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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 9:22:15 GMT -5
I'm gone for one day... and this thread has tripled in size.
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Jul 5, 2019 9:22:56 GMT -5
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Post by fartpanic on Jul 5, 2019 9:22:56 GMT -5
Come on now it wouldn’t be difficult to be above this. It’s just sad. When I was growing up Liam / Noel Gallagher were my idols. They were the coolest people on the planet to me, they were like Gods. But this crap makes me cringe and realize that I’m more mature than them both now which fundamentally makes me “above” this. I’m sure it’s the same for plenty other Oasis fans out there. Its pretty sad when you consider that they were in the biggest band in the world for a short time and arguably two of the coolest people on the planet at the time.......and now? well they are a couple of middle aged somewhat washed up rockstars having a social media battle that doesnt even have the benefit of witty humour. Its just very pathetic.
I'm 26 and I feel a lot more mature than these two, as anyone should above being a teenager really. People in their 40s and 50s certainly shouldnt doing this crap. All I can really assume is that due to the kind of lives they have had, they have never really needed to mature. They are just older versions of their 90s selves.
The point is they're not washed up. I think you make a good point about their lives being the reason. I think Noel himself looks back at how he was in Oasis and cringes a bit. With his mentality and music taste, he was very child like.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 9:23:30 GMT -5
Is that blokes first name really Gay? My 4th grade teacher was named Gay Kay... true story. Lovely woman, great teacher.
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Post by martinpaul on Jul 5, 2019 9:31:30 GMT -5
If everyone in this thread stopped reading, referencing and linking The S*n then you and we as a whole would all be a lot better off.
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Post by blkc on Jul 5, 2019 9:44:04 GMT -5
Fascinating thread. There really is a parallel to be drawn between reading some of the shit on here and how populism and a charismatic leader can make people completely distort the lines of right and wrong. The level of ridiculous shit, misogyny, picketing, and what aboutism expressed by some is insane. I'd like to think that only because it involves the Gallagher's, some people are taking this so personally, and they don't normally hold such double standards and still can distinguish between the basic lines of right and wrong. But then if they act this way about something so trivial as a frankly ridiculous public family feud between two grown musicians that are public figures, what's left for the important stuff. Future doesn't look to bright. I think you're right, what we can see here isn't just what I would call a "Gallagher Crazyness Effect" as I thought in the first place. Your post made me think about it and I kind of realize that I see the same kind of behaviours for almost every subjects discussed here and there, there's almost no place for discussion or debate, most people are just claiming what they think, getting offended when people think otherwise and don't even want to even listen or think about what other people can say. Looks like more and more people don't care if they're saying truth or shit, it's more about defending their "side" and anything can be used to do so, things get to a angry level very quickly, seems insane to me. While I don't care about that "new" Gallagher feud (it's the same shit as always imo but whatever ^^) I end up fascinated by this thread too, in a very weird /bad way, but still fascinated. ^^ Your parallel with populism looks spot on to me, it really reflects the direction taken by our societies these days, can't really speak for the UK but seems to me that it's not far from what I witness in France too. Arguments, debates are getting heavier while the level of the discussions is getting lower and lower, seems to me that is a very sad and global regression. I love to speak Oasis/Gallagher things, with people who agree with me or not that's not a problem as long as there is a real conversation, I've spoke with Liam fans, Noel fans, fans of both, I'm not aiming at anyone specific and I don't mean there isn't people who can debate/discuss in a normal way anymore, but I now kind of restrain myself to do so because it seems to me that I've ended up more and more talking to a wall rather than a person. I wasn't a huge Beady Eye fan and Liam isn't always saying the smartest things but maybe some people should remember this line I think : "You're blinded by what you idolize". Music fans shouldn't be acting as fanatics, that's just insane.
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Jul 5, 2019 10:16:12 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 10:16:12 GMT -5
If everyone in this thread stopped reading, referencing and linking The S*n then you and we as a whole would all be a lot better off. Absolutely. I didn't read any of the stories, just saw what Lisa Moorish had said on twitter.
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Jul 5, 2019 10:40:33 GMT -5
Post by birthdaycakes7 on Jul 5, 2019 10:40:33 GMT -5
If Noel cared about being more popular than Liam he wouldn't have made Who Built The Moon hahahaha lets see if he's not back with Sardy and making "normal" albums again soon. He cares a fucking lot. He's just stubborn. He will keep doing this for a bit because he wont want to be seen as giving up. But it won't be long before the half empty fields that are silent for his songs take hold. Even if he does he still won't make music as commercial as Liam's.
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Post by MONO on Jul 5, 2019 10:52:24 GMT -5
I wonder what page it will be when someone brings up Brexit... Wouldn't be THAT shocking, as the fantasy of Liam joining a Nazi party has already been brought up...
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Post by Rolo on Jul 5, 2019 11:01:41 GMT -5
I think literally everyone agrees what Liam did was stupid but some of the absolute shite being spouted in here is mental. I've never seen an overreaction like it.
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Post by neila83 on Jul 5, 2019 11:24:18 GMT -5
I think literally everyone agrees what Liam did was stupid but some of the absolute shite being spouted in here is mental. I've never seen an overreaction like it. I presume you're referring to Liam's message. Dear god if I started texting my niece every time my sister mildly took the piss out of me I think I'd rightly be classed as completely off my rocker. What has happened is this has given a window into Liam's behaviour we never had before. It's stuff Noel has talked about but most assumed he was bullshitting. So I think people aren't just reacting to this message, but how it fits into a lot of evidence about Liam's personality that some people just really really don't want to believe. As an Oasis fan, and someone with some personal and professional interest in psychology it is fascinating, but not without being aware of the tragedy going on at the centre of it. And yes, as others have said, although obviously on a far lesser scale, things like this do reflect other things going on in society. That there is anyone in this thread who has concluded everything is Sara's fault and she is a witch and Liam did nothing wrong is completely insane. And unfortunately the same way of thinking has effects on things of far greater importance. We are still waiting for one of these people to give a rational explanation for how they can demonise Sara and consider Liam blameless at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 11:25:36 GMT -5
I think literally everyone agrees what Liam did was stupid but some of the absolute shite being spouted in here is mental. I've never seen an overreaction like it. likely because people have thought too much about it and therefore have drawn up conclusions based on nothing but assumption.
The stuff about Noels wife is utterly rediculous and I feel like people are only laying into her because Liam has so they follow that path of thought and think it is ok as a result.
I literally know nothing about her besides seeing the odd picture once or twice. I and most likely everyone else has no idea what shes like as a person. Her posts are questionable imo but then thats only the same as everyone else involved in this "feud".
Noel has spoken about her before and speaks very highly of her, as he would and should. If they are happy together then good luck to em, only thing that matters really. No-one should be judging her over stuff we know nothing about.
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Jul 5, 2019 11:30:28 GMT -5
Post by neila83 on Jul 5, 2019 11:30:28 GMT -5
Well if anyone watches that video and concludes Noel has a low IQ, they're probably not too smart themselves. I don't know many people who could talk that well about some of the subjects he's asked about there. He may be a dick at times, but he's a smart dick. And I would have thought that interview should be essential viewing for anyone who considers themselves an Oasis fan, assuming you're interested in more than their thoughts on Elton John when they have an album coming out.
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Jul 5, 2019 11:32:48 GMT -5
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Post by dampcottage on Jul 5, 2019 11:32:48 GMT -5
If everyone in this thread stopped reading, referencing and linking The S*n then you and we as a whole would all be a lot better off. got there before me!! Everybody please DO NOT under any circumstances mention that shower of bastard's
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Post by jeanpaulvalley on Jul 5, 2019 12:29:27 GMT -5
I prefer Noel over Liam in almost every way but Sara started this, Liam threatened nobody (of course it was a mistake on his part I’m not defending him), Noel should’ve handled this in-house and other than that we’ve got a whole lot of virtue signaling crybaby online white knights flying to the side of Sara and Anais both of whom are fine and don’t need your hyperbolic rhetoric to get by. Ahh good, the old 'virtue signaling white knight' trope has come out. You have a very strange view of the world if you think anyone who expresses a view that something bad has been done to a woman is only doing so to 'virtue signal'. As if it's impossible for a person to just think a bad thing is bad because it's bad. It's just a meaningless slogan to belittle someone else's argument when you can't do so with actual logic. I really don't think you want to be associated with the kind of people who tend to use those phrases...they are pretty messed up if they think the only reason to ever be nice to a woman is to be a white knight/get in her pants whatever. What a sad way to live. I don't think anyone here is rushing to their side, they don't know us, they never will, I don't particularly think Sara is the kind of person I'd get on with. People are just saying what Liam did is beyond the line. How 'Sara started it', other than by existing I suppose, boggles my mind. As I said before people are free to hate on Sara, but at least be consistent and apply the same standards to Liam. “Associated” with who exactly, people who use accurate on point phrases about lame online behavior? And the constant references to the gender of Sara and Anais brings on my observation of all this nerd boy white knighting. The grown women here can take care of themselves. Fact is, none of us should even know about this and Noel should’ve handled it just him and Liam.
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Post by leron on Jul 5, 2019 12:40:14 GMT -5
Is this thread still going on? Lol
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 5, 2019 12:43:18 GMT -5
Did you watch that interview? Noel is very intelligent man when he wants to be.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 5, 2019 12:48:13 GMT -5
Well if anyone watches that video and concludes Noel has a low IQ, they're probably not too smart themselves. I don't know many people who could talk that well about some of the subjects he's asked about there. He may be a dick at times, but he's a smart dick. And I would have thought that interview should be essential viewing for anyone who considers themselves an Oasis fan, assuming you're interested in more than their thoughts on Elton John when they have an album coming out. Firstly, thanks for telling me I'm not smart! I always appreciate that! It's not the same thing to say some artists are not smart on a forum, with enough evidence in interviews and behavior from them, than to directly tell someone like you did in this sort of passive-aggressive way.
I've seen that interview when it came out, I remember it a little, so I kind of guessed what he meant by sharing me this video but I wanted to be sure (I didn't have the time to watch it again). But I don't see what would have been the problem if I hadn't seen it? I would not be a real Oasis fan? What does that even mean? Oasis is a band, I love their music, so I'm a fan, that's how it works. I don't have to see every interview they have ever done. But I've seen enough to think the Gallagher brothers don't seem that smart. It's not because in this one interview he says some relatively deep stuff that he's smart. In my opinion, people who seems stubborn, aggressive, always talk trash about other artists, get in fights, says shits like "books are stupid", etc... are not smart people. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not, but that's what I think.
You were talking about their low IQ. Being smart is something else.
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Post by standbymoi on Jul 5, 2019 12:55:36 GMT -5
'Look pretty dated after Stormzy?!' - Erm, she's old enough to be Stormzy's mum, he's kind of aimed at teens and early 20's who listen to Radio 1. She'd of been more suited at the Avalon stage at Glastonbury watching Bananarama. And the tambourine balancing hasn't happened for 10 years I believe.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 5, 2019 13:05:05 GMT -5
You were talking about their low IQ. Being smart is something else. Come on man, you know what I meant, the IQ part was written like a joke, don't take it too literally. Do you think I truly believe they have the IQ of a literal pair of socks? What I meant was in the second part of my post, they aren't the brightest bunch, and people shouldn't be surprised when they act like idiots, because they kind of are, that's all I meant. But I still don't think that their behaviour has anything to do with their smartness or intelligence. Two of them are just very bad people sometimes, that's all. Noel knows that he doesn't have to reply Liam on social media and he knows that it is not smart thing to do but he wants to make him feel bad and to win in that battle. He knows very well that there are better ways to deal with that situation.
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Post by Derrick on Jul 5, 2019 13:10:42 GMT -5
Is that blokes first name really Gay? My 4th grade teacher was named Gay Kay... true story. Lovely woman, great teacher. Did she like Jamiroquai?
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Post by matt on Jul 5, 2019 13:36:39 GMT -5
Only contribution I’ll make to this thread is to stop buying/reading The Sun (and anything Murdoch related). Couldn’t give a shit about the situation with Liam and Noel but any shit stirring by that shitstained rag is not worthy of any acknowledgement. Ignore it - and it will continue to wither and die, much like the crusty old decrepit fuckwit who owns it (hopefully not long to go now...). I’d like to think the careers of those talentless hacks and parasites such as Gordon Smart and Dan Wooton would fall into a black hole. Most here refuse point blank to acknowledge it, as do many people across the UK. In terms of locations though, it’s a shame that only Liverpool and Liverpudlians seem to get the message. Still a bit to go then before (a) many more in the U.K. start to see fucking sense and (b) develop a moral compass to avoid it like the plague.
If you read it and follow its ‘content’ then you are part of the problem. Even very slightly acknowledging one of its ‘reports’ is part of the problem. You actually have to question people morals for anyone who gets involved in it. I’ll never vote for a political party that bends to it or Murdoch’s will. Genuinely one of the biggest visible threats to democracy in the U.K, and it’s followers and hangers on are nothing but sheep.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 14:38:22 GMT -5
My 4th grade teacher was named Gay Kay... true story. Lovely woman, great teacher. Did she like Jamiroquai? I doubt it... she was old then (60's I'd guess) and that was 25+ years ago.
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Post by carlober on Jul 5, 2019 15:10:08 GMT -5
yeah, my fault. I thought it was better to contain all the shit in here rather than it being spread in other threads maybe mimmi was right in closing this clusterfuck but then again you'll have people complaining that you can't "debate" or "critizice" when they only want to stir shit up Yet again People disagree about things and talk about why they disagree. It's bizarre that this is considered a problem on an internet forum where people go to, y'know, talk about things. There's a not-so-fine line between "talking about things" and "stirring the pot". And interestingly enough, you seem to cross that line pretty often.
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Post by Ltrain on Jul 5, 2019 17:00:36 GMT -5
I feel that everyone involved is at fault. I've never liked Noel's wife, she always comes off as uppity and bitchy. I believe she had an influence on Noel making his shitty dance tunes. I remember during the Chasing Yesterday era Noel stating how his wife loved the dance tunes he was writing but didnt like any of his other stuff. I remember when Holy Mountain came out I was mortified but compared to this new EP its actually really good.
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Post by matt on Jul 5, 2019 18:09:26 GMT -5
Love how some people on here try and take the morale high ground by showing how much they are supposedly above all this. Honestly though, why the fuck do you care about this so much? Every single page is just you going off on one about Noel v Liam.
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