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Post by fabulousbakers on Aug 13, 2022 1:04:15 GMT -5
Agreed - I didn't realise Hip Hop fans could be so thin skinned. I guess they'll calm down if we stop complaining about the remix. No I was talking about you Yes I knew that. Hip Hop fans have no sense of humor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2022 1:38:26 GMT -5
I kind of like it. But the original is obviously so much better.
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Post by oasisserbia on Aug 13, 2022 2:11:17 GMT -5
And isn't it funny the youtube version only shows the likes and not the dislikes? I mean, it's only funny if you haven't looked at Youtube since they quit showing dislike stats on videos. So at least eight months? Well...
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Post by oasisserbia on Aug 13, 2022 2:19:43 GMT -5
He probably needed to make remixes like these for that businessman's 50th birthday party. Imagine heavy guitars on event like that 😐
He probably sang Some Might say over funky beat and Cigarettes and Alcohol over lounge music instrumental.
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Post by theunderclass on Aug 13, 2022 3:05:42 GMT -5
No I was talking about you Yes I knew that. Hip Hop fans have no sense of humor. I wouldn't know the first thing about hip hop, I have no idea who the remix guy is. Happy to educate myself though and open to new sounds.
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Post by jh on Aug 13, 2022 11:32:47 GMT -5
I’m not a big fan of remixes but to put the term artists in quotes is fairly ignorant, especially as this particular individual is one of the successful hip hop producers and DJs of all time. Sorry, I have honestly never heard of him. Is he famous for ruining lots of other people's songs too? Brilliant ha ha ha....yes its utter dogshite - let MAXI have at it for a decent remix
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 13, 2022 12:59:36 GMT -5
Diamond In The Dark is such a good song which didn't need this dreadful remix.
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Aug 13, 2022 13:49:23 GMT -5
This remix takes the turgid dreck of the original and remorselessly turns it into a truly painful and unpleasent experience to the ear.
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Post by jh on Aug 13, 2022 16:48:50 GMT -5
Diamond In The Dark is such a good song which didn't need this dreadful remix. There are many others that could be remixed...and I hope do... don't go halfway and wave to name two. Seems a Debbie marketing ploy..OK they like it...milk it..milk it quick
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Post by Derrick on Aug 13, 2022 18:02:08 GMT -5
Gang Starr? Was that seriously their name or are you taking the piss? Oh, my bad. Obviously you’re so decidedly superior to the entire urban culture of 80s New York that the mention of Gang Starr might harm your fine, delicate sensibilities. C’mon, you’re the one taking the piss. Just say you don’t like it. Completely fair game. But what’s the point in making snide remarks about someone whose work you don’t know a single thing about? There’s not a good one. "Step in the arena" & "Daily operation" are timeless hip-hop classics. DJ Premier productions outside of Gang Starr are also usually worth the listen. For those who don't know him, Wikipedia lists the artists he's produced songs for, many of them are top notch & I'm not talking about Christina Aguilera: Notable artists he has worked with include Anderson .Paak, AZ, Big Daddy Kane, Big L, Blaq Poet, Bun B, Canibus, Christina Aguilera, Common, D'Angelo, Dilated Peoples, D.I.T.C., Dr. Dre, Fat Joe, The Game, Ill Bill, J. Cole, Janet Jackson, Jay-Z, Joey Bada$$, Kanye West, KRS-One, The Lady of Rage, Limp Bizkit, Lord Finesse, The LOX, Ludacris, Mac Miller, Mobb Deep, M.O.P., Mos Def, Eminem, Nas, The Notorious B.I.G., O.C., Papoose, Rakim, Royce da 5'9", Snoop Dogg, Xzibit and more Of course this won't do anything to those allergic to hip-hop.
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Post by Marissa on Aug 13, 2022 18:22:45 GMT -5
god, from the reactions to this (not just in this thread either) i would've thought that there was an actual rap verse intersected into a song off of liam's album, which would have been some groundbreaking shit... some of you guys are so offended that hip hop exists lol Some serious old man yells at cloud reactions here for sure lol it's giving "tell me you only listen to music made by white people without telling me you only listen to music made by white people"
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 13, 2022 19:21:08 GMT -5
Diamond In The Dark is such a good song which didn't need this dreadful remix. There are many others that could be remixed...and I hope do... don't go halfway and wave to name two. Seems a Debbie marketing ploy..OK they like it...milk it..milk it quick Well if they do any more remixes I sure hope that they will be better than the Dimond In The Dark one and get someone else to do it.
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Post by coolprophet on Aug 13, 2022 19:23:08 GMT -5
Gang Starr? Was that seriously their name or are you taking the piss? Educate yourself! If you come across an artist or reference that you don't know or understand – look it up.
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Post by fabulousbakers on Aug 13, 2022 22:57:44 GMT -5
Gang Starr? Was that seriously their name or are you taking the piss? Educate yourself! If you come across an artist or reference that you don't know or understand – look it up. That's a terrible idea. What if I found out Gang Starr really was their band name? I wouldn't stop laughing for a week at the lameness of it!
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Aug 14, 2022 5:23:58 GMT -5
Some serious old man yells at cloud reactions here for sure lol it's giving "tell me you only listen to music made by white people without telling me you only listen to music made by white people" The argument that a dislike of hip-hop equates to disregarding music made by non-white artists is such a reductionist, baseless notion that I can't help thinking people who use it are being deliberately obtuse for the sake of blocking the conversation. Even though lists like these are fairly redundant... Otis Redding, Sly and the Family Stone, Jimi Hendrix, Tina Turner, Aretha Franklin, (all of the great Motown in fact), Little Richard, Miles Davis, Billy Cobham, Herbie Hancock... are merely a few examples of great musicians who were from black or mixed race backgrounds. To avoid listening to these artists on basis of race would not merely be xenophobic or racist, you would have to be musically illiterate. Dislike of hip-hop, however, can be for many other reasons. My main personal reasons are the lack of any real melodic content and the fact that it now occupies so much of the general musical landscape that there is very little space left for other types of music, at least in the mainstream.
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Post by yeahyeahyeahyeah on Aug 14, 2022 9:15:28 GMT -5
Some serious old man yells at cloud reactions here for sure lol it's giving "tell me you only listen to music made by white people without telling me you only listen to music made by white people"
I truly hate comments like this. Pathetic.
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 14, 2022 9:40:13 GMT -5
Please tell me people on here aren't questioning the legacy of DJ fucking Premier lol
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Post by laylag on Aug 14, 2022 11:40:05 GMT -5
Dreadful...Just, NO.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Aug 14, 2022 11:40:11 GMT -5
I dislike rap in general. I feel similarly about country music. And metal music. I hear few redeeming qualities.
I. Just. Can't. Get. Into. It.
Likely has a lot to do with my upbringing as here in the south U.S, music was basically dominated by country and rap as rock was dying out. I tend to find the genres aggravating. Annoying. Grating to my ears.
There was popular rock we did have here in the late 90's/early 2k's which was grunge rock. Or as I like to refer to it as "ass rock". Because it sounds like the vocalists are singing out of a clenched asshole. Never again do I want to hear a Creed song. Instant eye roll.
I do wish I could be one of those positive people that just absolutely love all forms of music. I'm just not that. For some reason, I drifted toward rock from a completely different continent from my own. It just appeals to me more. Something about the style and melody just seem stronger and capture my interest better than the rock produced from my own country, which I feel is often watered down. Though, lately I am enjoying the sort of youthful synth rock groups here in the U.S. Bands like: Flor. Young the Giant. Joywave.
That being said, I'm not totally hardened towards anything within these genres. I just am usually. Which is why I like this remix. It's pretty cool.
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Post by jezza2 on Aug 14, 2022 12:02:43 GMT -5
This is actually quite good, and I think it would've been even better if D.J. Premier did his own verse. I like the softer tone the remix has.
However, I still think the original is better, but the remix is quite solid. 7.5/10.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Aug 14, 2022 15:11:10 GMT -5
it's giving "tell me you only listen to music made by white people without telling me you only listen to music made by white people" The argument that a dislike of hip-hop equates to disregarding music made by non-white artists is such a reductionist, baseless notion that I can't help thinking people who use it are being deliberately obtuse for the sake of blocking the conversation. Even though lists like these are fairly redundant... Otis Redding, Sly and the Family Stone, Jimi Hendrix, Tina Turner, Aretha Franklin, (all of the great Motown in fact), Little Richard, Miles Davis, Billy Cobham, Herbie Hancock... are merely a few examples of great musicians who were from black or mixed race backgrounds. To avoid listening to these artists on basis of race would not merely be xenophobic or racist, you would have to be musically illiterate. Dislike of hip-hop, however, can be for many other reasons. My main personal reasons are the lack of any real melodic content and the fact that it now occupies so much of the general musical landscape that there is very little space left for other types of music, at least in the mainstream.
This argument doesn't work. You can dislike all of hip-hop (some of which is quite melodic, btw) just like you can dislike Herbie Hancock, and that's your business, but they are both core to musical and pop culture history.
So if it's about being "musically literate" there's no substantive difference between Little Richard's place in the history and Grandmaster Flash's. No music history book of 20th Century popular music would leave out either. You yourself note that hip-hop/rap dominates the charts and stages. That makes it the most important music culturally of its time, regardless of whether you like it or have looked into the reasons it might speak to this era more than other forms.
Here's an original concept for some: you can dislike something in your own ears without disrespecting the people who are obvious creative pioneers.
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Post by freddy838 on Aug 14, 2022 16:43:15 GMT -5
I generally hate remixes but this isn't too offensive.
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Post by yeahyeahyeahyeah on Aug 14, 2022 17:54:06 GMT -5
The argument that a dislike of hip-hop equates to disregarding music made by non-white artists is such a reductionist, baseless notion that I can't help thinking people who use it are being deliberately obtuse for the sake of blocking the conversation. Even though lists like these are fairly redundant... Otis Redding, Sly and the Family Stone, Jimi Hendrix, Tina Turner, Aretha Franklin, (all of the great Motown in fact), Little Richard, Miles Davis, Billy Cobham, Herbie Hancock... are merely a few examples of great musicians who were from black or mixed race backgrounds. To avoid listening to these artists on basis of race would not merely be xenophobic or racist, you would have to be musically illiterate. Dislike of hip-hop, however, can be for many other reasons. My main personal reasons are the lack of any real melodic content and the fact that it now occupies so much of the general musical landscape that there is very little space left for other types of music, at least in the mainstream.
This argument doesn't work. You can dislike all of hip-hop (some of which is quite melodic, btw) just like you can dislike Herbie Hancock, and that's your business, but they are both core to musical and pop culture history.
So if it's about being "musically literate" there's no substantive difference between Little Richard's place in the history and Grandmaster Flash's. No music history book of 20th Century popular music would leave out either. You yourself note that hip-hop/rap dominates the charts and stages. That makes it the most important music culturally of its time, regardless of whether you like it or have looked into the reasons it might speak to this era more than other forms.
Here's an original concept for some: you can dislike something in your own ears without disrespecting the people who are obvious creative pioneers.
agree.
early 80s rap and hip hop was the latest (at the time) incarnation of the rock'n'roll spirit. the clash (mick jones really) understood right away.
however, i think the poster above was trying to say that disliking hip hop, or any style of music really, certainly shouldn't be seen in, er, black and white terms. not liking a certain music doesn't mean there's a racist element, which is what that other pathetic comment was suggesting.
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Post by Marissa on Aug 14, 2022 21:08:45 GMT -5
it's giving "tell me you only listen to music made by white people without telling me you only listen to music made by white people" The argument that a dislike of hip-hop equates to disregarding music made by non-white artists is such a reductionist, baseless notion that I can't help thinking people who use it are being deliberately obtuse for the sake of blocking the conversation. Even though lists like these are fairly redundant... Otis Redding, Sly and the Family Stone, Jimi Hendrix, Tina Turner, Aretha Franklin, (all of the great Motown in fact), Little Richard, Miles Davis, Billy Cobham, Herbie Hancock... are merely a few examples of great musicians who were from black or mixed race backgrounds. To avoid listening to these artists on basis of race would not merely be xenophobic or racist, you would have to be musically illiterate. Dislike of hip-hop, however, can be for many other reasons. My main personal reasons are the lack of any real melodic content and the fact that it now occupies so much of the general musical landscape that there is very little space left for other types of music, at least in the mainstream. lots of fair points - i am poking fun at oasis fans in general with that comment too though because the stereotypical oasis fan kind of listens to the same ol' stuff made by the british descent white man. buuuuuuuuut i think it's also totally fair to point out that a general aversion for hip hop and rap music was instilled in many white people subconsciously because of its association with black culture, anti white supremacy establishment, race tension, and speaking out against police brutality. for an absolutely obvious example, NWA. some of the roots of this genre make people uncomfortable, whether they realize that on a conscious level or not, because that's passed down generationally. and mainstream music i would argue has extremely little to do with classic hip hop.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Aug 14, 2022 21:41:55 GMT -5
agree.
early 80s rap and hip hop was the latest (at the time) incarnation of the rock'n'roll spirit. the clash (mick jones really) understood right away.
however, i think the poster above was trying to say that disliking hip hop, or any style of music really, certainly shouldn't be seen in, er, black and white terms. not liking a certain music doesn't mean there's a racist element, which is what that other pathetic comment was suggesting.
Totally get defending against charges of racism. Except then he hanged himself by denying hip-hop a place in history. If you just say, “yeah I love Jimi, but just can’t listen to Jay-Z, so sue me," that’s enough, no?
What you personally like and what is culturally relevant don’t always meet. Plenty of stuff you couldn’t pay me to put on my stereo that burns up the charts and fuels teenage dreams. My only beef is with those who deny or belittle people’s accomplishments. Whatever the motivation, there’s not really a great one for that.
To change the conversation a bit, there are actually some deeper links between Oasis and some hip-hop bands than some might think. There’s a reason Liam tweeted to say how moved he was by the Wu Tang Clan documentary (Of Mics and Men) that shows how they came up poor and fame (and money) hit them so hard and fast. It’s not that long a path from Staten Island to Burnage, even the athletic wear is a link—very different musical influences but the stories align in intriguing ways.
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