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Post by rockrevival on Jun 13, 2019 15:05:19 GMT -5
Can we estimate the financial succes of Liam's first album based on unit sales and the tour(gigs, festivals)?
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Post by rickypaglais on Jun 13, 2019 15:17:28 GMT -5
You'd need to factor in the cost of a tub of Brylcreem and a toothpick for Jay during the acoustic rooftop gig
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 13, 2019 15:22:49 GMT -5
I don't even know what Worldwide sales were of AYW tbh.
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 13, 2019 19:30:18 GMT -5
Think he made enough to keep the rain off
AS YOU WERE
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Post by mancraider on Jun 13, 2019 19:42:26 GMT -5
Think he made enough to keep the rain off AS YOU WERE Or the wolf from the door.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 6:57:03 GMT -5
Seeing as Liam is releasing material on a major label, we can assume that the album did alright otherwise the current album cycle would be a much smaller affair than it is shaping up to be a the moment.
Exact figures are going to be nearly impossible to get anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 7:10:49 GMT -5
as its been said, warner brothers will operate within the boundaries laid out within the first album. They for example will not budget £3 million for the 2nd if the first album only made £500,000 lets say. There has to be room for profit to be made.
seeing as shockwave's video was a fairly big affair its fairly clear to see that the budget hasnt been cut, if anything its higher. Liam has even said that the production on this album is bigger so again, maybe they are allowing for additional things to be factored into this album compared to as it was which had a fairly basic production for the most part.
going by that alone, I would guess that the financial success of as you were was fairly high to get the cycle that is happening right now. There is enough reason for them to justify throwing money, time and resources into it.
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Post by tezza198 on Jun 14, 2019 7:11:49 GMT -5
I reckon Liam would have made a fucking fortune from it. It was monumental success
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 7:14:42 GMT -5
I reckon Liam would have made a fucking fortune from it. It was monumental success possibly but not certainly. Liam working with warner brothers will likely automatically mean that he won't get the Lions share from as you were. The big tunes like wall of glass and for what its worth for example wernt even written by him so that likely means he will only get a fraction of money from it after the songwriters and warner take their share. Im not saying that Liam wouldnt of got a hefty sum of cash from it but Im pretty sure he wouldnt be the highest earner from it. The majority of the fortune of as you were likely went into other peoples pockets.
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Post by tezza198 on Jun 14, 2019 7:20:09 GMT -5
I reckon Liam would have made a fucking fortune from it. It was monumental success possibly but not certainly. Liam working with warner brothers will likely automatically mean that he won't get the Lions share from as you were. The big tunes like wall of glass and for what its worth for example wernt even written by him so that likely means he will only get a fraction of money from it after the songwriters and warner take their share. Im not saying that Liam wouldnt of got a hefty sum of cash from it but Im pretty sure he wouldnt be the highest earner from it. The majority of the fortune of as you were likely went into other peoples pockets. If that’s true that’s crazy considering it’s his name on everything. Man the music industry is messed up but you could be right. I remember seeing a documentary about Thirty Seconds to Mars and they said something similar how the studio take most of the earnings and almost exploit the artists. So wrong but without the studio the artist would get nowhere so it’s a tough one
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 7:39:33 GMT -5
possibly but not certainly. Liam working with warner brothers will likely automatically mean that he won't get the Lions share from as you were. The big tunes like wall of glass and for what its worth for example wernt even written by him so that likely means he will only get a fraction of money from it after the songwriters and warner take their share. Im not saying that Liam wouldnt of got a hefty sum of cash from it but Im pretty sure he wouldnt be the highest earner from it. The majority of the fortune of as you were likely went into other peoples pockets. If that’s true that’s crazy considering it’s his name on everything. Man the music industry is messed up but you could be right. I remember seeing a documentary about Thirty Seconds to Mars and they said something similar how the studio take most of the earnings and almost exploit the artists. So wrong but without the studio the artist would get nowhere so it’s a tough one its just the nature of business really. It was the same in oasis because Noel was the creator so to speak, he wrote the songs so therefore he maintains ownership over them despite someone like Liam having a big hand in making it the tunes into the successes they are. when you join someone like warner brothers, you probably just become a contributing member to proceedings. They are running the show, its their plan, their money, their songwriters, their resources, their studios. obviously, all contracts and agreements can vary, we have no idea what the shares are or how the money is handed out in terms of one off payments or standard royalties.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 14, 2019 7:54:47 GMT -5
All I know is I’m not seeing a dime of it.
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Post by macnuggets on Jun 14, 2019 8:01:50 GMT -5
Even if he's not getting a massive percentage from royalties, he would have made a shitload off touring. I work on tours in Australia and see what acts get paid who are nowhere near his level, and they have to split it 4/5 ways between the band... if Liam is getting paid more than them and keep most of (paying the band a wage?) then he would definitely be sitting pretty and keen to get back on the road again.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 14, 2019 9:18:11 GMT -5
Listen all that matters is everyone is doing better in 2019. Liam. Noel. Gem. Andy. Chris. They aren’t all together but everyone is doing just fine. And so are we as fans.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jun 14, 2019 9:32:54 GMT -5
Even if he's not getting a massive percentage from royalties, he would have made a shitload off touring. I work on tours in Australia and see what acts get paid who are nowhere near his level, and they have to split it 4/5 ways between the band... if Liam is getting paid more than them and keep most of (paying the band a wage?) then he would definitely be sitting pretty and keen to get back on the road again. I believe Liam's touring band is on a salary. I don't know if that is supplied by Warner or on a gig-by-gig basis. Liam will earn a very large portion of the cheese, but he needs to split that between all of the writers and producers of his album. I'd say as a completely uneducated guess, they would all between them share 1/4 of the royalties and Liam would earn the rest. As You Were went platinum in the UK in 2018 (300,000 sales) and opened in the US with 15,000 (14,000 traditional) sales. If you multiply the cost of the basic album (£5) by how many he sold in the UK then he did pretty well! That isn't including the deluxe, the Vinyl or any other variations of the record. Round it up to (a VERY conservative) £2 million in the UK alone, PLUS all of the gigs and tours you're probably looking at a decent bit of bunse.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 14, 2019 9:41:41 GMT -5
possibly but not certainly. Liam working with warner brothers will likely automatically mean that he won't get the Lions share from as you were. The big tunes like wall of glass and for what its worth for example wernt even written by him so that likely means he will only get a fraction of money from it after the songwriters and warner take their share. Im not saying that Liam wouldnt of got a hefty sum of cash from it but Im pretty sure he wouldnt be the highest earner from it. The majority of the fortune of as you were likely went into other peoples pockets. If that’s true that’s crazy considering it’s his name on everything. Man the music industry is messed up but you could be right. I remember seeing a documentary about Thirty Seconds to Mars and they said something similar how the studio take most of the earnings and almost exploit the artists. So wrong but without the studio the artist would get nowhere so it’s a tough one It's why artists/bands go on 2 year tours
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Post by LlAM on Jun 14, 2019 10:30:36 GMT -5
I reckon Warner Brothers had the upper hand negotiating conditions for the As You Were album. I doubt the album as such pays his bills if you factor in the record label, songwriters and overall cost of promoting and distributing an album. The gigs are probably his best aset.
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Post by maciek on Jun 14, 2019 10:46:38 GMT -5
What would be avarage per gig salary he gets?Usually bands have certain limits they dont go below and this is a promotor who think how to make profit from the gig.
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Post by joladella on Jun 14, 2019 10:53:10 GMT -5
Even if he's not getting a massive percentage from royalties, he would have made a shitload off touring. I work on tours in Australia and see what acts get paid who are nowhere near his level, and they have to split it 4/5 ways between the band... if Liam is getting paid more than them and keep most of (paying the band a wage?) then he would definitely be sitting pretty and keen to get back on the road again. I believe Liam's touring band is on a salary. I don't know if that is supplied by Warner or on a gig-by-gig basis. Liam will earn a very large portion of the cheese, but he needs to split that between all of the writers and producers of his album. I'd say as a completely uneducated guess, they would all between them share 1/4 of the royalties and Liam would earn the rest. As You Were went platinum in the UK in 2018 (300,000 sales) and opened in the US with 15,000 (14,000 traditional) sales. If you multiply the cost of the basic album (£5) by how many he sold in the UK then he did pretty well! That isn't including the deluxe, the Vinyl or any other variations of the record. Round it up to (a VERY conservative) £2 million in the UK alone, PLUS all of the gigs and tours you're probably looking at a decent bit of bunse. There was an interview recently with Pete Doherty, where he complained about Drew McConnell "leaving" him (Babyshambles) to earn money touring with Liam. I wonder if that means earning more, because I assume Doherty does not do his music for the hell of it only.
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Post by captaincrankshaft on Jun 14, 2019 11:05:48 GMT -5
Wikipedia says it sold 300,000 (not 100% accurate I know). Think that’s physical copies sold. Let’s say an average of £9 per copy. That’s a lot of money. He’s got a lot of writing credits on the LP so would have done well out of it as the songwriters get the biggest share I believe. Then there’s the money from touring. He’s done well.
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Jun 14, 2019 11:09:34 GMT -5
It's also a safe bet that Liam and Warner's are partners with regards to touring so they fronted him some seed money and he cuts them in for a percentage of ticket sales and merch.
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