someone was convicted. THAT'S what I'm talking about. Allah Akbar!! www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6797831.ece
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Post by NYR on Aug 20, 2009 15:34:37 GMT -5
halftheworld, while i understand your point, the us had good reason for looking at iran as the people behind it. remember the us embassy kidnappings?
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Post by halftheworld on Aug 20, 2009 16:07:48 GMT -5
halftheworld, while i understand your point, the us had good reason for looking at iran as the people behind it. remember the us embassy kidnappings? yeah, that was my point actually. i once saw a documentation where they assumed that it was a revenge move for an iranian comercial plane that was accidently brought down by a us missile. and i guessed that a conspiracy by a muslim country is a more credible story for chemist. cause you know, they're all evil and shit.
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Post by NYR on Aug 20, 2009 16:53:44 GMT -5
i wish george carlin was still alive to help tear all these fuckers apart.
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Post by thechemist on Aug 20, 2009 19:58:28 GMT -5
NYR - Nowhere in my post do I accuse you of being a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. I am, however, accusing you of being soft on terrorists and hard on Gerge Bush.
NL4E - I was being sarcastic. I'm not the one who considers them freedom fighters. It is the cultural relativists like NYR who think that these scumbags have legitimate grievances against the west.
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Post by quellophant on Aug 20, 2009 20:46:17 GMT -5
I've got to agree with globe, although there's probably no way of ever finding out if he was innocent there wasn't enough evidence in the first place to convict him. With this in mind it's a sickening thought to effectively sentence him to death by letting him die in prison if we can't say with 100% certainty that he did it.
I've seen a lot of Americans on the news the past few days and they've all just been shouting aggressively, blindly believe his conviction, rather than discussing any sort of evidence. Debate in Scotland has been far more balanced.
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Post by halftheworld on Aug 20, 2009 21:02:40 GMT -5
Debate in Scotland has been far more balanced. you mean the debate in scotlad is just left wing muslim propaganda!!! balanced is just a word muslim terrorists made up to infiltrate western media for their cause!
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