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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 6:52:33 GMT -5
The songwriting is much more even now. And there is less of the 1960's in it.
Both are good things.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Jun 25, 2019 7:16:07 GMT -5
Average songwriting quality is definitely better now, but I still prefer the best tunes of BDI to most of AYW ('Bold' being a clear exception). Regarding production, on the bright side Liam sounds more modern, less retro and less 60's-obsessed. On the dark side, the production is sometimes too pop for my taste. All in all, I think moving to work with professional songwriters was a good step and has resulted much better than I expected. But, ideally, I would like him to work with people more associated to the rock and independent music worlds, instead of pop-moguls. Something that sounded more like 'Scorpio Rising' or the 'rockiest' parts of Primal Scream catalog
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Post by andymorris on Jun 25, 2019 7:56:31 GMT -5
So after all the shit Beady Eye received on this forum, and now that Liam has a successful solo career...it´s time to say that Beady Eye were a top band! better than Liam solo, with best Liam´s vocals of this decade... This forum does not represent the general opinion. I went to Beady Eye gigs and the crowd was enjoying every second of it. And there was no Oasis tune, and it was fine. They gave up too quickly, Liam gave up too quickly because he had never failed before and could not accept to tour lesser big venues. Then Andy decided to give up too. Had they tried to build up Beady Eye from zero, it could have worked. Maybe it would have taken one more album, or two, but the crowd was there. At least not the people who go at gigs just to hear wonderwall and rnr star...
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Post by Rolo on Jun 25, 2019 8:10:27 GMT -5
I enjoyed both Beady Eye albums and saw them 10 times, all of which were excellent gigs. It was the right time to call time on the band though, they were going no where.
The best decision Liam made was to have a break and come back solo. Look at him now to where he was back in 2014, it's quite mental really.
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Post by martinpaul on Jun 25, 2019 8:10:51 GMT -5
So after all the shit Beady Eye received on this forum, and now that Liam has a successful solo career...it´s time to say that Beady Eye were a top band! better than Liam solo, with best Liam´s vocals of this decade... This forum does not represent the general opinion. I went to Beady Eye gigs and the crowd was enjoying every second of it. And there was no Oasis tune, and it was fine. They gave up too quickly, Liam gave up too quickly because he had never failed before and could not accept to tour lesser big venues. Then Andy decided to give up too. Had they tried to build up Beady Eye from zero, it could have worked. Maybe it would have taken one more album, or two, but the crowd was there. At least not the people who go at gigs just to hear wonderwall and rnr star... Completely agree, I was at the 2nd BDI gig and saw them 2 or 3 times afterwards and the gigs were great. They went out and toured their own material, Noel went out 'solo' playing Oasis songs. Again personally I liked BE, I thought he acoustic show to launch the album was different for them, in hindsight anything Noel did post Oasis was going to go well and anything Liam did was going to be a struggle because of the public perception of them both. It's amazing how time changes things.
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Post by LSF on Jun 25, 2019 8:22:54 GMT -5
Management, marketing and a little nostalgia.
We all know how mismanaged Beady Eye were, mostly in the 'BE' album cycle. Liam going away for a few years was the best thing he could have done for his career because it gave his management to push his "comeback". A lot of it has to do with nostalgia, which wasn't a factor in Beady Eye. They were trying to be a new thing and only played Oasis songs when it was too late. While Noel does play the classics, he is shedding the classic Oasis sound for his own. Liam is keeping it alive. All that said, I'm not sure nostalgia is something that can stand on it's own without something new and quality. Fortunately for Liam, his songwriters have given him one or two hits an album to sustain all of this.
It begs the question, if Beady Eye never happened and Liam went away for a few years and came back solo right off the bat, would it be the same?
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Post by leron on Jun 25, 2019 8:34:53 GMT -5
I love be but c'mon.. They didn't have a catchy song at all, a lot of average songs and some great tune Bad production on the first album too
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Post by elephantstone93 on Jun 25, 2019 8:50:33 GMT -5
I feel As You Were sounds bigger and the production is a big step up from Beady Eye.
Beady Eye had some good album tracks but none of the singles really landed for me. Be interesting to see an 11 track playlist from the two Beady Eye albums and As You Were. It would be mainly As You Were for me but a couple from each Beady Eye album. Might have a go at it later.
His voice was poor at the time as well, although I did like some of the acoustic performances we got. Wish he'd do more of those where he doesn't have to strain his voice. I could never understand why they only got academy gigs. Maybe it was too soon following the split. Maybe it was because they were called Beady Eye and not Liam Gallagher. But it surprised me at the time.
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Post by andymorris on Jun 25, 2019 8:53:27 GMT -5
Management, marketing and a little nostalgia. We all know how mismanaged Beady Eye were, mostly in the 'BE' album cycle. Liam going away for a few years was the best thing he could have done for his career because it gave his management to push his "comeback". A lot of it has to do with nostalgia, which wasn't a factor in Beady Eye. They were trying to be a new thing and only played Oasis songs when it was too late. While Noel does play the classics, he is shedding the classic Oasis sound for his own. Liam is keeping it alive. All that said, I'm not sure nostalgia is something that can stand on it's own without something new and quality. Fortunately for Liam, his songwriters have given him one or two hits an album to sustain all of this. It begs the question, if Beady Eye never happened and Liam went away for a few years and came back solo right off the bat, would it be the same? That's the good analysis. I think on a general level people are less strict regarding quality of a whole album now than they were in 2011 or even 2013. We are, i am, you are. Because times have changed and we know the time when Oasis made huge records is over and that the rock genre is dying. When Beady Eye came along, people were maybe expecting something like a DM part 2. or Whatever. So there was a disappointment. Now most people will go to his gigs for Wall of Glass, For What's it's Worth and a couple of Oasis tunes. And speak to each other for the rest of the set. Liam is now in the category of nostalgia act / rock and he will need something better than Shockwave. Maybe Once will be that tune. It sounds very promising.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 25, 2019 8:57:23 GMT -5
So after all the shit Beady Eye received on this forum, and now that Liam has a successful solo career...it´s time to say that Beady Eye were a top band! better than Liam solo, with best Liam´s vocals of this decade... This forum does not represent the general opinion. I went to Beady Eye gigs and the crowd was enjoying every second of it. And there was no Oasis tune, and it was fine. They gave up too quickly, Liam gave up too quickly because he had never failed before and could not accept to tour lesser big venues. Then Andy decided to give up too. Had they tried to build up Beady Eye from zero, it could have worked. Maybe it would have taken one more album, or two, but the crowd was there. At least not the people who go at gigs just to hear wonderwall and rnr star... Yeah, I'm sure the 12 people that showed up to each gig had a blast.
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Post by elephantstone93 on Jun 25, 2019 9:00:24 GMT -5
Management, marketing and a little nostalgia. We all know how mismanaged Beady Eye were, mostly in the 'BE' album cycle. Liam going away for a few years was the best thing he could have done for his career because it gave his management to push his "comeback". A lot of it has to do with nostalgia, which wasn't a factor in Beady Eye. They were trying to be a new thing and only played Oasis songs when it was too late. While Noel does play the classics, he is shedding the classic Oasis sound for his own. Liam is keeping it alive. All that said, I'm not sure nostalgia is something that can stand on it's own without something new and quality. Fortunately for Liam, his songwriters have given him one or two hits an album to sustain all of this. It begs the question, if Beady Eye never happened and Liam went away for a few years and came back solo right off the bat, would it be the same? Now most people will go to his gigs for Wall of Glass, For What's it's Worth and a couple of Oasis tunes. And speak to each other for the rest of the set. Really? Every gig I went to on his comeback the place was bouncing for every song with the exception of one or two tracks.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 25, 2019 9:03:00 GMT -5
Management, marketing and a little nostalgia. We all know how mismanaged Beady Eye were, mostly in the 'BE' album cycle. Liam going away for a few years was the best thing he could have done for his career because it gave his management to push his "comeback". A lot of it has to do with nostalgia, which wasn't a factor in Beady Eye. They were trying to be a new thing and only played Oasis songs when it was too late. While Noel does play the classics, he is shedding the classic Oasis sound for his own. Liam is keeping it alive. All that said, I'm not sure nostalgia is something that can stand on it's own without something new and quality. Fortunately for Liam, his songwriters have given him one or two hits an album to sustain all of this. It begs the question, if Beady Eye never happened and Liam went away for a few years and came back solo right off the bat, would it be the same? I think BE had an excellent marketing scheme, especially on Flick of The Finger.
Now of course, it was a disaster because some asshole leaked the song to radio before that marketing could begin. But it was the most creative approach to a release we've seen from either Noel or Liam's solo acts.
There are still videos out there with the public assembling the stems to form their own version of the song. And everybody was trying to nail what they thought the actual song would sound like. It was very cool. If only they kept a handle on the material, who knows where that might have went and if it might have exploded or not.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 25, 2019 9:11:14 GMT -5
Just check this out as an example of what people did at the time because of the marketing campaign.
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Post by chamu on Jun 25, 2019 9:22:17 GMT -5
So after all the shit Beady Eye received on this forum, and now that Liam has a successful solo career...it´s time to say that Beady Eye were a top band! better than Liam solo, with best Liam´s vocals of this decade... This forum does not represent the general opinion. I went to Beady Eye gigs and the crowd was enjoying every second of it. And there was no Oasis tune, and it was fine. They gave up too quickly, Liam gave up too quickly because he had never failed before and could not accept to tour lesser big venues. Then Andy decided to give up too. Had they tried to build up Beady Eye from zero, it could have worked. Maybe it would have taken one more album, or two, but the crowd was there. At least not the people who go at gigs just to hear wonderwall and rnr star... Sure, crowd was there...indeed i was there too two times they played in Madrid. But,for me, albums haven´t aged very well. i enjoyed these gigs and the albums a lot when they came out, but although they wrote some good tunes, there isn´t any real hit or great song on them. You can´t compare Wall of Glass with anything they put it out. If they had released a song so good like WoG and then a hit like For What´s it´s Worth, they would have achieved a great success, without a doubt. But, instead of that, they performed Seocnd bite of the Apple for an audience of millions...
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Post by GlastoEls on Jun 25, 2019 11:14:36 GMT -5
I think AYW is far, far, far better or to my taste than either of the Beady Eye albums.
But that's just me.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 25, 2019 13:11:48 GMT -5
Ask most casual music fans and I'd wager they couldn't tell you one Beady Eye song. That doesn't mean anything in terms of song quality. of course not, I put my point across poorly. The songs had no stopping power though. There was no song that would remotely catch the attention of anyone but hardcore Oasis fans. So in that terms, I think the 'BDI were hard done by/unlucky' narrative is a bit worn. They tried, it didn't work. Is what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 16:01:28 GMT -5
I remember just wanting to listen to a beady eye song and have a really good chorus. Think four letter word was about the only song they made that actually felt like a fully fleshed out song.
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Post by Lundblad on Jun 25, 2019 17:37:43 GMT -5
When Beady Eye came along, people were maybe expecting something like a DM part 2. or Whatever. So there was a disappointment. I disagree here. While this could be true for the "general public" of the UK or something like that, I don't think it was true for the fans. I hung around here a lot in the end of 2010 and in 2011. It was a big hype around DGSS and people were generally positive. Professional reviews were also generally very positive. To me, DGSS was perhaps the most positive surprise in music I've experienced. Without Noel's supervision, I really did expect an album with ten songs like Man of Misery, Ain't Got Nothin' and Meaning of Soul. The album would be something to spend a little time with waiting for a reunion. The release of Bring The Light didn't change that. Instead it turned out to be an album that wasn't far away from the quality of the 00s Oasis albums. Even though I now realize that the LAG songs clearly age worse than NG songs (until he tried to be inventive/modern in 2017), I still think it was a great achievement. While I enjoy the total indulgence in 60s music of DGSS, I realize that it was not the most wise commercial move to make an album like that. But I still like the fact that they did it – they didn't play it safe and it had a "mad fer it" vibe to it that most of the more controlled latter Oasis albums didn't have under Noel's supervision. Guitar solos everywhere, Beatles references, uninventive song structures, a song called Beatles and Stones and the cover of the 4LW single, etc. I think that their relative failure had mostly to do with the name, though. If they had called themselves Oasis (remember that when news first came out they were making an album, they were called Oasis 2.0 in the press, but perhaps they couldn't use that name for legal reasons?) or Liam Gallagher or something similar, they would have automatically gotten more attention. Especially outside the UK.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 25, 2019 18:09:17 GMT -5
People can blame management/pr all they want. Of course it plays a part.
But at the end of the day, the songs weren't there. Had they been, the shoddy management/pr wouldn't have mattered.
Beady Eye were a parody of everything people assumed Oasis were (wrongly) towards the end. Liam was a parody of himself. They were doomed to fail from the start through no real fault of their own, it just wasn't the right time.
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 25, 2019 18:42:47 GMT -5
People can blame management/pr all they want. Of course it plays a part. But at the end of the day, the songs weren't there. Had they been, the shoddy management/pr wouldn't have mattered. Beady Eye were a parody of everything people assumed Oasis were (wrongly) towards the end. Liam was a parody of himself. They were doomed to fail from the start through no real fault of their own, it just wasn't the right time. I think you're way too harsh with that. If they had a Wonderwall or DLBIA up their sleeves then yeah, then songs like that do the talking, even with shoddy management. But for me, we were talking about songs that were good enough to do the job they needed to and they were handled so poorly to begin with. Listening to that Flick Of The Finger above again and it smashes most of AYW out the water for me. I listen to more than enough "indie" bands to know the first album especially was better than alot of them. It just wasn't ever going to satisfy Liam being a smaller indie band in the grand scheme of things. On here DGSS is regarded worse than BE, but for me it's alot better and I think it was the incredibly bad management and lack of any good single on BE that killed it dead.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 25, 2019 18:54:58 GMT -5
People can blame management/pr all they want. Of course it plays a part. But at the end of the day, the songs weren't there. Had they been, the shoddy management/pr wouldn't have mattered. Beady Eye were a parody of everything people assumed Oasis were (wrongly) towards the end. Liam was a parody of himself. They were doomed to fail from the start through no real fault of their own, it just wasn't the right time. I think you're way too harsh with that. If they had a Wonderwall or DLBIA up their sleeves then yeah, then songs like that do the talking, even with shoddy management. But for me, we were talking about songs that were good enough to do the job they needed to and they were handled so poorly to begin with. Listening to that Flick Of The Finger above again and it smashes most of AYW out the water for me. I listen to more than enough "indie" bands to know the first album especially was better than alot of them. It just wasn't ever going to satisfy Liam being a smaller indie band in the grand scheme of things. On here DGSS is regarded worse than BE, but for me it's alot better and I think it was the incredibly bad management and lack of any good single on BE that killed it dead. But they clearly weren't mate? It's proved by the fact that they just aren't really bothered about anymore outside us lot. Look, I like songs like FLW, The Roller, SOTETN etc. And I think some of the stuff off BE is very good. They were victims of their own prior success. Rightly or wrongly. I'm sure they'd be the first to admit that deep down, they knew the songs weren't there. I don''t really think of Oasis/BI/LG/NG as 'indie', tbf. Oasis never really acted indie. They were an independent band on an indie label, sure, but they were only ever indie in the same The Who or the Stone Roses or the Stones were. They surpassed indie pretty quickly.
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 25, 2019 19:05:05 GMT -5
I think you're way too harsh with that. If they had a Wonderwall or DLBIA up their sleeves then yeah, then songs like that do the talking, even with shoddy management. But for me, we were talking about songs that were good enough to do the job they needed to and they were handled so poorly to begin with. Listening to that Flick Of The Finger above again and it smashes most of AYW out the water for me. I listen to more than enough "indie" bands to know the first album especially was better than alot of them. It just wasn't ever going to satisfy Liam being a smaller indie band in the grand scheme of things. On here DGSS is regarded worse than BE, but for me it's alot better and I think it was the incredibly bad management and lack of any good single on BE that killed it dead. But they clearly weren't mate? It's proved by the fact that they just aren't really bothered about anymore outside us lot. Look, I like songs like FLW, The Roller, SOTETN etc. And I think some of the stuff off BE is very good. They were victims of their own prior success. Rightly or wrongly. I'm sure they'd be the first to admit that deep down, they knew the songs weren't there. I don''t really think of Oasis/BI/LG/NG as 'indie', tbf. Oasis never really acted indie. They were an independent band on an indie label, sure, but they were only ever indie in the same The Who or the Stone Roses or the Stones were. They surpassed indie pretty quickly. Indie is a vague term, you know the category I'm talking about without me listing them lol. We all have our own experiences with bands we like, and I can honestly say that Beady Eye were not given a hope in hell by anyone. Like you say, there were some good songs there, yet some people talk about them like they were absolute shit. You cant tell me those same people ever sat down and listened to their albums. It's a debate I'd go into alot given the time. I think people actually downplay the importance of Noel doing half a set of Oasis songs too. It helped fill that Oasis void and promoted his album a shitload by managing to sell out arenas on the back of it. I mean, looking back would anyone say HFB is as good as it sold? Marketing plays such a huge part. What A Life on an Ad combined with that = win win. Liam goes on One Love etc. It's all about promotion. You take away these important factors and you get left with far less sales and impact.
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Post by pliolite on Jun 25, 2019 19:10:07 GMT -5
DGSS was produced/mixed pretty badly, and some of the better songs were almost throwaway as a result...
Though the whole thing sounded like stuff Noel wouldn't have allowed on the next record, bar a couple like Four Letter Word and Millionaire, Beat Goes On, which we know would have been used. Record is too long as well.
BE was so much better, but it was already too late for the band IMO.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jun 27, 2019 17:42:43 GMT -5
Just check this out as an example of what people did at the time because of the marketing campaign. I have no recollection of this but that sounds decent, what was it all about?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 27, 2019 18:25:00 GMT -5
Just check this out as an example of what people did at the time because of the marketing campaign. I have no recollection of this but that sounds decent, what was it all about? Campaign where you were able to get on the BDI site and like a post. If it reached a certain amount likes, then it would unlock a unique stem. I think it was over the course of a week, like 6 stems or something, all the individual parts of the song, isolated from the rest of the pieces.
People then used these stems to create the song or what they thought the song would sound like. But I think it was in the first or second stem that a radio station in California accidentally leaked the song early on air, basically killing any hype around the release strategy.
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