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Post by mrose on Oct 7, 2018 22:42:31 GMT -5
I don’t know if it has been the cover, but surely the accusations against Ronaldo should be on the front page, especially now with three (might be two more not sure) more women coming forward. Not the notification of a police inquiry. This story will probably keep going until they get the reaction they want.
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Post by goletitout1986 on Oct 8, 2018 3:31:46 GMT -5
Urgh
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Post by mrose on Oct 8, 2018 3:54:29 GMT -5
He’ll probably have to serve a community order and attend domestic abuse courses. As long as Debbie is actually okay, which from the outside it appears she is, then that’s all that matters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 3:57:52 GMT -5
I believe they could prosecute him if that was the case, but saying he could be arrested sounds bs.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 8, 2018 5:24:25 GMT -5
He’ll probably have to serve a community order and attend domestic abuse courses. As long as Debbie is actually okay, which from the outside it appears she is, then that’s all that matters. That would of course be on the assumption that the police could prove that any domestic abuse had actually taken place.
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Post by MONO on Oct 8, 2018 5:56:12 GMT -5
surely the accusations against Ronaldo should be on the front page You mean some kind of "instagram models" dancing with him closely in a club, then going to his hotel room not knowing what could happen there and afterwards accusing him of being a rapist, but accepting money to keep their mouths shut. Now years later, in the light of #meetoo the stories get unearthed again. Sounds totally credible to me... I'm sure they just wanted to have a look at his panini tarding cards collection and he raped them because he's so poor and ugly that this is the only way he can lay down some girls...
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 8, 2018 6:05:28 GMT -5
surely the accusations against Ronaldo should be on the front page You mean some kind of "instagram models" dancing with him closely in a club, then going to his hotel room not knowing what could happen there and afterwards accusing him of being a rapist, but accepting money to keep their mouths shut. Now years later, in the light of #meetoo the stories get unearthed again. Sounds totally credible to me... I'm sure they just wanted to have a look at his panini tarding cards collection and he raped them because he's so poor and ugly that this is the only way he can lay down some girls... Didn’t he basically admit in his first statement that there hadn’t been consent? That being the case what difference does the time or money make?
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Post by mrose on Oct 8, 2018 6:18:09 GMT -5
He’ll probably have to serve a community order and attend domestic abuse courses. As long as Debbie is actually okay, which from the outside it appears she is, then that’s all that matters. That would of course be on the assumption that the police could prove that any domestic abuse had actually taken place. I think the CCTV and if anyone who worked there can coroborate that Liam was acting aggressively and had an “angry disposition” that evening then that would be enough to have reasonable suspicion and could prosecute.
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Post by mrose on Oct 8, 2018 6:20:01 GMT -5
surely the accusations against Ronaldo should be on the front page You mean some kind of "instagram models" dancing with him closely in a club, then going to his hotel room not knowing what could happen there and afterwards accusing him of being a rapist, but accepting money to keep their mouths shut. Now years later, in the light of #meetoo the stories get unearthed again. Sounds totally credible to me... I'm sure they just wanted to have a look at his panini tarding cards collection and he raped them because he's so poor and ugly that this is the only way he can lay down some girls... aren’t there quite a few police reports and doctors reports/files claiming this as well not long after the incident. There’s also a confidential interview with Ronaldo, that he signed, saying she said no multiple times.
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Post by fartpanic on Oct 8, 2018 6:25:36 GMT -5
Not to change the topic too much - im all for things being rightly investigated but if Debbie is seen attempting to hit liam or even hitting Liam, would anyone have even told the police, let alone investigate?
Sounds trivial but im only 26 and ive seen 5 or 6 cases now of Women controlling good friends of mine to the extent where if it was a man doing these things (stopping them going out, making them spend their money, belittling them, hitting them even) then everyone around would be in uproar. But it seems to be the norm for women. Its laughed off as her wearing the trousers or him being "whipped".
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 8, 2018 6:26:30 GMT -5
That would of course be on the assumption that the police could prove that any domestic abuse had actually taken place. I think the CCTV and if anyone who worked there can coroborate that Liam was acting aggressively and had an “angry disposition” that evening then that would be enough to have reasonable suspicion and could prosecute. Well obviously not or not yet as no charges have seem to have been filed. Or you know more than the rest of us. You are making an assumption on a short, inconclusive bit of CCTV and a dodgy testimony from a bouncer. I need more than that and so do the police.
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Post by mrose on Oct 8, 2018 6:36:59 GMT -5
I think the CCTV and if anyone who worked there can coroborate that Liam was acting aggressively and had an “angry disposition” that evening then that would be enough to have reasonable suspicion and could prosecute. Well obviously not or not yet as no charges have seem to have been filed. Or you know more than the rest of us. You are making an assumption on a short, inconclusive bit of CCTV and a dodgy testimony from a bouncer. I need more than that and so do the police. Yeah I’m agreeing with you, what I’m saying is if after they have concluded their investigation if they can find anyone else to corroborate the bouncers testimony. As of today he’s got a cautionary, and he could be prosecuted. I’m assuming they will ask family and friends for a possible character witness, and for any other prior incidents, along with people at the club to build a file.
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Post by justaroundmidnight on Oct 8, 2018 7:08:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 7:11:54 GMT -5
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Post by mrose on Oct 8, 2018 7:26:18 GMT -5
literally every major news is on it, BBC, Sky, the independent, Daily Mail, the sun, the Daily star, etc. It was trending on twitter a little while ago. We’ll see what happens
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 8, 2018 8:23:33 GMT -5
Damn. I thought Liam escaped.
How long before #MeToo?
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Post by janedoe on Oct 8, 2018 10:28:13 GMT -5
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 8, 2018 10:40:25 GMT -5
Well obviously not or not yet as no charges have seem to have been filed. Or you know more than the rest of us. You are making an assumption on a short, inconclusive bit of CCTV and a dodgy testimony from a bouncer. I need more than that and so do the police. Yeah I’m agreeing with you, what I’m saying is if after they have concluded their investigation if they can find anyone else to corroborate the bouncers testimony. As of today he’s got a cautionary, and he could be prosecuted. I’m assuming they will ask family and friends for a possible character witness, and for any other prior incidents, along with people at the club to build a file. What I'm saying is that there's maybe very little investigating going on. The police calling you in for a chat about the incident doesn't necessarily mean they were looking to charge him. The time between the incident and him going down the station makes me think that an accusation/complaint was made to the police that given the footage they were duty bound to look in to. If I was being ultra cynical I might say this had be done to keep the story going.
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Post by IdlersDreamGirl on Oct 8, 2018 11:19:32 GMT -5
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Oct 8, 2018 11:20:18 GMT -5
Damn son, Liam done f'd up.
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 8, 2018 12:44:08 GMT -5
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Post by fartpanic on Oct 8, 2018 13:29:39 GMT -5
Really pisses me off that this went with no proper news channels or websites reporting it. Now the sun have managed to get that he went to the station to talk about it, they feel free to put it up everywhere.
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Post by mancraider on Oct 8, 2018 13:34:52 GMT -5
Yeah I’m agreeing with you, what I’m saying is if after they have concluded their investigation if they can find anyone else to corroborate the bouncers testimony. As of today he’s got a cautionary, and he could be prosecuted. I’m assuming they will ask family and friends for a possible character witness, and for any other prior incidents, along with people at the club to build a file. What I'm saying is that there's maybe very little investigating going on. The police calling you in for a chat about the incident doesn't necessarily mean they were looking to charge him. The time between the incident and him going down the station makes me think that an accusation/complaint was made to the police that given the footage they were duty bound to look in to. If I was being ultra cynical I might say this had be done to keep the story going. many years since I was in that position but usually what happens is they invite for initial interview then ask you report back in 30 days during which time they investigate the complaint and then at the end of that period they decide whether to charge you or not. It means nothing at this stage except that the police have received a complaint from someone. Once 30 days are up Liam will either be charged at that point or all chargeswill be dropped.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 8, 2018 14:31:24 GMT -5
What I'm saying is that there's maybe very little investigating going on. The police calling you in for a chat about the incident doesn't necessarily mean they were looking to charge him. The time between the incident and him going down the station makes me think that an accusation/complaint was made to the police that given the footage they were duty bound to look in to. If I was being ultra cynical I might say this had be done to keep the story going. many years since I was in that position but usually what happens is they invite for initial interview then ask you report back in 30 days during which time they investigate the complaint and then at the end of that period they decide whether to charge you or not. It means nothing at this stage except that the police have received a complaint from someone. Once 30 days are up Liam will either be charged at that point or all chargeswill be dropped. Interesting stuff. You may no better than me then but I was under the impression that because the footage was released to the public a member of the public or a witness could make a complaint based on what they have seen, it seems to work this way with slander, racial hatred etc. It just made me think that the reason he had been hauled in now, a month or more after the initial incident is because the complaint had been made by someone perhaps with an interest in the story continuing or put up to it at least. Or I might just have to put my tinfoil hat away
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Post by mancraider on Oct 8, 2018 16:34:30 GMT -5
many years since I was in that position but usually what happens is they invite for initial interview then ask you report back in 30 days during which time they investigate the complaint and then at the end of that period they decide whether to charge you or not. It means nothing at this stage except that the police have received a complaint from someone. Once 30 days are up Liam will either be charged at that point or all chargeswill be dropped. Interesting stuff. You may no better than me then but I was under the impression that because the footage was released to the public a member of the public or a witness could make a complaint based on what they have seen, it seems to work this way with slander, racial hatred etc. It just made me think that the reason he had been hauled in now, a month or more after the initial incident is because the complaint had been made by someone perhaps with an interest in the story continuing or put up to it at least. Or I might just have to put my tinfoil hat away I've no more idea about this particular case than anyone else but there is every chance it could be a third party making a complaint or it could be the police themselves deciding there is grounds for investigation due to the publicity surrounding it. However it's been brought to there attention they then have two decisions to make. 1. Is it worth further investigation, in which case they will interview relevant parties (and in this case because of the high profile I'd be surprised if they didn't feel pressure to at least be seen to investigate). And following this process, 2. Is there enough evidence to bring charges. It's certainly not beneath the morals of the tabloids to make a complaint just to create headlines. They are pure scumbags. That said I'd personally be very surprised if any charges come from this unless it was Debbie herself that was making the complaint, which it clearly isn't.
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