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Post by jxing on Oct 29, 2017 12:39:49 GMT -5
Which one is the most popular? Graham Norton or jools? Graham Norton will probably get at least triple Jools Holland's viewership, but they're different types of programme. Norton is a BBC1 talk show late on a Friday night whereas Jools Holland is basically the only programme left just for music lovers on BBC2. Thanks. I watch Norton's show occasionally bc it's on BBCAmerica. I'm really hoping that he comes off better than the previous interviews. he just looked so miserable, maybe he was hung over. I don't want to hear the eagle vs pigeon metaphor, or the bs about The parka monkeys. And for the love of god, I really hope he doesn't mention bono or Weller. I want to see the same passion that he had in the FK behind the scenes video. And I desperately, want him to make me laugh! I can't remember the last time, I laughed at One of his interviews.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 29, 2017 12:52:35 GMT -5
I just can't think of a better way to promote a new single and album then dropping Beautiful World this coming Friday and then having your performance of it that Saturday. I mean am I bonkers for thinking like this?!?!?!?!?!?!? Noel gives zero fucks, and I kinda like it that way. He gave at least one or two fucks when he moved the release date for his album back to avoid clashing with Taylor Swift's.
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Post by RocketMan on Oct 29, 2017 13:18:35 GMT -5
Noel gives zero fucks, and I kinda like it that way. He gave at least one or two fucks when he moved the release date for his album back to avoid clashing with Taylor Swift's. uuuuuh look what i made noely doooo
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Post by walterglass on Oct 29, 2017 13:28:38 GMT -5
The big problem for me with the “Parka Monkeys” episode is that you have a fella who has in the past appeared to base some pride in being from a working class background adopting the kind of sneering attitude you’d more expect from some bitter curmudgeon of the right-wing press. Those bods have other terms - chav, benefit claimants etc - but the fundamental message is the same: you’re unimportant, you’re inferior, you’re disposable. A message that is diametrically at odds with what we were sold with Oasis. The message then was about possibility and inclusivity. And that is why the response on social media was so vociferous. What Noel did was diametrically at odds with what we’d fiercely held dear and bought into in days gone by. In short: rightly or wrongly people feel hoodwinked. He’s always had a sharp tongue - something we’ve been amused by in the past, rightly or wrongly - but it’s bad form making people who hold/held him in high regard the target; people whose greatest crime would appear to be that they’re fans of his brother. Liam has muttered similar musings in the past, all be it on a much more coarse yet grounded and less haughty level. The question to Liam fans then is what is the difference? I only speak for myself but I sincerely feel that context is ultimately the difference. They’re very different souls. One appears warm, the other cold. One appears humble, the other aloof. One appears a playful soul, the other a curmudgeon. If those characteristics are taken on board - and they don’t have to be - but if they are, then it goes a long way to explaining why people react very differently to Liam than they do to Noel Gallagher.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 29, 2017 14:13:13 GMT -5
The big problem for me with the “Parka Monkeys” episode is that you have a fella who has in the past appeared to base some pride in being from a working class background adopting the kind of sneering attitude you’d more expect from some bitter curmudgeon of the right-wing press. Those bods have other terms - chav, benefit claimants etc - but the fundamental message is the same: you’re unimportant, you’re inferior, you’re disposable. A message that is diametrically at odds with what we were sold with Oasis. The message then was about possibility and inclusivity. And that is why the response on social media was so vociferous. What Noel did was diametrically at odds with what we’d fiercely held dear and bought into in days gone by. In short: rightly or wrongly people feel hoodwinked. He’s always had a sharp tongue - something we’ve been amused by in the past, rightly or wrongly - but it’s bad form making people who hold/held him in high regard the target; people whose greatest crime would appear to be that they’re fans of his brother. Liam has muttered similar musings in the past, all be it on a much more coarse yet grounded and less haughty level. The question to Liam fans then is what is the difference? I only speak for myself but I sincerely feel that context is ultimately the difference. They’re very different souls. One appears warm, the other cold. One appears humble, the other aloof. One appears a playful soul, the other a curmudgeon. If those characteristics are taken on board - and they don’t have to be - but if they are, then it goes a long way to explaining why people react very differently to Liam than they do to Noel Gallagher. Good point. The general consensus is that Noel is the intelligent one, the deep thinker of the two, so when he hurls an insult or two, even in supposed jest, you get the impression there is a half truth behind it somewhere. Liam on the other hand just says whatever enters his head there and then and blurts it out, without any calculations or hidden meanings, which is why any insults from him don't seem as potent or provocative. Having said all that, I am not in the slightest bit offended by the Parka Monkey comment. Why would I? Noel is a rock star and I like his music. He doesn't know me personally, he doesn't know if I like wearing parkas, or if I don't like his new album, and I don't know him personally either. I would only take offence to someone who knew me personally, and then decided to hurl an insult at me. Let's get things in perspective here.
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Post by walterglass on Oct 29, 2017 14:52:38 GMT -5
The big problem for me with the “Parka Monkeys” episode is that you have a fella who has in the past appeared to base some pride in being from a working class background adopting the kind of sneering attitude you’d more expect from some bitter curmudgeon of the right-wing press. Those bods have other terms - chav, benefit claimants etc - but the fundamental message is the same: you’re unimportant, you’re inferior, you’re disposable. A message that is diametrically at odds with what we were sold with Oasis. The message then was about possibility and inclusivity. And that is why the response on social media was so vociferous. What Noel did was diametrically at odds with what we’d fiercely held dear and bought into in days gone by. In short: rightly or wrongly people feel hoodwinked. He’s always had a sharp tongue - something we’ve been amused by in the past, rightly or wrongly - but it’s bad form making people who hold/held him in high regard the target; people whose greatest crime would appear to be that they’re fans of his brother. Liam has muttered similar musings in the past, all be it on a much more coarse yet grounded and less haughty level. The question to Liam fans then is what is the difference? I only speak for myself but I sincerely feel that context is ultimately the difference. They’re very different souls. One appears warm, the other cold. One appears humble, the other aloof. One appears a playful soul, the other a curmudgeon. If those characteristics are taken on board - and they don’t have to be - but if they are, then it goes a long way to explaining why people react very differently to Liam than they do to Noel Gallagher. Good point. The general consensus is that Noel is the intelligent one, the deep thinker of the two, so when he hurls an insult or two, even in supposed jest, you get the impression there is a half truth behind it somewhere. Liam on the other hand just says whatever enters his head there and then and blurts it out, without any calculations or hidden meanings, which is why any insults from him don't seem as potent or provocative. Having said all that, I am not in the slightest bit offended by the Parka Monkey comment. Why would I? Noel is a rock star and I like his music. He doesn't know me personally, he doesn't know if I like wearing parkas, or if I don't like his new album, and I don't know him personally either. I would only take offence to someone who knew me personally, and then decided to hurl an insult at me. Let's get things in perspective here. Do you think the reaction has been OTT? Personally I don’t think I’ve seen it get past people expressing how they feel he’s been a bit of a dick.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 29, 2017 15:57:35 GMT -5
Christ, is this still going on? So boring..
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 29, 2017 16:19:36 GMT -5
I just can't think of a better way to promote a new single and album then dropping Beautiful World this coming Friday and then having your performance of it that Saturday. I mean am I bonkers for thinking like this?!?!?!?!?!?!? Noel gives zero fucks, and I kinda like it that way. Found the Trump supporter.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Oct 29, 2017 16:49:55 GMT -5
Christ, is this still going on? So boring.. Let me mansplain something to you: you need to get a cat. Thanks.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 29, 2017 18:14:54 GMT -5
I dont like the way that the "new" sound has allowed him to basically hide behind the idea of if you dont get it, you only listen to Oasis and Stone Roses and you are a monkey.
Holy Mountain split opinion on here. But i didnt hear any of the criticism being oh my god i hear a flute, this is automatically shit. The criticisms were very much what they would be if this was a straight up Noel by numbers guitar track. The lyrics, the melody, the ricky martin stuff etc.
I like to think 90% of this forum would listen to far more music genres than Noel would have the rest of the world think of Oasis fans.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 30, 2017 5:34:58 GMT -5
I dont like the way that the "new" sound has allowed him to basically hide behind the idea of if you dont get it, you only listen to Oasis and Stone Roses and you are a monkey. Holy Mountain split opinion on here. But i didnt hear any of the criticism being oh my god i hear a flute, this is automatically shit. The criticisms were very much what they would be if this was a straight up Noel by numbers guitar track. The lyrics, the melody, the ricky martin stuff etc. I like to think 90% of this forum would listen to far more music genres than Noel would have the rest of the world think of Oasis fans. I agree with this, and people on this forum tend to explain why they do or don't like things, but Parka Monkeys do actually exist It's just not very nice for Noel to say it and to make such a generalization
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Post by tcole on Oct 30, 2017 5:35:13 GMT -5
I just can't think of a better way to promote a new single and album then dropping Beautiful World this coming Friday and then having your performance of it that Saturday. I mean am I bonkers for thinking like this?!?!?!?!?!?!? Unless Beautiful World is even more divisive than the other two songs, maybe they're thinking towards damage control; a Nov.10 release won't get as much exposure before the album drops as it would this Friday
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Post by tcole on Oct 30, 2017 5:40:40 GMT -5
I dont like the way that the "new" sound has allowed him to basically hide behind the idea of if you dont get it, you only listen to Oasis and Stone Roses and you are a monkey. Holy Mountain split opinion on here. But i didnt hear any of the criticism being oh my god i hear a flute, this is automatically shit. The criticisms were very much what they would be if this was a straight up Noel by numbers guitar track. The lyrics, the melody, the ricky martin stuff etc. I like to think 90% of this forum would listen to far more music genres than Noel would have the rest of the world think of Oasis fans. I think it's a bit of a cop-out by Noel, a way to keep the die-hards on board by labeling anyone not a parka monkey. I listen to lots of different genres, including dance etc. I don't not like this because it's dance, I just don't think it's a good song. Also the drill/alarm in Fort Knox is the most annoying thing ever
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 30, 2017 6:57:07 GMT -5
I dont like the way that the "new" sound has allowed him to basically hide behind the idea of if you dont get it, you only listen to Oasis and Stone Roses and you are a monkey. Holy Mountain split opinion on here. But i didnt hear any of the criticism being oh my god i hear a flute, this is automatically shit. The criticisms were very much what they would be if this was a straight up Noel by numbers guitar track. The lyrics, the melody, the ricky martin stuff etc. I like to think 90% of this forum would listen to far more music genres than Noel would have the rest of the world think of Oasis fans. I think it's a bit of a cop-out by Noel, a way to keep the die-hards on board by labeling anyone not a parka monkey. I listen to lots of different genres, including dance etc. I don't not like this because it's dance, I just don't think it's a good song. Also the drill/alarm in Fort Knox is the most annoying thing ever Exactly. I think Ballad Of The mighty I was just as un-oasis like as holy mountain really when you consider it doesn't have a particularly big chorus and uses a riff very unlike any Oasis song. Where as i dont think that song was anything mind blowing, it certainly went down better because people enjoyed the actual song. Theres been a lot made of Noels arrogance lately. Some saying he has always been like it. Some saying its a new, more cycnical noel spitting on the fans who made him what he is. Where as i have tended to lean towards the latter, maybe its just a case of realising how bad the arrogance is when he turns it towards you (a fan who isnt on board with his new music). Before it was always aimed at the people outside of "team noel" or "team oasis"
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 30, 2017 7:27:40 GMT -5
I'm more worried about a Nov. 10th release date for It's Beautiful World. That's incredibly close to the album release. I think he's taking it as a given that this won't be his biggest seller, so he's doing whatever he wants. WBTM is gonna be a full-album listening experience, it seems, so singles are almost superfluous. This is Noel's "prog" album, in a way. No way to make "Supper's Ready" into a single.
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 30, 2017 7:36:02 GMT -5
Christ, is this still going on? So boring.. It's almost like Noel deliberately chose inflammatory terms to needle the fanbase and got a reaction. Crazy world. Liam attacks Noel, as a rule. Not always, but "shit fans" is as far as he went, and when a Noel fan shows up at his gig with an "I love U Noel" sign, it kinda validates him. Noel went after his own fans. That's why fans give Liam a pass: He seems to be laughing WITH his fans, not AT them. Noel has some things to learn from his supposedly uncouth, unsophisticated brother when it comes to dealing with the people that made them wealthy in the first place.
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Post by andymorris on Oct 30, 2017 9:27:16 GMT -5
Are you supposed to like every one of your fans then ? Some Oasis fans are fucking idiots. Way more than any other act i've seen live. I believe Noel is mainly referring to those people, the one who think pissing in bottles and throwing them at other people is funny, or the ones who are so annoying they can ruin the gig of all the people around them. Those are the Parka Monkeys, and they are rarely Noel enthusiasts. Idiots are idiots, fans or not.
They are in the minority, though, so they did not exactly make them rich. Maybe a thousand pounds here and there in the past 20 years. Big deal.
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 30, 2017 9:30:28 GMT -5
Are you supposed to like every one of your fans then ? Some Oasis fans are fucking idiots. Way more than any other act i've seen live. I believe Noel is mainly referring to those people, the one who think pissing in bottles and throwing them at other people is funny, or the ones who are so annoying they can ruin the gig of all the people around them. Those are the Parka Monkeys, and they are rarely Noel enthusiasts. Idiots are idiots, fans or not. They are in the minority, though, so they did not exactly make them rich. Maybe a thousand pounds here and there in the past 20 years. Big deal. "Parka monkey" is already being used here quite liberally by some of the same people who used to whine about Liam calling his brother "potato". That's the problem with epithets aimed at nebulous targets: It will be applied to any one person at some point or another. No one needs to love their fans, but it's probably a bad idea to antagonize them when you're selling $300 concert packages.
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Post by tcole on Oct 30, 2017 11:29:57 GMT -5
I think it's a bit of a cop-out by Noel, a way to keep the die-hards on board by labeling anyone not a parka monkey. I listen to lots of different genres, including dance etc. I don't not like this because it's dance, I just don't think it's a good song. Also the drill/alarm in Fort Knox is the most annoying thing ever Exactly. I think Ballad Of The mighty I was just as un-oasis like as holy mountain really when you consider it doesn't have a particularly big chorus and uses a riff very unlike any Oasis song. Where as i dont think that song was anything mind blowing, it certainly went down better because people enjoyed the actual song. Theres been a lot made of Noels arrogance lately. Some saying he has always been like it. Some saying its a new, more cycnical noel spitting on the fans who made him what he is. Where as i have tended to lean towards the latter, maybe its just a case of realising how bad the arrogance is when he turns it towards you (a fan who isnt on board with his new music). Before it was always aimed at the people outside of "team noel" or "team oasis" That's a good point. Really don't understand why he feels the need to spit on the fans who supported him since 2011,just because you're changing styles doesn't mean you have to verbally alienate half your fans also.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 30, 2017 11:31:08 GMT -5
Even the worst of "parka monkeys" that i've met on nights out, ive had a fucking good night and they all seem to enjoy shoegaze and other shit i listen to. Dont think ive met the stereotypical onlu listen to Oasis and Roses lad. Sure there is them but i think it's every bit as insulting as to say it would be to say a lads only into hip-hop cos he has snoop dogs latest trackie on.
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Post by tcole on Oct 30, 2017 11:39:26 GMT -5
The thing that worries me most about this album is that when you're releasing music almost entirely different than the genre you're known for, surely you'd want to lead with the strongest tracks. After listening to HM and FK I really hope these aren't the strongest
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Post by standbymoi on Oct 30, 2017 11:55:15 GMT -5
Kids haven't been wearing polka dot scarfs for a good 10 years since all the land fill indie bands were around. Don't know what he's on about there.
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Post by walrus91 on Oct 30, 2017 12:11:29 GMT -5
Without the parka monkeys he wouldn't be a millionaire and doing what he loves for a living .. people who have supported him for 20 years and he just throws jabs... he said it's not a rock album ..guess he likes dressing like a old man on a carnival cruise and bouncing around playing teenie bop music ... man I'm disappointed to say the least.
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Post by CFC2013 on Oct 30, 2017 12:56:20 GMT -5
Without the parka monkeys he wouldn't be a millionaire and doing what he loves for a living .. people who have supported him for 20 years and he just throws jabs... he said it's not a rock album ..guess he likes dressing like a old man on a carnival cruise and bouncing around playing teenie bop music ... man I'm disappointed to say the least. In that case, Liam is a bitter old man running around with his old high school friends singing emo music.
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 30, 2017 13:37:49 GMT -5
Without the parka monkeys he wouldn't be a millionaire and doing what he loves for a living .. people who have supported him for 20 years and he just throws jabs... he said it's not a rock album ..guess he likes dressing like a old man on a carnival cruise and bouncing around playing teenie bop music ... man I'm disappointed to say the least. In that case, Liam is a bitter old man running around with his old high school friends singing emo music. And topping the charts and selling out Finsbury Park while doing it. Bitterness sounds great.
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