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Post by fartpanic on Oct 8, 2018 18:56:36 GMT -5
They must be thinking how the fuck did we manage to get ourselves in this situation right at the end of such a successful year.
Hope they both just stop drinking so much for a start. Both fucking paraletic on the footage.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Oct 8, 2018 22:53:16 GMT -5
none of our business...as usual.
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Post by universalgleam on Oct 8, 2018 23:30:30 GMT -5
I disagree that this case has anything to do with the me too movement. It’s a tabloid story made up to persecute a specific person they don’t like, and the “victim” they picked denied it first hand. Sadly, people are not choosing to believe her. Just look at her recent photos with Liam and how genuinely happy she is. She also posted a very warm message on Instagram on his birthday. There’s clearly no quarrel between these two, and why make her life miserable with all this publicity? Again, before any substantial charges come out I stand with Debbie.
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Post by universalgleam on Oct 8, 2018 23:50:59 GMT -5
They must be thinking how the fuck did we manage to get ourselves in this situation right at the end of such a successful year. Hope they both just stop drinking so much for a start. Both fucking paraletic on the footage. This is definitely unfortunate but two grown adults should have the freedom to get drunk without being demonized by people who don’t know them
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Post by janedoe on Oct 9, 2018 0:40:03 GMT -5
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Post by justaroundmidnight on Oct 9, 2018 1:28:20 GMT -5
↑↑↑↑ It hasn't, but LG's head looks like it's been photoshopped in.
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Post by chamu on Oct 9, 2018 2:49:10 GMT -5
Liam&crew are all clearly spending one of the best moments in their lives as a family. Even Lisa Moorish make comments on Debbie´s instagram posts. Why social media can´t leave people in peace?? It´s embarrasing...
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Post by IdlersDreamGirl on Oct 12, 2018 12:23:05 GMT -5
Thanks mimmihopps for moving my post over. About the video with Liam & Debbie: Please don't think I'm trying to make excuses for Liam (IF HE DID ANYTHING WRONG). I know that the picture/vid looks very suspect. My opinion: I've been watching a lot of interviews with Oasis/Liam/Noel lately. In nearly all of them, Liam uses his hands to talk. He waves his hands around quite a bit. The video below, pay attention to the shape that he puts his hand in while talking - even Noel notices it and makes fun of him. That reminded me of the part of the Chiltern vid where Liam turns around and his hand makes that same movement at/near/on Debbies' throat. I think that both were very drunk, she was following behind him. I don't think that she expected Liam to turn around when he did. I don't think he expected her to be so close behind him. I don't support abuse towards anyone. I just think it was truly an accident, and that if Liam was violent towards woman it would've come out a long time ago - considering how much the media dislike (bordering on hate) him. I'm not grasping at straws. I saw the vid a few days before the incident was released and thought about it again a few days ago. (Video length less than 8 minutes)
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Post by lalaland on Oct 12, 2018 17:17:20 GMT -5
Thanks mimmihopps for moving my post over. About the video with Liam & Debbie: Please don't think I'm trying to make excuses for Liam (IF HE DID ANYTHING WRONG). I know that the picture/vid looks very suspect. My opinion: I've been watching a lot of interviews with Oasis/Liam/Noel lately. In nearly all of them, Liam uses his hands to talk. He waves his hands around quite a bit. The video below, pay attention to the shape that he puts his hand in while talking - even Noel notices it and makes fun of him. That reminded me of the part of the Chiltern vid where Liam turns around and his hand makes that same movement at/near/on Debbies' throat. I think that both were very drunk, she was following behind him. I don't think that she expected Liam to turn around when he did. I don't think he expected her to be so close behind him. I don't support abuse towards anyone. I just think it was truly an accident, and that if Liam was violent towards woman it would've come out a long time ago - considering how much the media dislike (bordering on hate) him. I'm not grasping at straws. I saw the vid a few days before the incident was released and thought about it again a few days ago. (Video length less than 8 minutes)Lol thanks for that... You know... just in case anyone here was struggling to identify digits
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 13, 2018 15:52:32 GMT -5
In Liam’s defense, all his intentions were good.
Sorry.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Oct 13, 2018 17:00:35 GMT -5
Given that an allegation has been made and there is CCTV of the alleged incident, it's pretty much standard procedure for the police to investigate and interview him. It doesn't mean he's going to be prosecuted.
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Post by marla on Jul 19, 2020 12:20:53 GMT -5
1. Whether he's an abuser or not, the shitty footage and the tabloids paint him that way. It will tarnish whatever reputation he's built in the last year. No chance of recovery. Not in our current social climate where everybody is looking for a witch to burn. 2. The next thing that will happen is #MeToo. All those sideshow girls will come out of the woodwork for their 5 minutes of fame claiming he assaulted them too, regardless if he did or not. What a disaster. Two years later pretty much everyone forgot about it. Seems like Liam can get away with everything. Or he's not famous enough to cause a real scandal. Btw not cool the way you seem to dismiss #Metoo
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Post by Derrick on Jul 19, 2020 12:26:39 GMT -5
Two #1 albums since that instead.
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Post by Jack on Jul 19, 2020 12:27:15 GMT -5
1. Whether he's an abuser or not, the shitty footage and the tabloids paint him that way. It will tarnish whatever reputation he's built in the last year. No chance of recovery. Not in our current social climate where everybody is looking for a witch to burn. 2. The next thing that will happen is #MeToo. All those sideshow girls will come out of the woodwork for their 5 minutes of fame claiming he assaulted them too, regardless if he did or not. What a disaster. Two years later pretty much everyone forgot about it. Seems like Liam can get away with everything. Or he's not famous enough to cause a real scandal. Btw not cool the way you seem to dismiss #Metoo He didn't even do anything. His girlfriend even confirmed it was blown out of proportion.
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Post by freddy838 on Jul 19, 2020 12:37:19 GMT -5
Isnt Johnny Depp currently suing the same vagina who wrote this about Liam?
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Post by Jack on Jul 19, 2020 12:40:50 GMT -5
Isnt Johnny Depp currently suing the same vagina who wrote this about Liam? Probably. Isnt Johnny Depp currently being charged with assault, even though HE was abused be his ex?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 19, 2020 12:48:23 GMT -5
1. Whether he's an abuser or not, the shitty footage and the tabloids paint him that way. It will tarnish whatever reputation he's built in the last year. No chance of recovery. Not in our current social climate where everybody is looking for a witch to burn. 2. The next thing that will happen is #MeToo. All those sideshow girls will come out of the woodwork for their 5 minutes of fame claiming he assaulted them too, regardless if he did or not. What a disaster. Two years later pretty much everyone forgot about it. Seems like Liam can get away with everything. Or he's not famous enough to cause a real scandal. Btw not cool the way you seem to dismiss #Metoo #MeToo presumes guilt before innocence as it suits them. But suddenly when somebody like their preferred political candidate is accused, "let's just ignore him because its convenient for my bias." It's somewhat lacking of integrity.
I work off evidence, not finger pointing and he said, she said. And unfortunately, many people finger point and lie for the sake of gaining sympathy, even hopeful monetary compensation or perhaps just because the accuser is a truly vile person and enjoys destroying the lives of innocent people.
That's not to say all they point to are innocent, but enough are. The going narrative is, if it's a #MeToo, automatically believe them. I have higher standards than taking things on faith. Faith is the excuse people give when they have no good evidence. In my eyes, much like The Bible, it's entirely irrelevant that #MeToo can bring about some positive results, because the method it goes about to achieve it is fundamentally flawed and is not reliable and unfortunately, brings with it a lot of awful baggage that it cannot shake. I require a higher standard than faith.
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Post by Jack on Jul 19, 2020 12:52:01 GMT -5
Two years later pretty much everyone forgot about it. Seems like Liam can get away with everything. Or he's not famous enough to cause a real scandal. Btw not cool the way you seem to dismiss #Metoo #MeToo presumes guilt before innocence as it suits them. But suddenly when somebody like their preferred political candidate is accused, "let's just ignore him because its convenient for my bias." It's somewhat lacking of integrity.
I work off evidence, not finger pointing and he said, she said. And unfortunately, many people finger point and lie for the sake of gaining sympathy, even hopeful monetary compensation or perhaps just because the accuser is a truly vile person and enjoys destroying the lives of innocent people.
That's not to say all they point to are innocent, but enough are. The going narrative is, if it's a #MeToo, automatically believe them. I have higher standards than taking things on faith. Faith is the excuse people give when they have no good evidence. In my eyes, much like The Bible, it's entirely irrelevant that #MeToo can bring about some positive results, because the method it goes about to achieve it is fundamentally flawed and is not reliable and unfortunately, brings with it a lot of awful baggage that it cannot shake. I require a higher standard than faith.
Truth.
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Post by marla on Jul 19, 2020 12:55:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure what to think after seeing the video several times. In the beginning, where she blocks the way of him walking almost seems like they are joking. Then when she comes closer to him and he turns around - it "appears" like both of them misjudged the distance - BUT she looked startled/shocked. I feel like some kind of argument/disagreement happened before they came into view of the CCTV camera. I'm not making excuses for his behaviour - just trying to make sense of what I see in the video. It looks a bit choppy in parts. It's well known that Liams has been a serial cheater, but in all his years in the media eye, no female has ever accused him of abuse. I can't imagine that if he had a past history of violence towards women that it would've been made public before now. I do find it odd/sad that neither Nicole nor Patsy have come forward to say that he wasn't abusive or even say he WAS abusive! Crickets from them both! They had been eager in the past to talk about how his cheating affected them....why the silence now? I think that Liam not saying anything at all will make it worse. Come out, admit that he got upset with Debbie but didn't mean to hurt her, it was an accident - something! And this just reminds everyone why Noel left in the first place, like anyone who remembers (or has seen enough videos, read enough interviews) Oasis in the 90s/00s won't remember Liam and his temper. IF there is abuse, I feel bad for Debbie wanting to stay. I feel bad for Peggy, having to deal with his at her age. I also feel bad for Liam - being compared (maybe wrongly) to the father he hates so much and possibly (but I hope not) ruining his so far amazing comeback. Since the breakup of Oasis, I have thought that their father must enjoy the fact that Liam and Noel don't talk - especially as he hated Noel so much. Sorry if this come two years later but I remember that Liam was accused of grabbing the butt of an air hostess back in the early 2000s.
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Post by marla on Jul 19, 2020 13:06:57 GMT -5
Two years later pretty much everyone forgot about it. Seems like Liam can get away with everything. Or he's not famous enough to cause a real scandal. Btw not cool the way you seem to dismiss #Metoo #MeToo presumes guilt before innocence as it suits them. But suddenly when somebody like their preferred political candidate is accused, "let's just ignore him because its convenient for my bias." It's somewhat lacking of integrity.
I work off evidence, not finger pointing and he said, she said. And unfortunately, many people finger point and lie for the sake of gaining sympathy, even hopeful monetary compensation or perhaps just because the accuser is a truly vile person and enjoys destroying the lives of innocent people.
That's not to say all they point to are innocent, but enough are. The going narrative is, if it's a #MeToo, automatically believe them. I have higher standards than taking things on faith. Faith is the excuse people give when they have no good evidence. In my eyes, much like The Bible, it's entirely irrelevant that #MeToo can bring about some positive results, because the method it goes about to achieve it is fundamentally flawed and is not reliable and unfortunately, brings with it a lot of awful baggage that it cannot shake. I require a higher standard than faith. That not what #Metoo was about. It's about woman finally coming forward after years of being silent out of fear and society finally opening it's eyes on how woman are treated in the workplace and how common sexual assault is. It's about starting to take those accusations seriously after years of "she secretly wanted it", "why didn't she come forward before" (million reasons for that btw), "she teased him".....Rape/sexual assault in general is a very difficult thing to prove. Usually, you're too traumatized to go see the police the first days, and if you finally gather up the courage than chances are all traces are gone. There might a minority of woman who are doing for the wrong reason but it should not dismiss the whole movement.
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Post by marla on Jul 19, 2020 14:01:42 GMT -5
Two years later pretty much everyone forgot about it. Seems like Liam can get away with everything. Or he's not famous enough to cause a real scandal. Btw not cool the way you seem to dismiss #Metoo He didn't even do anything. His girlfriend even confirmed it was blown out of proportion. I didn't say he did, but celebrities nowadays get cancelled for far lesser things (it rarely lasts mind you) and it's weird that it had 0 repercussion, knowing that Liam was once accused of groping an air hostess (so it's not the first time something shady happened bewteen him and a woman). Noel literally trended on Twitter because 25 years ago he called Michael Hutchence a has-been, after Michael slagged them off publicly (which never gets said).
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Post by Jack on Jul 19, 2020 14:19:45 GMT -5
He didn't even do anything. His girlfriend even confirmed it was blown out of proportion. I didn't say he did, but celebrities nowadays get cancelled for far lesser things (it rarely lasts mind you) and it's weird that it had 0 repercussion, knowing that Liam was once accused of groping an air hostess (so it's not the first time something shady happened bewteen him and a woman). Noel literally trended on Twitter because 25 years ago he called Michael Hutchence a has-been, after Michael slagged them off publicly (which never gets said). Celeb stories change every week. Unless it's a major crime that's been committed, a celeb story will be forgotten about when the next one comes along. Chris Brown basically got away with beating Rhianna half to death, whilst Louis C.K got cancelled for being inappropriate (but not criminal) around women. It depends on who you are, how much money you have and how the media portrays you, weather or not you're cancelled.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 19, 2020 15:02:21 GMT -5
That not what #Metoo was about. It's about woman finally coming forward after years of being silent out of fear and society finally opening it's eyes on how woman are treated in the workplace and how common sexual assault is. It's about starting to take those accusations seriously after years of "she secretly wanted it", "why didn't she come forward before" (million reasons for that btw), "she teased him".....Rape/sexual assault in general is a very difficult thing to prove. Usually, you're too traumatized to go see the police the first days, and if you finally gather up the courage than chances are all traces are gone. There might a minority of woman who are doing for the wrong reason but it should not dismiss the whole movement. Sure, it didn't start out that way. But that is what it became nonetheless and should be judged accordingly. It became a witchhunt movement which in my opinion, hurt the general concept more than it gave aid. The central problem with the movement is that it was a minority of women and men poisoning the majority of followers. This being the direct result of presuming guilt before innocence, or using faith instead of evidence.
But in all fairness, it's primarily the consequence of poor education overall. It's the same sort of mindset that creates these debates over whether or not covid-19 is a hoax or whether or not to wear masks and social distance. As far as I am concerned, ignorance and poor critical thinking is rapidly destroying America.
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Post by Jack on Jul 19, 2020 15:17:36 GMT -5
Sure, it didn't start out that way. But that is what it became nonetheless and should be judged accordingly. It became a witchhunt movement which in my opinion, hurt the general concept more than it gave aid. The central problem with the movement is that it was a minority of women and men poisoning the majority of followers. This being the direct result of presuming guilt before innocence, or using faith instead of evidence. But in all fairness, it's primarily the consequence of poor education overall. It's the same sort of mindset that creates these debates over whether or not covid-19 is a hoax or whether or not to wear masks and social distance. As far as I am concerned, ignorance and poor critical thinking is rapidly destroying America.
The world, not just America.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 19, 2020 15:18:03 GMT -5
Sure, it didn't start out that way. But that is what it became nonetheless and should be judged accordingly. It became a witchhunt movement which in my opinion, hurt the general concept more than it gave aid. The central problem with the movement is that it was a minority of women and men poisoning the majority of followers. This being the direct result of presuming guilt before innocence, or using faith instead of evidence. But in all fairness, it's primarily the consequence of poor education overall. It's the same sort of mindset that creates these debates over whether or not covid-19 is a hoax or whether or not to wear masks and social distance. As far as I am concerned, ignorance and poor critical thinking is rapidly destroying America.
The world, not just America. Too true.
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