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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 1, 2021 7:34:14 GMT -5
The Liam running off and get married thing is another bullshit story from Noel. Noel spoke very positive about Liam in his blog. This changed early 2009. Liam did run off in the middle of sessions in LA to get married and it did piss Noel off. You can see it in the articles from 2008.
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Post by Flashbax on May 1, 2021 11:48:59 GMT -5
The Liam running off and get married thing is another bullshit story from Noel. Noel spoke very positive about Liam in his blog. This changed early 2009. Liam did run off in the middle of sessions in LA to get married and it did piss Noel off. You can see it in the articles from 2008. Yes, it's true that he got married. But that's not the reason those songs didn't end up on DOYS
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Post by andymorris on May 1, 2021 11:50:46 GMT -5
Liam did run off in the middle of sessions in LA to get married and it did piss Noel off. You can see it in the articles from 2008. Yes, it's true that he got married. But that's not the reason those songs didn't end up on DOYS Maybe lesson learnt ? You know when you teach a kid. Didn't behave ? It's over and everyone is punished because of one kid. That's what Noel did with those songs and Liam. It was a shitty idea, but that was the idea i think.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on May 1, 2021 16:19:20 GMT -5
You’re talking about a small minority, and you know nothing of those people in any case. Noel is using that small minority as a shield against any criticism he gets and the interviewer doesn’t challenge it. It’s them not me. That’s his way out. Small minority or not, that's the people Noel saw at the front of every gig in the UK in the heyday of Oasis. That's his view on his fans because they were the hardcore ones and that's the people he could see. He didn't see the quiet ones at the back, only football hooligans and screaming teens. They weren't a small minority by the way. I'd say 1/3 of the audience back then was kinda like he described. Sure i dont know them, but hey, if you throw piss in a cup at other people that doesn't really show any sign of intelligence whatsoever. So at least stupid and unsophisticated. With the beer flowing, some were agressive, some were soft a kittens. So 2 outta 3 right. So over 40,000 people at Knebworth were agressive, stupid and throwing piss? Christ. Everytime I speak to you on this forum I become more stupid. You have seen the camera angle from behind the stage right?
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Post by Rolo on May 1, 2021 16:41:09 GMT -5
Yes, it's true that he got married. But that's not the reason those songs didn't end up on DOYS Maybe lesson learnt ? You know when you teach a kid. Didn't behave ? It's over and everyone is punished because of one kid. That's what Noel did with those songs and Liam. It was a shitty idea, but that was the idea i think. Absolutely mental if you ask me.
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Post by AppleScruff on May 2, 2021 8:52:38 GMT -5
I like a lot of this interview and the part about how he looks on the Oasis legacy.
But jeez, he’s so full of sh*t sometimes! For starters:
* That he doesn’t play lots of Oasis songs * That he’s not on social media * That he doesn’t play arenas (WTF) * The ongoing stuff about what his audience expected from him. As if WBTM is anything revolutionary
Then one thing that really annoys me. Talking about Weller, “one of my oldest friends”. Well you met him when you were 27 mate! He mentions how the Style Council “had a black girl” 🤬. That would be Dee C Lee, a brilliant artist in her own right and also the ex wife of his oldest mate Weller! But to Noel, she’s just “a black girl”.
He’s just so far up his own arse sometimes that it’s hard to handle.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 2, 2021 9:28:10 GMT -5
I like a lot of this interview and the part about how he looks on the Oasis legacy. But jeez, he’s so full of sh*t sometimes! For starters: * That he doesn’t play lots of Oasis songs * That he’s not on social media * That he doesn’t play arenas (WTF) * The ongoing stuff about what his audience expected from him. As if WBTM is anything revolutionary Then one thing that really annoys me. Talking about Weller, “one of my oldest friends”. Well you met him when you were 27 mate! He mentions how the Style Council “had a black girl” 🤬. That would be Dee C Lee, a brilliant artist in her own right and also the ex wife of his oldest mate Weller! But to Noel, she’s just “a black girl”. He’s just so far up his own arse sometimes that it’s hard to handle. Just like most rock stars and famous. People. Up their own asses. Thinking they are more important or special compared to the common man.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 2, 2021 9:35:26 GMT -5
Maybe lesson learnt ? You know when you teach a kid. Didn't behave ? It's over and everyone is punished because of one kid. That's what Noel did with those songs and Liam. It was a shitty idea, but that was the idea i think. Absolutely mental if you ask me. The whole debacle over Record Machine and Come On Outside not being recorded for DOYS despite being earmarked for it is bonkers and I’ve got many issues with Noel’s version of the tale. 1. I do believe he would be a spiteful prick and not choose record those songs when Liam returned from his shotgun wedding. 2. Oasis had 7 months between finishing mixing in LA and the release of DOYS later that October. Are you telling me they had no time for Liam to lay down vocals for these two tracks? You gotta be kidding me. Artists write and record songs last minute and toss them on albums all the time. They had months and months. Noel said Come On Outside was gonna be the first single!!!! So the song went from first single to spiteful non recording to the closet for almost 12 years before it finally appeared as a HFB b-side. That is some journey!!!! 3. It’s ironic, so much hype and these songs came out just ok. I think I prefer the 2010 Noel demo of Come On Outside over his HFB version. I’d kill for a Liam one. Would have been a fantastic addition to DOYS.
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Post by paperbackwriter on May 2, 2021 18:10:26 GMT -5
I like a lot of this interview and the part about how he looks on the Oasis legacy. But jeez, he’s so full of sh*t sometimes! He’s just so far up his own arse sometimes that it’s hard to handle. Sometimes?
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Post by CFC2013 on May 3, 2021 11:41:23 GMT -5
"Because Thatcherism had coloured all our lives, which was still prevalent with John Major, when Tony Blair came along and I heard him speak I thought – and I still think to this day – he was great. He’s the last person that made any sense to me. The third way, or centrist politics, was a new thing. I was like, “That is fucking really clever.” I started meeting them at various awards ceremonies. John Prescott was a bit of a cartoon character, but I thought the rest of them were all right."
Sorry Noel, there's nothing clever about Third-way politics or centrism.
Anyways, interesting interview. I loved the discussion of the 1990s and the challenges that came after Be Here Now. Noel taking potshots at socialists is a bit embarrassing though.
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Post by CFC2013 on May 3, 2021 11:42:36 GMT -5
I like a lot of this interview and the part about how he looks on the Oasis legacy. But jeez, he’s so full of sh*t sometimes! For starters: * That he doesn’t play lots of Oasis songs * That he’s not on social media * That he doesn’t play arenas (WTF) * The ongoing stuff about what his audience expected from him. As if WBTM is anything revolutionary Then one thing that really annoys me. Talking about Weller, “one of my oldest friends”. Well you met him when you were 27 mate! He mentions how the Style Council “had a black girl” 🤬. That would be Dee C Lee, a brilliant artist in her own right and also the ex wife of his oldest mate Weller! But to Noel, she’s just “a black girl”. He’s just so far up his own arse sometimes that it’s hard to handle. Agreed
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Post by AppleScruff on May 3, 2021 14:52:39 GMT -5
I like a lot of this interview and the part about how he looks on the Oasis legacy. But jeez, he’s so full of sh*t sometimes! He’s just so far up his own arse sometimes that it’s hard to handle. Sometimes? Haha yeah point taken The other recent example for me was his Songwriters programme on Sky Arts. It was from 2017 but I only caught it last week. Anyone at one point Noel says with a straight face that he’s “an ordinary guy with an extraordinary gift”. He’s not wrong but you don’t actually talk about yourself like that! It’s not the British way mate - stick to sarcastic self deprecation please
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Post by thespiderandthefly on May 3, 2021 17:47:05 GMT -5
“The beautiful scarf-waver “We’re On Our Way Now” and the decidedly poppy “Flying On The Ground” are both are as good as anything he’s ever written.“
Decidedly poppy! I like the sound of that
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 3, 2021 18:48:09 GMT -5
“The beautiful scarf-waver “We’re On Our Way Now” and the decidedly poppy “Flying On The Ground” are both are as good as anything he’s ever written.“ Decidedly poppy! I like the sound of that But what does “decidedly poppy” mean? Like “Rattling Rose” or “Holy Mountain”?
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Post by megyesitomate on May 3, 2021 19:05:22 GMT -5
“The beautiful scarf-waver “We’re On Our Way Now” and the decidedly poppy “Flying On The Ground” are both are as good as anything he’s ever written.“ Decidedly poppy! I like the sound of that But what does “decidedly poppy” mean? Like “Rattling Rose” or “Holy Mountain”?
I've never heard of this expression before so I had to google it. You really can't know what to expect from Noel these days, can you.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 3, 2021 19:30:57 GMT -5
But what does “decidedly poppy” mean? Like “Rattling Rose” or “Holy Mountain”? I've never heard of this expression before so I had to google it. You really can't know what to expect from Noel these days, can you. I would kill for Noel to cover “Shake It Off”.
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Post by Binary Sunset on May 3, 2021 19:54:56 GMT -5
“The beautiful scarf-waver “We’re On Our Way Now” and the decidedly poppy “Flying On The Ground” are both are as good as anything he’s ever written.“ Decidedly poppy! I like the sound of that But what does “decidedly poppy” mean? Like “Rattling Rose” or “Holy Mountain”? Hopefully not like Holy Mountain. What an unenjoyable listen.
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Post by thespiderandthefly on May 3, 2021 20:52:09 GMT -5
It’s one of his shortest tunes, so I was thinking something fast and quick like Do the Damage but with a happy feel...?
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Post by andymorris on May 4, 2021 1:33:02 GMT -5
It’s one of his shortest tunes, so I was thinking something fast and quick like Do the Damage but with a happy feel...? That's Holy Mountain right ? I'm in for that anyway. Those two tunes are my jam.
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Post by garylineker on May 5, 2021 4:30:27 GMT -5
I like a lot of this interview and the part about how he looks on the Oasis legacy. But jeez, he’s so full of sh*t sometimes! For starters: * That he doesn’t play lots of Oasis songs * That he’s not on social media * That he doesn’t play arenas (WTF) * The ongoing stuff about what his audience expected from him. As if WBTM is anything revolutionary Then one thing that really annoys me. Talking about Weller, “one of my oldest friends”. Well you met him when you were 27 mate! He mentions how the Style Council “had a black girl” 🤬. That would be Dee C Lee, a brilliant artist in her own right and also the ex wife of his oldest mate Weller! But to Noel, she’s just “a black girl”. He’s just so far up his own arse sometimes that it’s hard to handle. The "black girl" quote really stood out for me from an otherwise good interview. The way he refers to Oasis fans as basically unable to grasp the concept of a black girl and French girl in his group because of their laddish attitude. Why not just fucking say all Oasis fans are loutish, racist knuckle draggers Noel and be done with it. He's got the same elitist, looking-down-the-nose attitude that all them middle class Pitchfork esque reviewers had to towards Oasis, but now its the man who wrote all the songs saying it! The way he's added women to his songs and stuck a bit of a brass section or French spoken word, and then decided to say oh well if you think its shit its cos you just don't get it is almost like gaslighting. Its the same as the latest Arctic Monkeys album, which was basically just shit but anyone who didn't get it was a "bucket hat wearing dark fruit drinker". Or anyone who didn't like the awful latest Ghostbusters film was just sexist because it was all female leads.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 5, 2021 8:50:52 GMT -5
It’s one of his shortest tunes, so I was thinking something fast and quick like Do the Damage but with a happy feel...? Oh do we know track lenght? What is it?
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Post by tiger40 on May 5, 2021 13:11:00 GMT -5
I like a lot of this interview and the part about how he looks on the Oasis legacy. But jeez, he’s so full of sh*t sometimes! For starters: * That he doesn’t play lots of Oasis songs * That he’s not on social media * That he doesn’t play arenas (WTF) * The ongoing stuff about what his audience expected from him. As if WBTM is anything revolutionary Then one thing that really annoys me. Talking about Weller, “one of my oldest friends”. Well you met him when you were 27 mate! He mentions how the Style Council “had a black girl” 🤬. That would be Dee C Lee, a brilliant artist in her own right and also the ex wife of his oldest mate Weller! But to Noel, she’s just “a black girl”. He’s just so far up his own arse sometimes that it’s hard to handle. The "black girl" quote really stood out for me from an otherwise good interview. The way he refers to Oasis fans as basically unable to grasp the concept of a black girl and French girl in his group because of their laddish attitude. Why not just fucking say all Oasis fans are loutish, racist knuckle draggers Noel and be done with it. He's got the same elitist, looking-down-the-nose attitude that all them middle class Pitchfork esque reviewers had to towards Oasis, but now its the man who wrote all the songs saying it! The way he's added women to his songs and stuck a bit of a brass section or French spoken word, and then decided to say oh well if you think its shit its cos you just don't get it is almost like gaslighting. Its the same as the latest Arctic Monkeys album, which was basically just shit but anyone who didn't get it was a "bucket hat wearing dark fruit drinker". Or anyone who didn't like the awful latest Ghostbusters film was just sexist because it was all female leads. I haven't read the interview because the link doesn't seem to work for me but yeah, I agree with you about his black woman etc comments. It's sad really because he never used to be like this. But sadly these days he's grown into a prick with his stupid comments.
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Post by drummert5 on May 5, 2021 17:53:29 GMT -5
On the quantity of Oasis in his gigs, both 2015 and 2018 featured solo heavy sets in the Spring, then when he got into Festival mode in the summer it was back to 50/50 or thereabouts.
The difficulty seems to be than when he gets into festival mode he tends to stay there for the rest of the tour, even when it’s one of his own shows he’s playing.
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Post by ricardogce on May 5, 2021 18:47:34 GMT -5
Absolutely. We needed more Noel written songs sung by Liam. He didn’t have them. Or if he did, wasn’t willing to put them on an Oasis album. I'll always believe Oasis should have had a hiatus or two while Noel recovered his songwriting mojo. Liam came out with three genuinely great Oasis tunes, but much as I love Gem and Andy, they shouldn't have had their songs on any Oasis albums. Noel should have either taken an extended break, or just packed it in and left Oasis as a 90s phenomenon with four untouchable albums (including The Masterplan for us filthy foreigners) As much as people say they miss The Beatles, the best thing they ever did was split up when they were still at the peak of their powers. Had they gone on, every clunker they wrote as solo artists would have born the Beatles name, and tarnished their legacy. Then again, I say that and immediately think SOTSOG deserves a place in their classic catalog, too, so who am I to be drawing lines in the sand?
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Post by ricardogce on May 5, 2021 18:57:11 GMT -5
The way he refers to Oasis fans as basically unable to grasp the concept of a black girl and French girl in his group because of their laddish attitude. Why not just fucking say all Oasis fans are loutish, racist knuckle draggers Noel and be done with it. He's got the same elitist, looking-down-the-nose attitude that all them middle class Pitchfork esque reviewers had to towards Oasis, but now its the man who wrote all the songs saying it! I think it's Noel telling on himself a bit. He's gone on about how he doesn't "read books", or how he's unsophisticated, so when he congratulates himself on this supposed open-mindedness, he's really exposing how blinkered some of his perspectives are, or used to be. "Wow, I've got two girls in my band!" Fleetwood Mac are impressed, Noel.
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