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Post by dominik1291 on Jun 14, 2019 10:42:01 GMT -5
Hey guys,
After reading a lot of moaning here, I was so surprised, so I thought that it would be good to make the poll and check if more people of this fanbase like this vid or not.
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Post by modxxii on Jun 14, 2019 10:42:43 GMT -5
No BUT who cares. It's just a video.
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Post by icefront on Jun 14, 2019 10:45:28 GMT -5
It's okay. Nothing special, but not bad either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 10:49:47 GMT -5
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Post by endstation on Jun 14, 2019 10:51:46 GMT -5
The interesting question is, of course, not whether the fanbase of this forum likes the video.
The interesting question is whether a broader audience would ever watch it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 10:53:31 GMT -5
Good point.
A great, creative music video could equal new fans.
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Post by dominik1291 on Jun 14, 2019 11:00:54 GMT -5
Well, I know some people who didn't care about Gallaghers/Oasis before too much and they like Shockwave as well as the video, so they even post it on their wall on fb.
From all the reviews around the world I can imagine there are similar situations everywhere.
WOG was 21, Shockwave 22 even with smaller streaming etc, so what are you talking about?
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 14, 2019 11:06:05 GMT -5
I don't hate it, but it feels like a missed oppurtunity. A good video can, without doubt, help a songs popularity and make it reach a new audience. For a lead single, especially, it can really help to build hype. And with Liam, all you really have to do is pick a cool location and have him sing the song in good clothes and some nice shots. Muddling it up with whatever that girl was doing in the mud and wherever that train was going and whoever all those people were and what protest was even going on made the whole thing confused, to me.
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Post by endstation on Jun 14, 2019 11:13:24 GMT -5
Well, I know some people who didn't care about Gallaghers/Oasis before too much and they like Shockwave as well as the video, so they even post it on their wall on fb. From all the reviews around the world I can imagine there are similar situations everywhere. WOG was 21, Shockwave 22 even with smaller streaming etc, so what are you talking about? To me, that might just as well be viewed as a failure. Liam has proven to Warner that he can sell tickets, that he can sell out stadiums, that he can attract sponsors, and that there is a good return on investing in him. He has also had two years to build up a decent following on Youtube, Facebook, Instagram (and, since earlier, Twitter). Despite this, he cannot seem to improve on the chart position from last time. I imagine they invested more cash in the songwriting this time(?), now that the investors already have the evidence available that Liam is a decent investment and now that he has already established himself as a solo artist? Or maybe I am wrong. But maybe Warner just want to play it safe and not make any risky moves at all, and maybe their only priority is to ensure that every hardcore fan buys a ticket for the upcoming tour (and possibly a Stone Island parka). I don't know. But I hope the next single has a better video that aims also for a broader audience. I know many people who liked several songs on As You Were, but would never have heard about it if I didn't play them. I know for a fact that none of them would ever watch a video of Liam walking around in a Stone Island parka making pistol signs. Why not try something new? Are the Warner people that afraid of taking risks?
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Post by dominik1291 on Jun 14, 2019 11:46:13 GMT -5
Well, I know some people who didn't care about Gallaghers/Oasis before too much and they like Shockwave as well as the video, so they even post it on their wall on fb. From all the reviews around the world I can imagine there are similar situations everywhere. WOG was 21, Shockwave 22 even with smaller streaming etc, so what are you talking about? To me, that might just as well be viewed as a failure. Liam has proven to Warner that he can sell tickets, that he can sell out stadiums, that he can attract sponsors, and that there is a good return on investing in him. He has also had two years to build up a decent following on Youtube, Facebook, Instagram (and, since earlier, Twitter). Despite this, he cannot seem to improve on the chart position from last time. I imagine they invested more cash in the songwriting this time(?), now that the investors already have the evidence available that Liam is a decent investment and now that he has already established himself as a solo artist? Or maybe I am wrong. But maybe Warner just want to play it safe and not make any risky moves at all, and maybe their only priority is to ensure that every hardcore fan buys a ticket for the upcoming tour (and possibly a Stone Island parka). I don't know. But I hope the next single has a better video that aims also for a broader audience. I know many people who liked several songs on As You Were, but would never have heard about it if I didn't play them. I know for a fact that none of them would ever watch a video of Liam walking around in a Stone Island parka making pistol signs. Why not try something new? Are the Warner people that afraid of taking risks? Nah. WOG had so many views mostly because it was showed across the world as a HUGE comeback of Liam (well, it was true), as the beginning of his solo career. It was obvious that his new album and new single won't have so many views etc, so Shockwave is on really amazing position if you think about that. It means that people still want to hear Liam and still there is a hype and sales, not on the WOG streaming level though because of obvious reasons I wrote on my first sentence. (IMO) Cheers
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Post by chamu on Jun 19, 2019 4:45:39 GMT -5
Nah. WOG had so many views mostly because it was showed across the world as a HUGE comeback of Liam (well, it was true), as the beginning of his solo career. It was obvious that his new album and new single won't have so many views etc, so Shockwave is on really amazing position if you think about that. It means that people still want to hear Liam and still there is a hype and sales, not on the WOG streaming level though because of obvious reasons I wrote on my first sentence. (IMO) Cheers I guess endstation got banned, because of a comment that insulted mimmihopps. Other people that wrote similar insults did not get banned, I guess because they never raise any criticism about Liam etc, but I guess this is how this forum works and I will not start a fight over that.. but I think this is an interesting discussion and since endstation will not be able to reply I will try instead... you might be right about your assessment. I might be naive. However, as I wrote in another thread, capitalist firms and shareholders in partnership with artists often choose strategies with low risk and a high return, instead of strategies with a higher risk and even greater return (if successful). That’s basic industrial organization theory and the empirical evidence supports this view. It’s not really ”bonkers” (as one user called it) to think that Warner thinks that way, it’s simply a quite plausible strategy for risk averse investors and shareholders. Is it bonkers to point out that e.g. private capitalist firms do not invest, and historically have not invested, enough money in R&D for revolutionary new drugs (most huge breakthrough drugs have resulted from government funded basic research). They spend most R&D money on lifestyle drugs. However, in that case, I guess it’s more about positive externalities that are not captured by individual private agents. But the main point remains: Market actors often choose strategies that are good for risk averse or risk neutral shareholders, but there is no law saying that this is the best strategy for Liam in the long run. Of course, it’s better than not having any partnership with Warner at all. But he might still have gained more if Warner chose another strategy. I guess this was actually what endstation tried to say in one earlier comment in the other shockwave video thread.. now, it is also possible that the actual strategy of Warner IS actually the best one for Liam and that you are 100% correct... but I guess(?) it’s intersting to think about Calling "mimi" retarded person and then asking why this member has been banned?? similar insults all over the forum?? are you kidding me??C´mooon!
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Post by cigarsinhell on Jun 21, 2019 17:25:55 GMT -5
Good point. A great, creative music video could equal new fans. Notably, the video included several other people in it besides a band, which I haven't noticed much in a Liam vid before. From the start, Noel's videos have been quite lavish while the budget for Beady Eye and Liam-solo have been pretty much whatever change was in the director's back pocket. To have a few people ("extras"?) wandering around carrying placards with song titles on them indicates that the vid might have cost more than the usual $23.78.
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Post by garys on Jun 27, 2019 17:20:47 GMT -5
Just noticed on YouTube that the SW "official" video has over 1M views, compared to BSD official video at 18k, not trying to be inflammatory here , just thought it was interesting
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Post by Thomas on Jun 28, 2019 17:34:04 GMT -5
Just noticed on YouTube that the SW "official" video has over 1M views, compared to BSD official video at 18k, not trying to be inflammatory here , just thought it was interesting Uhm? BSD's video has 970k views.
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Post by garys on Jun 28, 2019 20:30:10 GMT -5
Just noticed on YouTube that the SW "official" video has over 1M views, compared to BSD official video at 18k, not trying to be inflammatory here , just thought it was interesting Uhm? BSD's video has 970k views. Thanks mate - must have been on a different posting of it, thought that was odd Cheers
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