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Post by The Invisible Sun on Apr 14, 2022 8:44:23 GMT -5
So the videos are all over Twitter. I think it's pretty clear the cop executed Patrick. It was a minor traffic stop that escalated to the point where the cop kneeled on his back, turned off his camera (Excuse me, accidentally turned off), pulled out his gun, placed it to the back of his head and pulled the trigger.
Lots of Americans are naturally defending the cop. Which I find infuriating. As if to run or resist a police officer ought to be a death sentence. Despite the fact that minorities here, especially black minorities have a genuine right to fear police brutality, considering they are so often the target of it!
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Apr 22, 2022 16:17:07 GMT -5
So the videos are all over Twitter. I think it's pretty clear the cop executed Patrick. It was a minor traffic stop that escalated to the point where the cop kneeled on his back, turned off his camera (Excuse me, accidentally turned off), pulled out his gun, placed it to the back of his head and pulled the trigger. Lots of Americans are naturally defending the cop. Which I find infuriating. As if to run or resist a police officer ought to be a death sentence. Despite the fact that minorities here, especially black minorities have a genuine right to fear police brutality, considering they are so often the target of it!
Patrick was a refugee. In his country and America, they are trained to use force, Patrick's running away triggered the force (not racist brutality as both a black and white cop were there).
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Post by girllikeabomb on Apr 22, 2022 16:31:57 GMT -5
So the videos are all over Twitter. I think it's pretty clear the cop executed Patrick. It was a minor traffic stop that escalated to the point where the cop kneeled on his back, turned off his camera (Excuse me, accidentally turned off), pulled out his gun, placed it to the back of his head and pulled the trigger. Lots of Americans are naturally defending the cop. Which I find infuriating. As if to run or resist a police officer ought to be a death sentence. Despite the fact that minorities here, especially black minorities have a genuine right to fear police brutality, considering they are so often the target of it!
Patrick was a refugee. In his country and America, they are trained to use force, Patrick's running away triggered the force (not racist brutality as both a black and white cop were there).
This ain't it.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Apr 22, 2022 18:15:23 GMT -5
So the videos are all over Twitter. I think it's pretty clear the cop executed Patrick. It was a minor traffic stop that escalated to the point where the cop kneeled on his back, turned off his camera (Excuse me, accidentally turned off), pulled out his gun, placed it to the back of his head and pulled the trigger. Lots of Americans are naturally defending the cop. Which I find infuriating. As if to run or resist a police officer ought to be a death sentence. Despite the fact that minorities here, especially black minorities have a genuine right to fear police brutality, considering they are so often the target of it!
Patrick was a refugee. In his country and America, they are trained to use force, Patrick's running away triggered the force (not racist brutality as both a black and white cop were there). American police are poorly trained gun-toting cowards.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Apr 22, 2022 19:55:55 GMT -5
Patrick was a refugee. In his country and America, they are trained to use force, Patrick's running away triggered the force (not racist brutality as both a black and white cop were there). American police are poorly trained gun-toting cowards.
The training they get is so fundamentally flawed—based still on many unscientific assumptions, military-style tactics, and biases about classes of people (and types of actions). It's not just that they are gun-toting but that the training is overwhelmingly centered on firearm use rather than on the far more common need for conflict management. It can be so much better than this, but the will to reform is still not there on a national level.
As for Lyoya’s tragic death, the video shows horrendous decision-making and probably a homicide. It was bad from the start. Lyoya's car was stopped not for a crime but for a ticky-tacky registration violation most people will never be pulled over for (possibly profiling), the cop was escalating right away rather than de-escalating and when Lyoya showed fear, the officer physically engaged with an unarmed man who posed no public threat, kicking and punching him which tends to only further heighten irrational behavior. Finally, the officer shot him execution style in the back of the head while he was prone on the ground. Even after this, Lyoya was left in a pool of blood with no concern for his life whatsoever while the unarmed, passive passenger was arrested and the car searched.
None of this is acceptable use of force (or of the police). To quote a constitutional lawyer: “there’s no reason Mr. Lyoya is dead right now except for poor police work.”
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Apr 22, 2022 21:02:35 GMT -5
American police are poorly trained gun-toting cowards.
The training they get is so fundamentally flawed—based still on many unscientific assumptions, military-style tactics, and biases about classes of people (and types of actions). It's not just that they are gun-toting but that the training is overwhelmingly centered on firearm use rather than on the far more common need for conflict management. It can be so much better than this, but the will to reform is still not there on a national level.
As for Lyoya’s tragic death, the video shows horrendous decision-making and probably a homicide. It was bad from the start. Lyoya's car was stopped not for a crime but for a ticky-tacky registration violation most people will never be pulled over for (possibly profiling), the cop was escalating right away rather than de-escalating and when Lyoya showed fear, the officer physically engaged with an unarmed man who posed no public threat, kicking and punching him which tends to only further heighten irrational behavior. Finally, the officer shot him execution style in the back of the head while he was prone on the ground. Even after this, Lyoya was left in a pool of blood with no concern for his life whatsoever while the unarmed, passive passenger was arrested and the car searched.
None of this is acceptable use of force (or of the police). To quote a constitutional lawyer: “there’s no reason Mr. Lyoya is dead right now except for poor police work.” Yep. 100%. The law will probably justify this killing, but the law is wrong and should be changed. Police should not be able to gun down anybody they perceive as a threat to their own life. There is a rule of engagement "Do not fire until fired upon." that I feel is absolutely mandatory for any officer with a gun. And I wish in general most police didn't carry firearms. The stats say only 27% of police ever fire their weapon in duty during their entire career. I think that's low enough that most cops can go without that weapon in most situations. Just have a specially armed unit for the more dangerous calls.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Apr 23, 2022 4:04:56 GMT -5
The law will probably justify this killing
As we all know, it's an extreme long shot to prosecute cops but I'm not convinced it will be justified. There was just rank negligence the whole way through and so many times that officer could have made different decisions and Patrick Lyoya would still be alive right now. At the very least, he should be forced to find a more suitable line of work, but regardless of what the Grand Rapid PD does, I'm sure there will be civil suits to haunt him.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Apr 23, 2022 9:19:25 GMT -5
The law will probably justify this killing
As we all know, it's an extreme long shot to prosecute cops but I'm not convinced it will be justified. There was just rank negligence the whole way through and so many times that officer could have made different decisions and Patrick Lyoya would still be alive right now. At the very least, he should be forced to find a more suitable line of work, but regardless of what the Grand Rapid PD does, I'm sure there will be civil suits to haunt him.
I hope you're right.
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