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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 6, 2005 19:51:10 GMT -5
ATLEAST 10 attacks foiled since 9/11...great success rate...imo something WILL happen in the U.S THIS MONTH....Ramadan+due for an attack+everyone at ease=probable attack. Not every plot will be stopped, a few will occur....so if one does occur soon, its most likely NOT bush's fault (despite him being a scapegoat for EVERYTHING)
and for others who think Afghan was a failure: IT WASNT!! -The Taliban may still exist, but they arnt powerful and are not the regime or gov in control... -Al-Qaeda have been completly disorganized bc of the invasion of Afghan. They no longer have training camps, or bases there...and that was their center...a part of preventing the attacks below come from the invasion...Bush deserves ALOT of credit...plus, it was justified...the American public would not allow the U.S gov not to do anything after 9/11....Clinton failed to do anything significant after the 93 bombing.
Speaking of Clinton....why did everything seem fine under him? cos he didnt do much in the way of terrorism or intervention....he can be blamed for much of the current admins problems: 9/11, BIN LADEN, LEEVE in N.O etc etc (not full blame, bush takes some too along with many other orgs, but im sorry, Clinton was FAR FROM PERFECT) --
Fast Facts: Thwarted Terror Plots Thursday, October 06, 2005 The following is a list of plots, casings, and infiltrations thwarted by the U.S. government in recent years.
10 Plots
The West Coast Airliner plot: In mid-2002, the United States disrupted a plot to attack targets on the West Coast of the United States using hijacked airplanes. The plotters included at least one major operational planner involved in planning the events of Sept. 11.
The East Coast Airliner plot: In mid-2003 the United States and a partner disrupted a plot to attack targets on the East Coast of the United States using hijacked commercial airplanes.
The Jose Padilla plot: In May 2002 the United States disrupted a plot that involved blowing up apartment buildings in the United States. One of the plotters, Jose Padilla, also discussed the possibility of using a "dirty bomb" in the U.S.
The 2004 UK Urban Targets plot: In mid-2004 the United States and partners disrupted a plot that involved urban targets in the United Kingdom. These plots involved using explosives against a variety of sites.
The 2003 Karachi plot: In the spring of 2003 the United States and a partner disrupted a plot to attack Westerners at several targets in Karachi and Pakistan.
The Heathrow Airport plot: In 2003 the United States and several partners disrupted a plot to attack Heathrow Airport using hijacked commercial airliners. The planning for this attack was undertaken by a major 9/11 operational figure.
The 2004 UK plot: In the Spring of 2004 the United States and partners, using a combination of law enforcement and intelligence resources, disrupted a plot to conduct large-scale bombings in the United Kingdom.
The 2002 Arabian Gulf Shipping plot: In late 2002 and 2003 the United States and a partner nation disrupted a plot by Al Qaeda operatives to attack ships in the Arabian Gulf.
The 2002 Straits of Hormuz plot: In 2002 the U.S. and partners disrupted a plot to attack ships transiting the Straits of Hormuz.
The 2003 Tourist Site plot: In 2003 the United States and a partner nation disrupted a plot to attack a tourist site outside the United States.
5 casings and infiltrations
The U.S. government and tourist sites tasking: In 2003 and 2004, an individual was tasked by Al Qaeda to case important U.S. Government and tourist targets within the United States.
The gas station tasking: In approximately 2003, an individual was tasked to collect targeting information on U.S. gas stations and their support mechanisms on behalf of a senior Al Qaeda planner.
Iyman Faris and the Brooklyn Bridge: In 2003, and in conjunction with a partner nation, the U.S. government arrested and prosecuted Iyman Faris, who was exploring the destruction of the Brooklyn Bridge in New York. Faris ultimately pleaded guilty to providing material support to Al Qaeda and is now in a federal correctional institution.
2001 Tasking: In 2001, Al Qaeda sent an individual to facilitate post-September 11 attacks in the U.S. U.S. law enforcement authorities arrested the individual.
2003 Tasking: In 2003, an individual was tasked by an Al Qaeda leader to conduct reconnaissance on populated areas in the U.S.
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Post by Moorish on Oct 7, 2005 5:11:50 GMT -5
Speaking of Clinton....why did everything seem fine under him? cos he didnt do much in the way of terrorism or intervention....he can be blamed for much of the current admins problems: 9/11, BIN LADEN, LEEVE in N.O etc etc (not full blame, bush takes some too along with many other orgs, but im sorry, Clinton was FAR FROM PERFECT) No, he wasn't. But at least people didn't have to live in FEAR all the time. And, like it or not, that is what Bush and his cronies want. They want people to be afraid. The old industrial-military complex thrives on a bit of that. Clinton was in many ways a nob but he wasn't a bad President and in all likelihood he would not - as Bush has done - made things WORSE. The US is more hated around the world now than ever and if there are future attacks it will be disgusting and not surprising. And you talk about these 10 foiled attacks since 9/11 and then knock Clinton - do you know how many attacks were found out and foiled by the FBI, CIA etc under his Presidency? And WITHOUT the need to bring in the hideously intrustive Patriot Act? Unless the answer is less than 10 or 0 then the comparison is pointless.
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Post by feckarse on Oct 7, 2005 13:12:57 GMT -5
i pretty much agree moorish
***************** but...
propaganda is rife everywhere
the more you learn, the more you realise you don't know.
media. government. speeches. white lies. spins. half-truths. black lies.
we've all been, and are being, mis-led at least somewhere along the line, but we don't know which way. And there's very little we can do about it.
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Post by giggergrl on Oct 7, 2005 16:51:25 GMT -5
do you work in intelligence/ anti-terrorism ? NO. then you/we wld not know.. ah you either buy into this or you don't.. maybe as simple as that ? the world has become more unstable actaually... ~Afghanistan - I support the war there..yes of course the taliban being gone is good.. ~Iraq - sadaam H. - there was no listed terrorist organizations in iraq when we went in, the neocons had their agenda since the early 90's and "stretched some info.".. period.. to promote their IDEOLOGY that democracy can be imposed.. IT CANNOT, and OIL in mind..) Sadaam posed no clear and present danger.. period.. BUT putting C. Powell up there to speak sure had us convinced about WOMD. ~this war in iraq, we just funded a future islamic state and the other secenario there is civil war.. case closed.. IT AIN"T GOOD man..
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Post by Dominic on Oct 7, 2005 17:20:11 GMT -5
nothing is as simple on paper, or in theory, the human condition is unpredictable, US forces though they would blizcraig these wars, and it failed, not the first time, WW1, the line "it will be over by christmas" was used in the first months, no simple answer at all, but someone needs the balls to say this is the way we are going in, to leave doubt, rather than arseing about in the middle
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2005 17:34:44 GMT -5
The war on terror is just phrase it doesn’t actually exist. Countries including America have had intelligence services well before September 11th 2001 and will have them well after. How many terrorist attacks were foiled pre September 11th?
It is just a piss poor excuse to go to war.
Let’s not forget terrorism has existed before September 11th. Just because America hadn't been affected it doesn’t mean that it was only invented in 2001.
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Post by lyla on Oct 9, 2005 4:05:05 GMT -5
The war on terror is just phrase it doesn’t actually exist. Countries including America have had intelligence services well before September 11th 2001 and will have them well after. How many terrorist attacks were foiled pre September 11th? It is just a piss poor excuse to go to war. Let’s not forget terrorism has existed before September 11th. Just because America hadn't been affected it doesn’t mean that it was only invented in 2001. thank you very much for that. i dont know, and now with bush putting bin laden in the same catogory as hitler and stalin, it makes one feel as if he is handing power to bin laden which he doesnt necessarily have, creating more fear.....i mean as bad as bin laden is, and perhaps scarier as terrorists arent in the open, i dont consider them as close to hitler who essentially started WWII which resulted in teh deaths of 45 million people. war on terror or whatever maybe horrible, but its not to the scale of ww2 and i hope it never will become to that point. so cant we deal with the problem minues the name calling and hysteria? its not helping the cause....it seems to just be playing into their hands by beign so scared and undermining our own principles of liberty and human rights as we respond- which means we, by changing the way we work because of them, are allowing them to really fulfil their goal of terrorising our society
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