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Post by The Escapist on Jun 9, 2023 13:30:28 GMT -5
Who Built the Moon was a success.
"Holy Mountain" certainly was.
Noel needed to keep that energy going! The EPs took away the hurricane wind that Holmes put into his sails. First step backwards in his solo career. Hasn't picked the pace up since.
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Post by matt on Jun 9, 2023 13:38:31 GMT -5
His streak should have ended with Who Built the Moon. Well considering Holy Mountain is one of his most successful singles, I guess not.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 9, 2023 13:43:57 GMT -5
He could've and should've promoted it better but in the end his numbers are really good, only Lana, Ed Sheeran and Lewis Capaldi (and FF, ofc) had better entries this year, it was just unlucky timing But fair play to the Foo Fighters cos they did even better than their last album, maybe it was partly because of what happened to TH but that's how it goes Sad to see the streak go, but it was bound to happen at some point, at least he's still releasing good music
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Post by carlober on Jun 9, 2023 13:55:01 GMT -5
Yeah, it's not really that important, in the end. Sales are good, music is more than good. Exciting times ahead. My bank account took the biggest hit
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Post by Manualex on Jun 9, 2023 15:22:01 GMT -5
The UK Foo Fighters Twitter took a clear dig at Noel: UK #1 Album!!! #ButHereWeAre With hardly any promotion, music videos, interviews, NFTs etc...just the amazing music doing the talking. We're really proud of the band. Taylor Hawkins would be so fucking proud too. twitter.com/FooFightersUK that is a fan account, but fair enough
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Post by El Auténtico Dios on Jun 9, 2023 16:03:01 GMT -5
FF album is better. Not far, but better. Good win.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Jun 9, 2023 19:00:29 GMT -5
FF album is better. Not far, but better. Good win. No way noel's is far superior imo.
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Post by glider on Jun 9, 2023 19:31:39 GMT -5
Who Built the Moon was a success. "Holy Mountain" certainly was. Noel needed to keep that energy going! The EPs took away the hurricane wind that Holmes put into his sails. First step backwards in his solo career. Hasn't picked the pace up since. The irony in Noel promoting this album as the one everyone will like but Moon as his "far-out", "avant garde" album was vastly more successful is hilarious.
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Post by darmin on Jun 9, 2023 20:16:22 GMT -5
Who Built the Moon was a success. "Holy Mountain" certainly was. Noel needed to keep that energy going! The EPs took away the hurricane wind that Holmes put into his sails. First step backwards in his solo career. Hasn't picked the pace up since. The irony in Noel promoting this album as the one everyone will like but Moon as his "far-out", "avant garde" album was vastly more successful is hilarious. You know in the film industry they say that sequels pays for the sins of its predecessors.(and vice versa, of course) In this case WBTM and EPs weren’t liked by casual listeners so they didn’t buy Noel’s next album. They bought WBTM because they liked Chasing Yesterday It doesn’t help that the album isn’t really good so yeah, numbers don’t lie...
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Post by glider on Jun 9, 2023 22:29:54 GMT -5
The irony in Noel promoting this album as the one everyone will like but Moon as his "far-out", "avant garde" album was vastly more successful is hilarious. You know in the film industry they say that sequels pays for the sins of its predecessors.(and vice versa, of course) In this case WBTM and EPs weren’t liked by casual listeners so they didn’t buy Noel’s next album. They bought WBTM because they liked Chasing Yesterday It doesn’t help that the album isn’t really good so yeah, numbers don’t lie...
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Post by darmin on Jun 9, 2023 22:49:25 GMT -5
You know in the film industry they say that sequels pays for the sins of its predecessors.(and vice versa, of course) In this case WBTM and EPs weren’t liked by casual listeners so they didn’t buy Noel’s next album. They bought WBTM because they liked Chasing Yesterday It doesn’t help that the album isn’t really good so yeah, numbers don’t lie... That’s a good argument, didn’t know about it 🤔
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Post by neila83 on Jun 10, 2023 2:35:16 GMT -5
The irony in Noel promoting this album as the one everyone will like but Moon as his "far-out", "avant garde" album was vastly more successful is hilarious. You know in the film industry they say that sequels pays for the sins of its predecessors.(and vice versa, of course) In this case WBTM and EPs weren’t liked by casual listeners so they didn’t buy Noel’s next album. They bought WBTM because they liked Chasing Yesterday It doesn’t help that the album isn’t really good so yeah, numbers don’t lie... There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. Perhaps most hateful is trying to link sales figures with the quality of an album. Given the Foos actually sold about the same amount of records as Noel presumably we have to assume everyone hates their last record? Then there's whether anyone, including Noel, should care one jot whether casual listeners liked Who built the Moon. He made the album he wanted to and clearly knew it wouldn't do as well with casual buyers. I'd rather he did that than tried to fake it and make an album he didn't believe in, which seems to be what a lot of people think he should do for some reason. I present Heathen Chemistry as exhibit A, which WBTM shits all over. I'll give you a clue to start. Look at the trend in music sales figures over the last 6 years since WBTM.
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Post by mossy on Jun 10, 2023 2:55:28 GMT -5
Who Built the Moon was a success. "Holy Mountain" certainly was. Noel needed to keep that energy going! The EPs took away the hurricane wind that Holmes put into his sails. First step backwards in his solo career. Hasn't picked the pace up since. The irony in Noel promoting this album as the one everyone will like but Moon as his "far-out", "avant garde" album was vastly more successful is hilarious. He clearly needs to make another album with Holmes to reverse his commercial decline 😁 💹
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Post by lamboasis on Jun 10, 2023 8:08:59 GMT -5
Eventually Foo Fighters won by quite a few..
Foo Fighters - 44,513
Noel Gallagher - 39,642 31,222 physical 5,023 downloads 3,397 streaming sales
2023 biggest 1st week sales:
1. 95,882 - Lewis Capaldi 2. 76,263 - Ed Sheeran 3. 44,513 - Foo Fighters 4. 41,925 - Lana Del Rey 5. 39,642 - Noel Gallagher 6. 37,570 - Pink! 7. 29,249 - Metallica
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 10, 2023 8:28:10 GMT -5
Eventually Foo Fighters won by quite a few.. Foo Fighters - 44,513 Noel Gallagher - 39,642 31,222 physical 5,023 downloads 3,397 streaming sales 2023 biggest 1st week sales: 1. 95,882 - Lewis Capaldi 2. 76,263 - Ed Sheeran 3. 44,513 - Foo Fighters 4. 41,925 - Lana Del Rey 5. 39,642 - Noel Gallagher 6. 37,570 - Pink! 7. 29,249 - Metallica Official: Noel Gallagher is kaput!
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Post by walterglass on Jun 10, 2023 9:06:08 GMT -5
Eventually Foo Fighters won by quite a few.. Foo Fighters - 44,513 Noel Gallagher - 39,642 31,222 physical 5,023 downloads 3,397 streaming sales 2023 biggest 1st week sales: 1. 95,882 - Lewis Capaldi 2. 76,263 - Ed Sheeran 3. 44,513 - Foo Fighters 4. 41,925 - Lana Del Rey 5. 39,642 - Noel Gallagher 6. 37,570 - Pink! 7. 29,249 - Metallica That’s good company to be in TBF. There’s also no real link between first week sales and the quality of the music. I could list recent albums that are truly great, released by artists who make no dent in the main album charts. I am open to the idea of the Who Built The Moon era being damaging to Noel’s marketability though. And not purely for musical reasons. Taking your very loyal fanbase and branding them “monkeys” is probably not the best PR.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 10, 2023 9:48:42 GMT -5
I would have announced the release 2 weeks in advance and then drop a new single every 3 days until album is out.
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Post by darmin on Jun 10, 2023 10:09:41 GMT -5
You know in the film industry they say that sequels pays for the sins of its predecessors.(and vice versa, of course) In this case WBTM and EPs weren’t liked by casual listeners so they didn’t buy Noel’s next album. They bought WBTM because they liked Chasing Yesterday It doesn’t help that the album isn’t really good so yeah, numbers don’t lie... There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. Perhaps most hateful is trying to link sales figures with the quality of an album. Given the Foos actually sold about the same amount of records as Noel presumably we have to assume everyone hates their last record? Then there's whether anyone, including Noel, should care one jot whether casual listeners liked Who built the Moon. He made the album he wanted to and clearly knew it wouldn't do as well with casual buyers. I'd rather he did that than tried to fake it and make an album he didn't believe in, which seems to be what a lot of people think he should do for some reason. I present Heathen Chemistry as exhibit A, which WBTM shits all over. I'll give you a clue to start. Look at the trend in music sales figures over the last 6 years since WBTM. Well, no one shouldn’t care about it, I agree, but you clearly do. Just kidding haha! idc much, I’m interested in music industry and like to discuss it im not comparing 2017 and 2021 sales. I’m comparing Noel’s and FF sales. They both released albums in 2017 (not the same week) and Noel easily outsold them first week in the UK. So something changed, right? (Please don’t say anything about Taylor, we don’t know for sure how it affected their sales, and btw their 2021 and 2023 first week sale numbers are very close) Anyway my only point was that it’s not right to say that If he did album in WBTM vein it would be more successful than Council Skies as it is. It’s very much possible that WBTM was beginning of the end as it alienated a part of his casual fans Also Heathen Chemistry is so much better than WBTM, I would love if Noel could write something as good as SCYHO again 🥲
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Post by carlober on Jun 10, 2023 15:45:34 GMT -5
2023 biggest 1st week sales: 1. 95,882 - Lewis Capaldi2. 76,263 - Ed Sheeran 3. 44,513 - Foo Fighters 4. 41,925 - Lana Del Rey 5. 39,642 - Noel Gallagher 6. 37,570 - Pink! 7. 29,249 - Metallica What? Is that Capaldi guy really that popular? Fuckin' hell!
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Post by Derrick on Jun 10, 2023 16:46:13 GMT -5
The irony in Noel promoting this album as the one everyone will like but Moon as his "far-out", "avant garde" album was vastly more successful is hilarious. You know in the film industry they say that sequels pays for the sins of its predecessors.(and vice versa, of course) In this case WBTM and EPs weren’t liked by casual listeners so they didn’t buy Noel’s next album. They bought WBTM because they liked Chasing Yesterday It doesn’t help that the album isn’t really good so yeah, numbers don’t lie... I for one have been so disappointed with "Who built the moon?" that this time I didn't pre-order "Council skies" nor bought it upon release, I waited to hear it a few times on Deezer to assess it before ordering the deluxe CD after a week. Granted streaming figures are taken into account for the charts, but they don't count as much as a physical sale. I wouldn't be surprised that other people acted the same way & it hampered the sales in the race for #1.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 10, 2023 17:20:40 GMT -5
He gave up his streak for the Champions League
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Post by mobilemover on Jun 10, 2023 17:52:05 GMT -5
I definitely agree with the sentiment re Council Skies paying for the Sins of WBTM and the EP’s .
Sure WBTM went straight to no 1 but that was based on the strength of the 1st 2 albums . Once people listed to it there was a whole different reaction. I remember listening to it and I just could not believe how bad it was . The production was good but the songs were just not there to think it was going to get a lot worse with Black Star Dancing and This is the Place .
I definitely think as well that having Pretty Boy which is god awful as the lead single from Council Skies did not help as it would have spooked a lot of people myself included who thought that the Moon snd EP era was not over after all .
I myself have been a hardcore fan since 95 and have bought every physical release since that time on the day of release without fail but I have yet to get around to buying Council Skies (I plan to ) as I am just streaming it on Apple Music .
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 10, 2023 19:51:18 GMT -5
I definitely agree with the sentiment re Council Skies paying for the Sins of WBTM and the EP’s . Sure WBTM went straight to no 1 but that was based on the strength of the 1st 2 albums . Once people listed to it there was a whole different reaction. I remember listening to it and I just could not believe how bad it was . The production was good but the songs were just not there to think it was going to get a lot worse with Black Star Dancing and This is the Place . I definitely think as well that having Pretty Boy which is god awful as the lead single from Council Skies did not help as it would have spooked a lot of people myself included who thought that the Moon snd EP era was not over after all . I myself have been a hardcore fan since 95 and have bought every physical release since that time on the day of release without fail but I have yet to get around to buying Council Skies (I plan to ) as I am just streaming it on Apple Music . MOON is by no means a perfect album at all. Has plenty of flaws that drive me nuts. It feels a track or two short. The sequencing of the interludes was not ideal either. Prob shouldn’t have been split like Noel decided to do. I’d also shorten the alarm clock from 2 min to 20 seconds. It’s annoying. I called it at the time but having the scissor Queen speaking French for 30+ seconds didn’t age well. Totally not needed. Wish Noel got that sample from the early 30s cleared or come up with a sonic movement for that section. However, I love the spirit and freshness of the project. I wanted Noel to sound more modern when he went solo. Less retro stuff. We get it, you love The Kinks and Pink Floyd. Next please. I still love Holy Mountain, Beautiful World, She Taught Me How To Fly and Who Build The Moon?
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Post by walterglass on Jun 10, 2023 21:10:23 GMT -5
I definitely agree with the sentiment re Council Skies paying for the Sins of WBTM and the EP’s . Sure WBTM went straight to no 1 but that was based on the strength of the 1st 2 albums . Once people listed to it there was a whole different reaction. I remember listening to it and I just could not believe how bad it was . The production was good but the songs were just not there to think it was going to get a lot worse with Black Star Dancing and This is the Place . I definitely think as well that having Pretty Boy which is god awful as the lead single from Council Skies did not help as it would have spooked a lot of people myself included who thought that the Moon snd EP era was not over after all . I myself have been a hardcore fan since 95 and have bought every physical release since that time on the day of release without fail but I have yet to get around to buying Council Skies (I plan to ) as I am just streaming it on Apple Music . MOON is by no means a perfect album at all. Has plenty of flaws that drive me nuts. It feels a track or two short. The sequencing of the interludes was not ideal either. Prob shouldn’t have been split like Noel decided to do. I’d also shorten the alarm clock from 2 min to 20 seconds. It’s annoying. However, I love the spirit and freshness of the project. I wanted Noel to sound more modern when he went solo. Less retro stuff. We get it, you love The Kinks and Pink Floyd. Next please. I still love Holy Mountain, Beautiful World, She Taught Me How To Fly and Who Build The Moon? You’re invested though. And I like that. Most, though, “consume” music. As opposed to supporting music. Hence the MOON hangover. IMHO, if Council Skies followed Chasing Y’day it’d have enjoyed a much better start in life. Ultimately, though, I think it’ll become irrelevant over time. For example, I think Dead To The World will become part of the songbook.
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