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Post by Doc Lobster on Oct 24, 2017 9:12:24 GMT -5
The "death of me" quote refers to reforming Oasis. I thought that was obvious.
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Post by mancraider on Oct 24, 2017 9:16:02 GMT -5
It may have completely defined Liam before his album but it doesn't any more. Not with a good record selling good numbers out there. I think it's a bit too early to tell whether or not his new solo venture will stay sustainably successful. The fact that Liam keeps saying he would reform the band in a heartbeat and Noel is the exact opposite is bettehttps://twitter.com/paolizct/status/922662692892049408r evidence of my point. On a bit of a tangent but you wonder what he says in private to his band about that. I mean I know they aren't 'bandmates' as such but they are professionals that could be doing other things with their time, that at face value are listening to their boss saying constantly that he'd rather be working with other people and would drop them in a heartbeat if given the opportunity. I personally don't think he really has any interest in reuniting with Noel and it's just about winning fans back inside.
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Post by aesthetic on Oct 24, 2017 9:19:43 GMT -5
Paul Weller co-writes quite a few songs, including with Noel himself. Does that mean Noel isn’t interested in his work? There is a pretty significant difference between two good pals collaborating to write a song i.e. what Weller and Noel have done, and Liam's "hired hands" approach. The record label forked out serious cash for some professional songwriters to write songs for Liam, songs that would have ended up being sung by the latest X Factor reject or Adele or whoever. It isn't the same thing at all. You wouldn't catch Paul Weller paying some faceless corporate songwriter to write 50% of his album for him would you? Don't get me wrong, For What It's Worth and Paper Crown are cracking tunes which Liam has made his own to some degree, but comparing that process to what Noel and Weller have done in the past is reaching to say the least. You can see where Noel is coming from, even if he is being a little cruel and cutting with the way he is coming across.
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Post by eva on Oct 24, 2017 9:23:33 GMT -5
The "death of me" quote refers to reforming Oasis. I thought that was obvious. yes, apologies, I read it all too fast and thought it was about Liam's album. I edited my post
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Post by bestwick8 on Oct 24, 2017 9:42:03 GMT -5
any scans yet?
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Oct 24, 2017 9:48:41 GMT -5
I think people underestimate how pissed off Noel must be with Liam. I love them both and Liam's outbursts make me laugh out loud but to Noel, the recipient, it must seriously piss him off. I personally think that Noel has becoming more and more up his own arse during this album cycle. Something has happened to him since touring with U2. However, he is well within his rights to be annoyed at Liam IMO. Liam has constantly made digs at him, some funny some not so funny. After a while I'd imagine that Noel has just thought 'enough with me being nice, now' and has told the world what he really thinks.
As far as I'm concerned, Liam needs to decide if he wants Oasis back together or if he wants to mock Noel in public. Once he makes his decision then we can all make our peace with it.
The only thing Noel has done that is, in my view, inexcusable is the 'Parka Monkey' thing. No need to slag off the people who made him a multi-millionaire. There are a lot of Liam-zombies out there who are all FUCKING idiots. But without them, Noel would be in his bedsit in Manchester, still.
The point I'm trying to make is that we cannot have a go at Noel for being tired of Liam's shit. He's 50 and doesn't need it. Liam might well feel that he has a point, but he's going about it in the wrong way. Noel has every right to say and feel the way he does.
That being said, I fucking love the both of them, Liam's album is unreal and it's a shame that Noel won't bother his arse to say that it's good
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Post by starkidd on Oct 24, 2017 9:56:20 GMT -5
I'm with Team Liam on this one. As much as I love Noel. Liam is just taking the piss, and has said that repeatedly during interviews this summer and autumn. Maybe he get's abit extreme when he drunk on twitter, but a sorry "I was wasted and didn't mean that" often comes later. He has also said sorry for the mistakes he have done. and he has also been the one of them that actually wants to start from scratch and become brothers and mates again. The ball is with Noel, which seems to take things to serious, and is actually more poisonous and cruel with words. They burn more.(haha, don't know how to explain this, but in a rap battle, Noel would probably destroy Liam).
Not listening to As You Were is just being silly and childish. Imagine how much it would help the relationship if Noel actually said some nice things about Liam for once. He's just making everything worse with this. Liam won't stop if Noel won't stop.
The sad thing would be if this feud continues until one of them dies. I'm all for reconciliation and redemption. and giving the age they are now, it's just childish.
BUT. I have to say, it does work as PR before they give out albums. Even in Oasis they played on the Liam vs Noel thing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 10:01:51 GMT -5
Paul Weller co-writes quite a few songs, including with Noel himself. Does that mean Noel isn’t interested in his work? There is a pretty significant difference between two good pals collaborating to write a song i.e. what Weller and Noel have done, and Liam's "hired hands" approach. The record label forked out serious cash for some professional songwriters to write songs for Liam, songs that would have ended up being sung by the latest X Factor reject or Adele or whoever. It isn't the same thing at all. You wouldn't catch Paul Weller paying some faceless corporate songwriter to write 50% of his album for him would you? Don't get me wrong, For What It's Worth and Paper Crown are cracking tunes which Liam has made his own to some degree, but comparing that process to what Noel and Weller have done in the past is reaching to say the least. You can see where Noel is coming from, even if he is being a little cruel and cutting with the way he is coming across. Maybe because Noel is a songwriter, to him the process of writing a song is the most important thing. Liam is a singer, so to him delivering a song is more important than who wrote it. Personally, I enjoy listening for example Elvis singing songs, even if he didn't write them. I guess Noel wouldn't, but we don't have to like the same things.
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Post by supernovastar94 on Oct 24, 2017 10:17:05 GMT -5
I'm with Team Liam on this one. As much as I love Noel. Liam is just taking the piss, and has said that repeatedly during interviews this summer and autumn. Maybe he get's abit extreme when he drunk on twitter, but a sorry "I was wasted and didn't mean that" often comes later. He has also said sorry for the mistakes he have done. and he has also been the one of them that actually wants to start from scratch and become brothers and mates again. The ball is with Noel, which seems to take things to serious, and is actually more poisonous and cruel with words. They burn more.(haha, don't know how to explain this, but in a rap battle, Noel would probably destroy Liam). Not listening to As You Were is just being silly and childish. Imagine how much it would help the relationship if Noel actually said some nice things about Liam for once. He's just making everything worse with this. Liam won't stop if Noel won't stop. The sad thing would be if this feud continues until one of them dies. I'm all for reconciliation and redemption. and giving the age they are now, it's just childish. BUT. I have to say, it does work as PR before they give out albums. Even in Oasis they played on the Liam vs Noel thing. This view is one I don't agree with, and to me shows how well Liam's PR machine has worked. If we are to believe Noel (and to some degree, we should because he has been saying this for more than a decade) Liam has always been like this, just it wasn't done publicly. Why should you put up with this behaviour just because your brother is drunk? "Oh your wife is shit" -Sorry I was drunk, she's not. "Your friends are all corporate idiots, hope they die" Sorry didn't mean that, I was drunk. "Your wife cheated on you and your child is not yours" -Sorry brother, all a laugh, I was drunk. I don't think a "sorry, it was all in jest, I was tipsy" should justify everything you say, no matter how hurtful it is. But now, Liam goes left right and center saying that in spite of all the abuse he throws at Noel, he loves him, loves the band, loves the fans, wants everything to be back as it was, and no one should take his insults seriously. In the past year he has insulted Noel, his wife, his friends, his music, his management, his actions (MCR). But he ends everything with "ah but I love him" and everyone goes "aww poor misunderstood Liam". Noel comes back saying "I don't miss him, I don't want anything to do with him" and everyone goes "bitter cold grumpy old man, let's burn him at the stake!"
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Post by aesthetic on Oct 24, 2017 10:28:16 GMT -5
This view is one I don't agree with, and to me shows how well Liam's PR machine has worked. If we are to believe Noel (and to some degree, we should because he has been saying this for more than a decade) Liam has always been like this, just it wasn't done publicly. Why should you put up with this behaviour just because your brother is drunk? "Oh your wife is shit" -Sorry I was drunk, she's not. "Your friends are all corporate idiots, hope they die" Sorry didn't mean that, I was drunk. "Your wife cheated on you and your child is not yours" -Sorry brother, all a laugh, I was drunk. I don't think a "sorry, it was all in jest, I was tipsy" should justify everything you say, no matter how hurtful it is. But now, Liam goes left right and center saying that in spite of all the abuse he throws at Noel, he loves him, loves the band, loves the fans, wants everything to be back as it was, and no one should take his insults seriously. In the past year he has insulted Noel, his wife, his friends, his music, his management, his actions (MCR). But he ends everything with "ah but I love him" and everyone goes "aww poor misunderstood Liam". Noel comes back saying "I don't miss him, I don't want anything to do with him" and everyone goes "bitter cold grumpy old man, let's burn him at the stake!" Don't forget that Liam made a pretty crass "up like a shot" joke about the MCR attack, tried to blame it on hackers even though the tweet is still there, then make a pretty obvious tongue in cheek joke on the Graham Norton show implying that it obviously was him that made that joke. And what happened to the "full txt" evidence he was going to post up about Noel "proof you were asked and declined". That was about 3 weeks ago and still nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 10:41:18 GMT -5
But now, Liam goes left right and center saying that in spite of all the abuse he throws at Noel, he loves him, loves the band, loves the fans, wants everything to be back as it was, and no one should take his insults seriously. In the past year he has insulted Noel, his wife, his friends, his music, his management, his actions (MCR). But he ends everything with "ah but I love him" and everyone goes "aww poor misunderstood Liam". Noel comes back saying "I don't miss him, I don't want anything to do with him" and everyone goes "bitter cold grumpy old man, let's burn him at the stake!"I admit I called Noel 'grumpy old man' jokingly on one thread, but it was because he said something like "I'm old, I'll be 60 soon" in an interview. It had nothing to do with Liam, and it's boring how every thread turns into Noel vs Liam (or is it eagle vs pigeon now). I hope there's more than Oasis/Liam questions in this Q magazine interview, so there's something else to talk about.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 24, 2017 10:44:39 GMT -5
This view is one I don't agree with, and to me shows how well Liam's PR machine has worked. If we are to believe Noel (and to some degree, we should because he has been saying this for more than a decade) Liam has always been like this, just it wasn't done publicly. Why should you put up with this behaviour just because your brother is drunk? "Oh your wife is shit" -Sorry I was drunk, she's not. "Your friends are all corporate idiots, hope they die" Sorry didn't mean that, I was drunk. "Your wife cheated on you and your child is not yours" -Sorry brother, all a laugh, I was drunk. I don't think a "sorry, it was all in jest, I was tipsy" should justify everything you say, no matter how hurtful it is. But now, Liam goes left right and center saying that in spite of all the abuse he throws at Noel, he loves him, loves the band, loves the fans, wants everything to be back as it was, and no one should take his insults seriously. In the past year he has insulted Noel, his wife, his friends, his music, his management, his actions (MCR). But he ends everything with "ah but I love him" and everyone goes "aww poor misunderstood Liam". Noel comes back saying "I don't miss him, I don't want anything to do with him" and everyone goes "bitter cold grumpy old man, let's burn him at the stake!" Don't forget that Liam made a pretty crass "up like a shot" joke about the MCR attack, tried to blame it on hackers even though the tweet is still there, then make a pretty obvious tongue in cheek joke on the Graham Norton show implying that it obviously was him that made that joke. And what happened to the "full txt" evidence he was going to post up about Noel "proof you were asked and declined". That was about 3 weeks ago and still nothing.I completely forgot about that O.o
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Post by jxing on Oct 24, 2017 11:36:16 GMT -5
I have no problem with most of what Noel has said in this interview. He has every right to not want a relationship with Liam... I understand that 100% However, I also get why Liam has a different outlook on oasis then Noel.
And it really comes down to age. Noel got to experience life,the world, and even friendships before oasis with the inspiral carpets. It's easy to forget how young, Liam was when oasis started. It was his life; his friends, his experiences, etc. For @18 years, everything that Liam experienced was all connected to Oasis. So, he will always think of Oasis completely different than Noel.
As a fan, it doesn't bother me that they take shots of one another... that's brothers. It's disappointing, in that I lost my brother at a very young age so I appreciate that bond.. but it's not something that you can truly respect until you experience the lost. And unfortunately, I don't believe (based on experience) that Peggy' s death could reunite them.
At the end of the day, I'm an oasis fan. Yes, I lean more towards Liam now because of his personality but most importantly his music. I didn't always feel like that..i couldn't stand Liam, as a person, during oasis. He was obnoxious and I didn't think he appreciated his fan. Maybe because I was young, but I related to Noel having a condescending,conceded, unfiltered no fucks to give attitude. And I still felt that way, until I saw Supersonic which then led me to go back and re-watch tons of old interviews.
This was one of the moments in supersonic that changed my opinion of Noel...
And then, I came across these...and I realized why I loved and related to noel
Now, I realize that people change over the years..blah blah..and I'm just focusing on Noel at the moment..but there is something, more than age and aggravation, that has changed him.. he just doesn't seem happy to be promoting this album in his recent interviews. If you take away the bullshit Liam questions, there is a completely different vibe in his interviews. He has a right to be pissed and aggravated with Liam but I will never give him a pass for slacking off his fans. I'm not crazy about Holy mountain but I'm hopeful for the album. I keep waiting and being hopeful that his sanctimonious attitude will change in interviews but so far it hasn't. Maybe he'll do something next week that will surprise me and my opinion will change! 🤞
Now, before anyone responds to me, please understand that I'm simply expressing why I have issues with Noel at the moment... I'm not asking anyone to agree or disagree with my opinions. But, I kinda feel that I needed to explain my feelings with more than a sentence or a a blanketed post.✌
I apologize for the essay that I've written!😉
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 24, 2017 12:03:27 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I'm an oasis fan. Yes, I lean more towards Liam now because of his personality but most importantly his music. I didn't always feel like that..i couldn't stand Liam, as a person, during oasis. He was obnoxious and I didn't think he appreciated his fan. Maybe because I was young, but I related to Noel having a condescending,conceded, unfiltered no fucks to give attitude. I agree 100%. My reaction to the Unplugged show was "just sack the c.unt, Noel, you can sing the songs beautifully anyway". This, along with Liam being a twat at the 1996 VMAs, had soured me on him quite a bit. I genuinely disliked him as a person, and would have much preferred to hear from Noel, the "level-headed, funny one". But time's funny. Liam may remain a handful to his brother, but he's mellowed out with the public, which makes him much more likable, while the "level-headed, funny one" has shown that he wasn't really funny and sarcastic, he was actually bitter and rather mean-spirited. These days, I'd feel confident approaching Liam for an autograph or a picture, but I'd rather avoid Noel's fed-up attitude. The records will have to do.
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Post by Noeldemort on Oct 24, 2017 12:41:39 GMT -5
I think people underestimate how pissed off Noel must be with Liam. I love them both and Liam's outbursts make me laugh out loud but to Noel, the recipient, it must seriously piss him off. I personally think that Noel has becoming more and more up his own arse during this album cycle. Something has happened to him since touring with U2. However, he is well within his rights to be annoyed at Liam IMO. Liam has constantly made digs at him, some funny some not so funny. After a while I'd imagine that Noel has just thought 'enough with me being nice, now' and has told the world what he really thinks. As far as I'm concerned, Liam needs to decide if he wants Oasis back together or if he wants to mock Noel in public. Once he makes his decision then we can all make our peace with it. The only thing Noel has done that is, in my view, inexcusable is the 'Parka Monkey' thing. No need to slag off the people who made him a multi-millionaire. There are a lot of Liam-zombies out there who are all FUCKING idiots. But without them, Noel would be in his bedsit in Manchester, still. The point I'm trying to make is that we cannot have a go at Noel for being tired of Liam's shit. He's 50 and doesn't need it. Liam might well feel that he has a point, but he's going about it in the wrong way. Noel has every right to say and feel the way he does. That being said, I fucking love the both of them, Liam's album is unreal and it's a shame that Noel won't bother his arse to say that it's good I personally really don't feel like Liam wants to get Oasis back together. He's constantly saying he would jump at the opportunity one day and the next day he's insulting the one person he needs to get the band back, the person he says he misses. I don't know, it just doesn't look genuine and I stopped believing long time ago that he's really eager to reform Oasis rather that just saying it for the effects Noel can be even more annoying than Liam when he wants to be and I'm really sorry that he said such things to fans.
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Post by jxing on Oct 24, 2017 13:39:51 GMT -5
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Post by carlober on Oct 24, 2017 13:51:29 GMT -5
Full interview (12 pages): imgur.com/a/vKITqedit: jxing beat me to it, great work The scans in the link I provided above are at higher res though, so you won't have to squint your eyes too much
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 14:05:10 GMT -5
Nice to know Noel loved Supersonic too.
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Post by dadrocker on Oct 24, 2017 14:13:31 GMT -5
Full interview (12 pages): imgur.com/a/vKITqedit: jxing beat me to it, great work The scans in the link I provided above are at higher res though, so you won't have to squint your eyes too much ha too late! This is the best interview of this era so far.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 14:25:26 GMT -5
Good interview, a bit Liam heavy, but Noel seems happier than the recent video interviews suggested.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 24, 2017 14:29:52 GMT -5
Seriously Noel? Hung Up?! No.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 24, 2017 15:04:52 GMT -5
It's like Noel's been reading this forum...teasing an acoustic album But it does show that he's thinking of the ways that he could do stuff that he hasn't done before.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 24, 2017 15:31:51 GMT -5
Parka Monkeys. Liam Zombies. Potatoes. Beige.
Are these Beady Eye outtakes?
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Post by icebreath on Oct 24, 2017 15:59:55 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the interview and i'm intrigued about the new record. It was the good ol' Noel in some parts. I laughed at the signature with the new card bit. He's very good at telling these anecdotes. Obviously the Oasis stuff and the Parka Monkeys thing overshadows the rest of the interview, but that's what sells in media.
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