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Post by revol on Dec 29, 2017 13:47:19 GMT -5
OK, I might have been known here as a person who prefers Noel's music and I've actually rated the older brother's album better. However, I've been through some really rough shit recently, details are irrelevant here, but - to my surprise - I have found Liam's album more "helpful" and closer to me when I needed some tunes to help me get through. Is it because it's closer to Oasis - the love of my life? Don't know. All I know, or rather FEEL, is that As You Were made me want to move on. Still, "Universal Gleam" is shite
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Post by frogerz on Dec 29, 2017 13:49:20 GMT -5
The power of music is still alive and well then! Spot on with Universal Gleam, it's bang average on the record and just drags on live.
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Post by playthehitsgetoff on Dec 29, 2017 14:33:12 GMT -5
Hope u feel better soon Revol. Music can be very theraputic, it's helped me so much over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 17:33:16 GMT -5
At the risk of getting all natural mystic, I believe Liam's album is imbued with the energy of a humbled man who was back at the beginning and found a renewed passion and hunger to get back to doing what he does best. People going through struggles in life may relate to that energy a little more. Or it could just be that it's got a lot of great fuckin' tunes. I'll say both.
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Post by rickypaglais on Dec 29, 2017 18:52:09 GMT -5
Universal Gleam is ace.
But that's all subjective. Music is fucking music man. No matter what it is, nobody should ever feel that they should have to justify what they like. It fucking pisses me off. If it means something to you, if it helps you out any way whatsoever; it's done its fucking job. Doesn't matter who it is, doesn't matter what it is.
There's more power in music than anything. We're all here as Oasis fans, but it doesn't matter if it's Noel or Liam or Cat Stevens. If it affects you, it's powerful. People need to respect that.
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Post by rickypaglais on Dec 29, 2017 18:54:01 GMT -5
At the risk of getting all natural mystic, I believe Liam's album is imbued with the energy of a humbled man who was back at the beginning and found a renewed passion and hunger to get back to doing what he does best. People going through struggles in life may relate to that energy a little more. Or it could just be that it's got a lot of great fuckin' tunes. I'll say both. It's funny you should say that, because I'm currently listening to Beady Eye, and it sounds more like a humble man. As You Were almost sounds like it knows it's good. Both BE albums hope you think they're good. I love all 3
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 18:56:39 GMT -5
At the risk of getting all natural mystic, I believe Liam's album is imbued with the energy of a humbled man who was back at the beginning and found a renewed passion and hunger to get back to doing what he does best. People going through struggles in life may relate to that energy a little more. Or it could just be that it's got a lot of great fuckin' tunes. I'll say both. Same with SOTSOG
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 19:13:58 GMT -5
At the risk of getting all natural mystic, I believe Liam's album is imbued with the energy of a humbled man who was back at the beginning and found a renewed passion and hunger to get back to doing what he does best. People going through struggles in life may relate to that energy a little more. Or it could just be that it's got a lot of great fuckin' tunes. I'll say both. Same with SOTSOG Personally I loved the vulnerability Noel showed with the writing of many songs on that album. Felt like he had something real and relatable to say in songs like Gas Panic and Where Did It All Go Wrong? Interesting to contemplate where Liam was at that time, also starting to be more introspective perhaps given he started writing songs regularly around the recording of that album.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 19:23:51 GMT -5
At the risk of getting all natural mystic, I believe Liam's album is imbued with the energy of a humbled man who was back at the beginning and found a renewed passion and hunger to get back to doing what he does best. People going through struggles in life may relate to that energy a little more. Or it could just be that it's got a lot of great fuckin' tunes. I'll say both. It's funny you should say that, because I'm currently listening to Beady Eye, and it sounds more like a humble man. As You Were almost sounds like it knows it's good. Both BE albums hope you think they're good. I love all 3 Beady Eye was the making of Liam IMO. He and the band actually did great work during that era but it wasn't widely appreciated by mainstream audiences and he needed to get that sort of humbling. It's quite likely he took success for granted during his time in Oasis. Looking back it seems to me that the big problem with that band was timing because I actually think they had a lot of good tunes. Noel went away for a couple of years then came back with his own name on the marquee as a solo artist, it felt like a new era, like an event. That's what Liam should have done too, put his name up there and not got lost in a non descript band name and a line up that would always be considered Oasis without the integral Noel Gallagher. We know now that Liam's name means far more from a marketing perspective and freshening things up with new collaborators is a good thing for him. But I'm glad he went through a bit of a humbling, his success now will taste just that little bit sweeter.
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Post by rickypaglais on Dec 29, 2017 19:31:00 GMT -5
It's funny you should say that, because I'm currently listening to Beady Eye, and it sounds more like a humble man. As You Were almost sounds like it knows it's good. Both BE albums hope you think they're good. I love all 3 Beady Eye was the making of Liam IMO. He and the band actually did great work during that era but it wasn't widely appreciated by mainstream audiences and he needed to get that sort of humbling. It's quite likely he took success for granted during his time in Oasis. Looking back it seems to me that the big problem with that band was timing because I actually think they had a lot of good tunes. Noel went away for a couple of years then came back with his own name on the marquee as a solo artist, it felt like a new era, like an event. That's what Liam should have done too, put his name up there and not got lost in a non descript band name and a line up that would always be considered Oasis without the integral Noel Gallagher. We know now that Liam's name means far more from a marketing perspective and freshening things up with new collaborators is a good thing for him. But I'm glad he went through a bit of a humbling, his success now will taste just that little bit sweeter. I completely agree, apart from I think that Liam was lacking in confidence so much that he had to go with Beady Eye rather than Liam Gallagher. You could see from his late performances in Oasis that he was struggling and knew that he wasn't up to scratch. I don't think he was in a position to put his name on the line as Liam Gallagher.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 19:48:52 GMT -5
Beady Eye was the making of Liam IMO. He and the band actually did great work during that era but it wasn't widely appreciated by mainstream audiences and he needed to get that sort of humbling. It's quite likely he took success for granted during his time in Oasis. Looking back it seems to me that the big problem with that band was timing because I actually think they had a lot of good tunes. Noel went away for a couple of years then came back with his own name on the marquee as a solo artist, it felt like a new era, like an event. That's what Liam should have done too, put his name up there and not got lost in a non descript band name and a line up that would always be considered Oasis without the integral Noel Gallagher. We know now that Liam's name means far more from a marketing perspective and freshening things up with new collaborators is a good thing for him. But I'm glad he went through a bit of a humbling, his success now will taste just that little bit sweeter. I completely agree, apart from I think that Liam was lacking in confidence so much that he had to go with Beady Eye rather than Liam Gallagher. You could see from his late performances in Oasis that he was struggling and knew that he wasn't up to scratch. I don't think he was in a position to put his name on the line as Liam Gallagher. Sounds about right that, he was struggling so much with his voice in those final Oasis years. His humbling began earlier than Beady Eye, thinking about it. It's been good for him though.
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Post by rickypaglais on Dec 29, 2017 19:52:24 GMT -5
I completely agree, apart from I think that Liam was lacking in confidence so much that he had to go with Beady Eye rather than Liam Gallagher. You could see from his late performances in Oasis that he was struggling and knew that he wasn't up to scratch. I don't think he was in a position to put his name on the line as Liam Gallagher. Sounds about right that, he was struggling so much with his voice in those final Oasis years. His humbling began earlier than Beady Eye, thinking about it. It's been good for him though. Well the way I see it is Liam Gallagher of 2017 is of far more value than 2002-2016 Liam Gallagher, in the eye of the public.
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Post by cigarsinhell on Dec 29, 2017 20:31:51 GMT -5
Beady Eye was the making of Liam IMO. He and the band actually did great work during that era but it wasn't widely appreciated by mainstream audiences and he needed to get that sort of humbling. It's quite likely he took success for granted during his time in Oasis. Looking back it seems to me that the big problem with that band was timing because I actually think they had a lot of good tunes. Noel went away for a couple of years then came back with his own name on the marquee as a solo artist, it felt like a new era, like an event. That's what Liam should have done too, put his name up there and not got lost in a non descript band name and a line up that would always be considered Oasis without the integral Noel Gallagher. We know now that Liam's name means far more from a marketing perspective and freshening things up with new collaborators is a good thing for him. But I'm glad he went through a bit of a humbling, his success now will taste just that little bit sweeter. I completely agree, apart from I think that Liam was lacking in confidence so much that he had to go with Beady Eye rather than Liam Gallagher. You could see from his late performances in Oasis that he was struggling and knew that he wasn't up to scratch. I don't think he was in a position to put his name on the line as Liam Gallagher. Good assessment. I also think he was in shock from being suddenly sacked by Noel--who was ready and prepared well in advance to dump all the public blame on him--and felt safer/more comfortable with his other mates from Oasis at that time. I thought Beady Eye were great, adored the second album. But the chosen name of the band wasn't the best and while I understand the decision not to play Oasis music, it wasn't in the lads' best interests. But, yes, the new solo songs feel like they had creative input from Liam (who but a Gallagher could come up with a line like "The cops are taking over while everyone's in yoga"); the pros clearly had more than one conversation with Our Kid and understood his heart and what he truly wanted to express and share. It feels very relate-able to me, too. Wishing you a better 2018, Revol! Wishing us ALL a better 2018!
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Post by NicOasis on Dec 29, 2017 22:08:21 GMT -5
I'm glad everyones enjoying Liams album but this is the most disappointing album for me. I will say Come Back To Me is the best Gallagher song of 2017. Also Universal Gleam (Live) is the 2nd best song for me on this album.
As long as we're on the topic of emotional stuff, days before Noels album dropped a friend of mine passed on and I can't help but think of them when I listen to it but it helps me cope with it too.
Good year for Liam and Noel I like to think. Looking forward to their future endeavors.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Dec 30, 2017 18:28:08 GMT -5
I agree, I think Beady Eye had to happen and was the making of him. He couldn't have had the success he's having now coming straight out of Oasis.
Beady Eye was a funny one, they had a ready made audience and sold out their first tour within minutes simply because of Liam, but I don't think they were ever likely to attract any new fans simply because Liam was such a divisive figure at the time. Still think they made mistakes in the beginning though - mainly releasing Bring The Light over Four Letter Word which turned a lot of Oasis fans off. You can see the difference it's made now releasing an Oasis sounding lead single that appeals to the Oasis crowd.
Gem's accident and Liam's divorce killed off all of the momentum after BE.
A lot of time has passed since the split though, there's a generation of kids out there just getting into Oasis now who missed them the first time round - Liam caters to that market perfectly.
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Post by space75gr on Jan 4, 2018 2:46:27 GMT -5
...However, I've been through some really rough shit recently, details are irrelevant here, but - to my surprise - I have found Liam's album..."helpful" and closer to me when I needed some tunes to help me get through....Don't know. All I know, or rather FEEL, is that As You Were made me want to move on... Same for me mate! Somehow all that LG comeback story and AYW album gave me a lot of strength n hope to get through that horrible year in personal level....it was a reason to forget, to be happy , to believe...in resurrection...n reach some kind of hapiness. To believe in myself, for better things to come...anyway.. Thank you Liam for that. Watching Liam live in Alexandra palace it was a dream...it was a proof that dreams can come true...if you really want it...in every level of my life...
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Post by jimmyneutron on Jan 4, 2018 4:30:50 GMT -5
I love Universal Gleam
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Jan 4, 2018 8:30:00 GMT -5
I completely agree, apart from I think that Liam was lacking in confidence so much that he had to go with Beady Eye rather than Liam Gallagher. You could see from his late performances in Oasis that he was struggling and knew that he wasn't up to scratch. I don't think he was in a position to put his name on the line as Liam Gallagher. who but a Gallagher could come up with a line like "The cops are taking over while everyone's in yoga"
Andrew Wyatt? isn't it his song? Anyway, I think the biggest problem for Beady Eye was that everyone just saw it as Oasis without Noel. I don't think their songs were much good anyway but even so, it's very difficult for a band to be judged objectively when it's essentially the band they were in last, minus the main songwriter. The one thing most people were ever going to talk about was how they miss Noel's talents. Beady Eye were on a hiding to nothing from the start really and it was never going to really work unless they created something different and brilliant from the off, which they simply didn't. I understand that Noel and Liam as solo artists will always still get compared to their Oasis work but people see it a bit differently when it's a solo venture and they're out on their own. The best thing Liam did was take some time out and then go solo with no ties to Oasis except himself. His work now is being judged on it's own merit for the most part.
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Post by cigarsinhell on Jan 5, 2018 21:12:59 GMT -5
I listened to both "BE" amd "AYW" on the drive home from work today, and noticed that Liam's voice often got mixed down too low on "BE". "AYW" is more of a vocal showcase for him.
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