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Post by Bittersweet on Jul 23, 2004 19:36:01 GMT -5
What is the general rule with this? I noticed Kurt Cobain did this a lot when Nirvana played "Unplugged" with powerchords which was interesting while the other guitarist played open chords. Please explain bearing in mind I am a rookie at guitar
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Post by Knebworth96 on Jul 23, 2004 23:49:01 GMT -5
Bear in mind Kurt was a simplistic guitarist and and used very different methods when it came to writing songs and playing guitar. I read that during the IN Utero tour Kurt's back hurt so bad that they acquired another guitarist Pat Summat to back up Kurts playing because Kurt had problems playing guitar because of the pain. Pat did play on quite a few numbers w/ Niravna if im not mistaken. Reason 1 pain could? have been a factor. Stumming also depends on how fast the songs (measures) are. Remember that the songs they played on Unplugged were recorded with loud guitars and fast measures. The songs were meant to be played and to sound different Unplugged. Reason 2 Maybe Kurt wanted a different sound t get the songs across acoustically. (My opinion anyway) Hope that helps a little.
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Post by Bittersweet on Jul 24, 2004 12:24:33 GMT -5
Thanks For Oasis songs using simple major chords it seems that only G, G7 and E, E7 are played as open chords so would they only involve upstrumming as a general rule? What about barred chords?
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Post by Knebworth96 on Jul 24, 2004 22:39:45 GMT -5
Open chords (as with all chords including barre chords) are strummed from the top string to bottom string (downstrumming) Then depending on the feel of the song you can downstrum and then upstrum to where you move the pick hitting the strings like a pendulum going down and up constantly. There are more than two ways to play any chord any major chord can be played open or barred from A to G. When Oasis play live Noel usually plays open chords and Gem (or Bonehead) use a lot of barred chords. A perfect example is to watch a clip of Oasis live pre 2000 to see how Bonehead played srtickly barred chords while playing rhythm guitar. Hope that helps some. Ask more questions if you like for clarification. I know how frustrating it can be learning the guitar.
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Jul 25, 2004 0:38:20 GMT -5
Kurt Cobain was also fuckin left handed ya idiots. Completely changes the way you play guitar.
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Post by Supersonic779 on Jul 26, 2004 13:23:28 GMT -5
they acquired another guitarist Pat Summat. Pat Smear
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 27, 2004 2:59:55 GMT -5
there is no rule to upstrumming. whatever's most comfortable for you.
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Post by Bittersweet on Jul 27, 2004 18:03:43 GMT -5
I have a Beatles no 1's chord book and the only chords that are strummed from the top to bottom string ("open") 90% of the time are barred chords and E and G major chords - going by the chord diagrams on where to put your fingers and what strings to play with o's and x's. I am guessing if you didn't start at the top string to strum down there would be no upstrumming if that makes sense lol. Eleanor Rigby - Em, Em7, Em6 and Emaug are played as open chords so I use upstrumming throughout except for were C is required in the intro, verses and bridge I downstrum leaving the top string as the chord diagram instructs. Note I have found exception with playing major chords open from top to bottom string for example with "Something" it is open A under the name of A/E not that I am sure if this is an open invitation to upstrum
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Post by Chris Gallagher on Jul 28, 2004 17:44:35 GMT -5
I dont get what any of you mean I play guitar and cannot understand how you can just play down strums? just down down down with the no ups? I basically go just up and down but in rhthym all songs are like this
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Post by daysleeper on Jul 28, 2004 21:10:30 GMT -5
Kurt Cobain was also fuckin left handed ya idiots. Completely changes the way you play guitar. we all have something to bring to this conversation, but i think from now on, the thing that you should bring - is silence... i agree with chris gallagher - strum the bastard like a bitch - up and down.... ;D
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Post by Chris Gallagher on Jul 29, 2004 3:52:05 GMT -5
;D
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Post by Eggy on Aug 12, 2004 2:53:25 GMT -5
just go with the song.
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Post by Listen on Aug 13, 2004 6:03:41 GMT -5
Do what you want, there are no rules to playing guitar.
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Aug 13, 2004 17:11:56 GMT -5
we all have something to bring to this conversation, but i think from now on, the thing that you should bring - is silence... i agree with chris gallagher - strum the bastard like a bitch - up and down.... ;D Yer a clever one aren't ya? Shuttup, I think mine was the only structured idea that wasn't a repeat of everyone's "THERE ARE NO RULES TO STRUMMING BE FREE BASICALLY"...no wonder all of yer suck.
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Post by SuperStar on Aug 15, 2004 5:13:00 GMT -5
Yer a clever one aren't ya? Shuttup, I think mine was the only structured idea that wasn't a repeat of everyone's "THERE ARE NO RULES TO STRUMMING BE FREE BASICALLY"...no wonder all of yer suck. i just wonder how we haven't heard of you if you don't?!
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Aug 15, 2004 6:39:14 GMT -5
i just wonder how we haven't heard of you if you don't?! ANOTHER clever one...since when does notoriety make you a good guitar player? "My guitar will make me a star"...good one man, v funny.
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Post by Eggy on Aug 17, 2004 4:45:02 GMT -5
Heres clever one number 3, Mr. Frustrating.
First: there is NO difference between playing left or righthanded, only when you dont change the strings (so your low E is down)
And second: If everyone says the same, and you say the opposite, does that make you right? naaaahh. If someone starts: "how much is 1+1", and another one answers "2", and the rest of us say: yeah thats true. Than you come, no its 3602695 and a half, does that make you right? naaah.
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Aug 18, 2004 13:53:00 GMT -5
Yer not fucking left handed are ya, buddy. You must be some kind of genius to know that they string their guitars upside down! (sarcasm) You must've been assuming that I didn't know that? Well pat yerself on the back, because you are an ass. Just because you string it upside down doesn't mean it doesn't affect your strumming methods.
And...I guess if everyone jumped off a bridge, we would tragically lose all these idiots too, by your well thought out analogy...great attitude you got. Just because it makes you angry doesn't make it wrong. How long did it take you to come up with this piece of gold (shit)
"If everyone says the same, and you say the opposite, does that make you right? naaaahh. If someone starts: "how much is 1+1", and another one answers "2", and the rest of us say: yeah thats true. Than you come, no its 3602695 and a half, does that make you right? naaah. "
And calling me Mr. Frustrating was...lame to say the least.
You, eggywhatever, are an idiot. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Eggy on Aug 19, 2004 3:28:27 GMT -5
Im not left-handed? Yes I am, I played lefthanded for a while, but now I play right handed... but im originally a lefty... And I wasnt assuming anything about your knowledge of the strings...
then: im not following anybodys opinion here, just spreadig my own. But if it accidently is the same as most others, except yours, does that make me a follower? no...
At last: it doenst make me mad at all, man. I mean it. Even now it doesnt. But it seems (and i am NOT assuming anything) that your all angry from the beginning. Starting your first reply with: "idiots"...
Cant you take a bit of sarcasm? cant you take a joke? Easy out man, its just a discussion...
cheers
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Aug 19, 2004 8:00:33 GMT -5
at least you are shutting up. and I still find it hard to believe you "played left handed for awhile"?? Did you realize that would be hard to believe when you wrote it? Yer not f-in noel gallagher either if thats what yer implying.
"Cant you take a bit of sarcasm? cant you take a joke?" Applies just as much to you man as it does to me...DO NOT act like you are the chill one in this situation now. Definitely someone got upset when they saw the word "idiot", and rightfully so, but don't make it sound like I don't have a sense of humor.
"First: there is NO difference between playing left or righthanded, only when you dont change the strings (so your low E is down)"
That sounds like an assumption to me, otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to tell me this? Yea....heh.
Fer someone who's attitude now seems to be "Easy out, it's just a discussion, you seemed pretty intent on fighting fire with fire and telling me I was wrong for saying something that goes against this boards "brilliant" status quo. "Heres clever one number 3, Mr. Frustrating.", doesn't sound like you are up for "just a discussion". Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's rain.
"It's just a discussion"-remember that un kids!
Cheers! or not.
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Post by Eggy on Aug 19, 2004 9:01:39 GMT -5
Look man, im just saying what i think. If you dont believe im originally a lefty, fair enough...
Im not trying to be the chill one or something either. what im trying to say is that you seem to be offended by everything I say. Ok, my joke about clever one #3 and Mr. frustrating was a bit offencive maybe, but it was pure a reaction on your (in my eyes) frustrated replies on others in this thread, while there was no need for that imo.
""First: there is NO difference between playing left or righthanded, only when you dont change the strings (so your low E is down)" That sounds like an assumption to me, otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to tell me this? Yea....heh."
Well, it could sound like an assumption to you, but it realy wasnt. There are players who play their guitar with thelow E down, but you have to be very good than. and then is the struming indeed completely different.
"Fer someone who's attitude now seems to be "Easy out, it's just a discussion, you seemed pretty intent on fighting fire with fire and telling me I was wrong for saying something that goes against this boards "brilliant" status quo." Look, I dont know what status quo means, but i am not in the intention at all of fighting fire with fire. Like I said before, the mr frustrating bit was a slightly sarcastic joke, which I think wasnt that offencive at all. But views seems to differ...
All im trying is to clear things up, work things out, or whatever its called.
If I expressed myself wrong, my excuses... Theres no need for this (partly mine, i admit) discussion...
I say: cheers
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Aug 19, 2004 10:58:31 GMT -5
Anyways...whatever...
For a topic based on "upstrumming" (CALLED UPSTROKE PEOPLE)...fuckin...amateurs.
Yer joke was not offensive...it was hardly worthy of a joke. My grandfather would hardly laugh at that. Geez..."Mr. Frustrating"...yer insulting yerself man.
Like I said before, at least you are shutting up.
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Post by chocolate st*rfish on Aug 19, 2004 12:59:26 GMT -5
the topic will be continued without swear words and offense on a personal level, i hope that was clear to the both of you
thanks
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Post by Eggy on Aug 20, 2004 3:01:05 GMT -5
the topic will be continued without swear words and offense on a personal level, i hope that was clear to the both of you thanks applause!!! ;D
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Post by Bittersweet on Sept 27, 2004 15:01:39 GMT -5
ok can we discuss strumming styles with rythm like 3/4 , 4/4 and how to mix it up etc to get the most interesting sound? Also, what about bass-style strumming! I think Noel Gallagher uses some of this on Sad Song from the Jools Holland performance I have seen
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