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Post by giggergrl on Jul 9, 2005 0:24:34 GMT -5
I guess we will all watch and wait as the London investigation goes on... today on NPR they talked about how decentralized al-queda is now... it is now more of a movement as you know... time will tell - is al-queda actually responsible for the london attack or is it a bunch of "bleed outs ?" that follow the ideology of al-queda but are not directly linked or under command ? apparently lots of "how to do it" manuals float around. i.e. the manchester book. like a terrorism for dummies, all spelled out.. I spoke to some1 recently who "knows a thing or 2" and they said in london's case all you needed were the following: a bomb maker, a leader/planner and 2 others to carry it out. pretty simple and low tech and inexpensive.. the other remarkable thing said today was that terrorist organizations are now operating from the bottom- up. NO longer does the commanding come from the top - down, but rather the bottom to the top . wow. scary...hard to "stomp that out ?" * Did they discuss this today on Fox 5 news ? coz I don't watch that rubbish. I don't even believe it. my thoughts r with you all in the UK. I am gonna drink a beer and watch cable TV now. I am on vacation and I have assess 2 cable here so I am like a "deer caught in the headlites" and too many red bulls today. I am wired.
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Post by globe on Jul 9, 2005 2:24:36 GMT -5
Well from what I've read, al-queda has never been a real 'organisation', its always been more of an 'idea' that extremists can latch onto. What I mean is, I doubt Bin-Laden or any of his cohorts had anything to do with the planning of what happened in London, the people who carried it out will probably have planned it all therselves in the name of al-queda.
When the IRA were operating, they had 'sleeper cells' on the mainland. Groups of 2 or 3 people who would work together to plan attacks. Its kinda the same thing, although the IRA's top commanders would probably have the final say in wether the attacks went ahead.
There isnt a lot you can do to stop the type of attacks which happened in London I guess, which is the scary thing. These people are amongst us already.
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Post by giggergrl on Jul 9, 2005 2:29:14 GMT -5
Well from what I've read, al-queda has never been a real 'organisation', its always been more of an 'idea' that extremists can latch onto. What I mean is, I doubt Bin-Laden or any of his cohorts had anything to do with the planning of what happened in London, the people who carried it out will probably have planned it all therselves in the name of al-queda. When the IRA were operating, they had 'sleeper cells' on the mainland. Groups of 2 or 3 people who would work together to plan attacks. Its kinda the same thing, although the IRA's top commanders would probably have the final say in wether the attacks went ahead. There isnt a lot you can do to stop the type of attacks which happened in London I guess, which is the scary thing. These people are amongst us already. yeah, read all ya said... fuck... peace 2 u....
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Post by shakermaker00 on Jul 10, 2005 2:36:06 GMT -5
the two b's
war is on. let's have it
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Post by wash25 on Jul 10, 2005 3:37:00 GMT -5
What do you guys think about-- like, if we did everything they demanded right? Like, left the Middle East completely. Stopped aiding Israel or anybody else.
Do you think the terrorists would like, get regular jobs and stuff?
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Post by Dominic on Jul 10, 2005 5:03:52 GMT -5
what is the motive of the attackers, like what is there cause, ive never understood it, is it just to attack western civilisation?
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Post by giggergrl on Jul 10, 2005 8:14:18 GMT -5
what is the motive of the attackers, like what is there cause, ive never understood it, is it just to attack western civilisation? DOM, this is a short bastardized answer.. why ? #1.) we occupy Saudi arabia still and 2.) we are in cohoots with Isreal in the eyes of the enemy.. 3.)the occupation of palestine ? ya ever see it there ? a slum. this is grounds for a war in their eyes. acccording to the Koran which is the core element of their lives, they are oppressed and with nothing to lose. PEOPLE WITH NO WORK AND NO FUTURE, all over the world YOU GIVE PEOPLE JOBS AND A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD,some food and they aint gonna go be a suicide bomber.. But those families have loads of kids, say ony 3 outta 5 can make a life... hence - birth of suicide bomber.. 4.) Now we are in iraq. NUFF said... were we truthful about going there ? I do not support terrorism - fuck them. but we gotta know our enemy better too. AND NOT LIE TO THE WORLD. 5.) the other reason is sheer evil - hidden and guised under religion..* probly the biggest reason lies here. 6.) I tell ya though the religious right in the US had made direct attacks on islam. the enemy - take it literally. an atack on their very existence @ ie.. pat roberts saying "it is evil.: those nuts phone up the Dubya daily.. How to fix ? I want some more allies and a united front - the time is now ! no more unilateralism ! clamp down hard on those maggots ! My friend Dan is on his 3rd tour over there ! fuck ! his wife and kids suffer ! luckily she is a strong women ! love her ! I do not wanna seem PRO "them" I am not. I am AMERICAN ! 100% (but wanna move back to europe , I do.) also, we also must take lessons from the french , who fucking put their heels of their boots on the neck or terrorism in that country ! wow they have been dealing with this for years ! know a lot. they root out anyone even remotely connected to a suspect and come down hard ! BUT WE DISS EM instead ! and piss off our euro allies ! Not right ! See my list of books in here somewhere. to shed light on this matter. be well Dom. Tamara
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Post by Dominic on Jul 10, 2005 8:54:58 GMT -5
cheers Tam, there Cause most certinly does not support the action at all
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Post by giggergrl on Jul 10, 2005 9:10:13 GMT -5
cheers Tam, there Cause most certinly does not support the action at all cheers dom, Fuck terrorism ! I want a united front ! Like I said before. Time is NOW ! Tam
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Post by Currian on Jul 10, 2005 15:04:45 GMT -5
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Post by giggergrl on Jul 10, 2005 15:31:16 GMT -5
Firm words Tam. But listen up; we can't read their minds: hating america, what most of the arabian world does, doesn't make them evil people who want to destroy the western world. There's only a few minority of mindless people who think they'll go to heaven if they die when they kill as many people for the cause of the so-called 'jihad.' YOU ARE RIGHT. it is a minority of extremists- that have the power I 'm afraid. and twist their own religion. (as we do.) REAL Islam is a peaceful society. they are not all extremists. yes...
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Post by lionsden® on Jul 10, 2005 15:35:00 GMT -5
Firm words Tam. But listen up; we can't read their minds: hating america, what most of the arabian world does, doesn't make them evil people who want to destroy the western world. There's only a few minority of mindless people who think they'll go to heaven if they die when they kill as many people for the cause of the so-called 'jihad.' YOU ARE RIGHT. it is a minority of extremists- that have the power I 'm afraid. and twist their own religion. (as we do.) REAL Islam is a peaceful society. they are not all extremists. yes... you always give in too easy - put up a fight and fuck with someone ;D its fun
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Post by giggergrl on Jul 10, 2005 15:51:07 GMT -5
YOU ARE RIGHT. it is a minority of extremists- that have the power I 'm afraid. and twist their own religion. (as we do.) REAL Islam is a peaceful society. they are not all extremists. yes... you always give in too easy - put up a fight and fuck with someone ;D its fun OH I like to fight alright ....Not on this one however..
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Post by wash25 on Jul 10, 2005 17:36:12 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to say that the terrorists' Islam is wrong and the peaceful Islamics' is right. I mean, who's to say? You don't talk to God. We don't know what he wants. The almighty could be all crazy bloodthirsty-- nobody knows.
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Post by giggergrl on Jul 10, 2005 22:30:33 GMT -5
the two b's war is on. let's have it what luv ? (maybe it's my poor brain..)
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Post by giggergrl on Jul 10, 2005 22:36:21 GMT -5
What do you guys think about-- like, if we did everything they demanded right? Like, left the Middle East completely. Stopped aiding Israel or anybody else. Do you think the terrorists would like, get regular jobs and stuff? Good point,, NO the terrorists wld want a world of Islam of course... evil disguised as "religion." makes me ILL !
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Post by giggergrl on Jul 10, 2005 22:41:03 GMT -5
Firm words Tam. But listen up; we can't read their minds: hating america, what most of the arabian world does, doesn't make them evil people who want to destroy the western world. There's only a few minority of mindless people who think they'll go to heaven if they die when they kill as many people for the cause of the so-called 'jihad.' going by what the "experts" say, that's all.
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Post by Wireless on Jul 11, 2005 10:14:10 GMT -5
the two b's war is on. let's have it what luv ? (maybe it's my poor brain..) Bush and Blair?? Just a guess...
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Post by tezza202 on Jul 11, 2005 19:30:21 GMT -5
What do you guys think about-- like, if we did everything they demanded right? Like, left the Middle East completely. Stopped aiding Israel or anybody else. Do you think the terrorists would like, get regular jobs and stuff? Good point,, NO the terrorists wld want a world of Islam of course... evil disguised as "religion." makes me ILL ! There was a piece in the paper the other day about what would happen if the terrorists won, and Islam ruled the world etc. Fucking scary to hear what they would do. Saying about what they would get rid of, how the place would be ruled, what would happen if you commited illegal acts etc.. Creeped me out..
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Post by wash25 on Jul 11, 2005 20:33:23 GMT -5
So...nobody thinks that if we completely disengaged, that the terrorists would like, just go home?
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Post by globe on Jul 12, 2005 7:51:17 GMT -5
from news.bbc.co.uk
Houses searched in bomb inquiry
Six homes in West Yorkshire have been searched by police investigating last week's London bombings. Anti-terror officers launched the raids in the Leeds area at about 0630 BST but so far have made no arrests.
The operation came as Sir Ian Blair, Met Police Commissioner, warned another attack on London was "likely".
Five victims have been formally identified out of 52 people confirmed killed in last Thursday's explosions on three Underground trains and a bus.
Parts of Beeston and Holbeck, suburbs of Leeds, have been cordoned off, as well as a street in Dewsbury near Leeds.
Catherine Marston, BBC north of England correspondent, said a sixth address in Burley, Leeds, is also being searched.
The Met commissioner confirmed the operation "is directly connected to the outrages on Thursday".
Sir Ian said London, as well as New York, continued to be "major terrorist targets".
He said: "Another attack is likely, there's no question about that. When, who knows."
The Yorkshire searches were carried out after warrants were issued under the Terrorism Act 2000.
BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner said the police were acting on information from searches at the scenes of the crimes in London.
Hopefully they are onto something here
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Post by globe on Jul 12, 2005 8:13:17 GMT -5
More from the bbc news site
Bomb officers carry out explosion
Police have carried out a controlled explosion at a house in Leeds as part of the hunt for the London bombers. It is one of six homes in the city which were raided early this morning following the attacks that have claimed at least 52 lives.
No-one has been arrested, but police have taken up positions outside the house in the district of Burley.
Around 500 people have been evacuated from nearby houses, a mosque, a health centre and an old people's home.
Parts of Beeston and Holbeck, suburbs of Leeds, have been cordoned off, as well as a street in Dewsbury near Leeds
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