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Post by lau on Oct 15, 2017 14:34:28 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Oct 15, 2017 14:46:00 GMT -5
Oh god, he's off on another rant about terrorists.
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Post by joladella on Oct 15, 2017 14:53:43 GMT -5
"I was an eagle and Liam a common pigeon." Would be interesting to what question that was the answer.
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Post by knowhaimean on Oct 15, 2017 14:56:19 GMT -5
"I was an eagle and Liam a common pigeon." Would be interesting to what question that was the answer. It seems oddly cut in there at the end.
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Post by lostinspace on Oct 15, 2017 15:30:20 GMT -5
"I think that i'm an eagle and Liam is merely a common pigeon."
"And I don't mean to be unkind But I see what's in your mind And the stone you throw Will turn back in its path One day you'll shatter like a wall of glass"
"And it's a long way down When you're the wrong way 'round"
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Post by jxing on Oct 15, 2017 18:05:18 GMT -5
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 15, 2017 18:21:37 GMT -5
I wonder how often him and his kids are jumping on the tube during rush hour? He could do with doing some more reading. He doesn't at all seem interested at getting at the reasons why people do these things which ultimately gives you a better chance at stopping them.
His music might be great but to me its embarrassing hearing him talk about most things outside of it.
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Post by janedoe on Oct 15, 2017 20:09:22 GMT -5
Get your head around Spotify and streaming music, Noel!
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 15, 2017 22:44:56 GMT -5
Started off well, typical Noel humor when discussing the album. And then he went on a political rant and he just became unlikable. Not even because I disagree, which I don't 100%, but because he sounds so out of touch. Liam's answer to a similar question was much simpler and yet more insightful.
And yeah, Spotify may not bring in the cash, but you also acknowledge it's bringing you a new, young fanbase. WHO BUY CONCERT TICKETS. Musicians need to get their head around it already: The days of making their fortune off of album sales are ending. Into the 2020s, it'll be all about live shows and merch sales.
And that pigeon bit at the end? No idea what to think without hearing the question.
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Post by bt95 on Oct 16, 2017 16:51:59 GMT -5
I wonder how often him and his kids are jumping on the tube during rush hour? He could do with doing some more reading. He doesn't at all seem interested at getting at the reasons why people do these things which ultimately gives you a better chance at stopping them. His music might be great but to me its embarrassing hearing him talk about most things outside of it. There's plenty of evidence of them all doing just that. But regardless, he's right in what he says. It's not right that any nation/gov 'accepts it'. The 'reason' people do these things is because they are brainwashed/convinced that their ideology is right. That it isn't evil. And that they do it in the name of religion - and ultimately it usually (not always) is one specific religion and that's unfortunate. But the lad who bombed the arena had been out of the country in Lybia. He was on the watch list. He was a huge priority. Severe questions have to be asked why he was ever allowed free once he went to Lybia. He had known terrorist links. That's just an example. That's common sense and that's all Noel is saying. Just like Liam has said in the way he succinctly summed up Brexit. Just like most people who aren't so left and liberal that anything remotely politically incorrect is automatically judged as 'uneducated', or just like most people who aren't the dicks at the other end of the spectrum. I'm 22 and don't think that it's right that the British government are putting out messages of 'we have to live with terrorism'. I don't want to bring my children up in a country that readily accepts it. Just as I feel so much for the countries that have been torn apart by wars the west have backed, or by dictators or terrorist groups. But anyway, rant over. I agree with his point though. Sorry mods, understand this isn't the place for this but needed to get that off my chest! Glad Noel's back. Love Liam's return, but to have them both back on the scene - at the same time - is brilliant.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 16, 2017 17:28:02 GMT -5
I wonder how often him and his kids are jumping on the tube during rush hour? He could do with doing some more reading. He doesn't at all seem interested at getting at the reasons why people do these things which ultimately gives you a better chance at stopping them. His music might be great but to me its embarrassing hearing him talk about most things outside of it. There's plenty of evidence of them all doing just that. But regardless, he's right in what he says. It's not right that any nation/gov 'accepts it'. The 'reason' people do these things is because they are brainwashed/convinced that their ideology is right. That it isn't evil. And that they do it in the name of religion - and ultimately it usually (not always) is one specific religion and that's unfortunate. But the lad who bombed the arena had been out of the country in Lybia. He was on the watch list. He was a huge priority. Severe questions have to be asked why he was ever allowed free once he went to Lybia. He had known terrorist links. That's just an example. That's common sense and that's all Noel is saying. Just like Liam has said in the way he succinctly summed up Brexit. Just like most people who aren't so left and liberal that anything remotely politically incorrect is automatically judged as 'uneducated', or just like most people who aren't the dicks at the other end of the spectrum. I'm 22 and don't think that it's right that the British government are putting out messages of 'we have to live with terrorism'. I don't want to bring my children up in a country that readily accepts it. Just as I feel so much for the countries that have been torn apart by wars the west have backed, or by dictators or terrorist groups. But anyway, rant over. I agree with his point though. Sorry mods, understand this isn't the place for this but needed to get that off my chest! Glad Noel's back. Love Liam's return, but to have them both back on the scene - at the same time - is brilliant. The current government or any don't accept it, there are thousands of people working very hard to prevent attacks. Mistakes will always be made and its difficult to stop individuals slipping through the net, thats not to say that the services involved shouldn't ask questions of themselves when they do. What Noel doesn't say or you either is why there are so many indivdual's are trying to carry out these attacks. Foreign policy seems to be so rarely mentioned and yet we are effectively an active recruiter for terrorist organisations, we help enable people to be brainwashed. Yet we still send weapons abroad, still bombing other countries(how many civilians have been killed by british bombs in the last few years?). We should never accept attacks but we should ask ourselves if we could change things to make them less likely.
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Post by bt95 on Oct 17, 2017 6:05:05 GMT -5
There's plenty of evidence of them all doing just that. But regardless, he's right in what he says. It's not right that any nation/gov 'accepts it'. The 'reason' people do these things is because they are brainwashed/convinced that their ideology is right. That it isn't evil. And that they do it in the name of religion - and ultimately it usually (not always) is one specific religion and that's unfortunate. But the lad who bombed the arena had been out of the country in Lybia. He was on the watch list. He was a huge priority. Severe questions have to be asked why he was ever allowed free once he went to Lybia. He had known terrorist links. That's just an example. That's common sense and that's all Noel is saying. Just like Liam has said in the way he succinctly summed up Brexit. Just like most people who aren't so left and liberal that anything remotely politically incorrect is automatically judged as 'uneducated', or just like most people who aren't the dicks at the other end of the spectrum. I'm 22 and don't think that it's right that the British government are putting out messages of 'we have to live with terrorism'. I don't want to bring my children up in a country that readily accepts it. Just as I feel so much for the countries that have been torn apart by wars the west have backed, or by dictators or terrorist groups. But anyway, rant over. I agree with his point though. Sorry mods, understand this isn't the place for this but needed to get that off my chest! Glad Noel's back. Love Liam's return, but to have them both back on the scene - at the same time - is brilliant. The current government or any don't accept it, there are thousands of people working very hard to prevent attacks. Mistakes will always be made and its difficult to stop individuals slipping through the net, thats not to say that the services involved shouldn't ask questions of themselves when they do. What Noel doesn't say or you either is why there are so many indivdual's are trying to carry out these attacks. Foreign policy seems to be so rarely mentioned and yet we are effectively an active recruiter for terrorist organisations, we help enable people to be brainwashed. Yet we still send weapons abroad, still bombing other countries(how many civilians have been killed by british bombs in the last few years?). We should never accept attacks but we should ask ourselves if we could change things to make them less likely. I acknowledge just that. So does Noel - 'the hippy ideal' I said it's awful what the west have done. It's horrid. And of course people are working hard to stop it. Ultimately those are the people that are held up by political correctness and people making excuses/reasons for why other people carry out these atrocities - and that you can't increase border controls/checks etc. As I said, there is no excusing the fact that the government allowed the Manchester arena bomber back into the UK after where he had been. For me, anyone who leaves to parts of the world such as Syria and Lybia given the current situations that those countries are in, should be under serious checks and restrictions. In fact, questions should be asked why they are attempting to go there in the first place, and stopped at source, regardless of creed, gender, age or religion. They're evil. There is no excuse or reasoning for it beyond that - so please don't tell me to look for a reason why they do what they do.
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Post by freddy838 on Oct 17, 2017 6:54:26 GMT -5
"I was an eagle and Liam a common pigeon." Would be interesting to what question that was the answer. Probably along the lines of, 'what kind of high flying birds are you and Liam'
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Post by andymorris on Oct 17, 2017 8:22:13 GMT -5
The days of making their fortune off of album sales are ending. Into the 2020s, it'll be all about live shows and merch sales.. Just looked at what i paid for two tickets for Noel's gigs in 2018. Yep. He knows already
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Post by andymorris on Oct 17, 2017 8:54:48 GMT -5
Just listened to the interview. He's right about the rent thing, though.
The day those streaming services disappear (and they will), people have no records left. Nothing. Not that they will care though. But it's just a sign of time where value has shifted from creation and art to appearance and "the now" moment.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 17, 2017 9:28:51 GMT -5
Just from the little bit we got here and the times interview, i can garuntee the tactic from Noel will be to attack Liam musically like he never has done.
Noel really needs to lighten up a bit for his own sake. Even if it is a bit of that old media friendly fake side, look back at how he is on Graham Norton for the first album and hes so much more likeable than this.
U2 are/were a fucking great band but theres no doubt what turns people off them is that complete indifference to the man on the street. The anti-oasis if you like. Noel is at risk of becoming that, and worse still, i dont think he cares.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 17, 2017 12:40:41 GMT -5
The current government or any don't accept it, there are thousands of people working very hard to prevent attacks. Mistakes will always be made and its difficult to stop individuals slipping through the net, thats not to say that the services involved shouldn't ask questions of themselves when they do. What Noel doesn't say or you either is why there are so many indivdual's are trying to carry out these attacks. Foreign policy seems to be so rarely mentioned and yet we are effectively an active recruiter for terrorist organisations, we help enable people to be brainwashed. Yet we still send weapons abroad, still bombing other countries(how many civilians have been killed by british bombs in the last few years?). We should never accept attacks but we should ask ourselves if we could change things to make them less likely. I acknowledge just that. So does Noel - 'the hippy ideal' I said it's awful what the west have done. It's horrid. And of course people are working hard to stop it. Ultimately those are the people that are held up by political correctness and people making excuses/reasons for why other people carry out these atrocities - and that you can't increase border controls/checks etc. As I said, there is no excusing the fact that the government allowed the Manchester arena bomber back into the UK after where he had been. For me, anyone who leaves to parts of the world such as Syria and Lybia given the current situations that those countries are in, should be under serious checks and restrictions. In fact, questions should be asked why they are attempting to go there in the first place, and stopped at source, regardless of creed, gender, age or religion. They're evil. There is no excuse or reasoning for it beyond that - so please don't tell me to look for a reason why they do what they do. You acknowledge it but don't draw any conclusions from it. Thinking that you shouldn't be bombing far away lands or not selling arms to Saudi Arabia doesn't make it "the hippy ideal". There are always people in the world who will wish to do harm to others, whether that be through religious fanatacism, racism, pleasure or revenge. Its no good shying away from asking why there are more people looking to do that now, imagine going out to work only to return to find your family dead and your house a pile of rubble, what then motivates that man or woman? What's the first thing a parent asks a child if they fucked up at school, why did you do that? Its not an excuse or a shield to hide behind its about stopping it happening again which would surely be something we both want. Why do you think people are leaving Lybia and Syria? We fucking wrecked Libya with absolutely no plan for how it might recover, Syria is a mess. We helped create the refugee crisis and then complained when people who no longer had a home have to move to find one. I'm all for increasing security and putting more money in to policing and security services but individuals are so hard to stop, its incredibly difficult to moniter everyone. They made a mistake on that, you'll get no argument from me there but there will be more mistakes when they are so stretched. We could help stop the pressure on them at source by perhaps changing how we behave abroad. Noel little rant is exactly that, there's no insight, no intelligence, no understanding.
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Post by bt95 on Oct 17, 2017 13:13:55 GMT -5
I acknowledge just that. So does Noel - 'the hippy ideal' I said it's awful what the west have done. It's horrid. And of course people are working hard to stop it. Ultimately those are the people that are held up by political correctness and people making excuses/reasons for why other people carry out these atrocities - and that you can't increase border controls/checks etc. As I said, there is no excusing the fact that the government allowed the Manchester arena bomber back into the UK after where he had been. For me, anyone who leaves to parts of the world such as Syria and Lybia given the current situations that those countries are in, should be under serious checks and restrictions. In fact, questions should be asked why they are attempting to go there in the first place, and stopped at source, regardless of creed, gender, age or religion. They're evil. There is no excuse or reasoning for it beyond that - so please don't tell me to look for a reason why they do what they do. You acknowledge it but don't draw any conclusions from it. Thinking that you s houldn't be bombing far away lands or not selling arms to Saudi Arabia doesn't make it "the hippy ideal". There are always people in the world who will wish to do harm to others, whether that be through religious fanatacism, racism, pleasure or revenge. Its no good shying away from asking why there are more people looking to do that now, imagine going out to work only to return to find your family dead and your house a pile of rubble, what then motivates that man or woman? What's the first thing a parent asks a child if they fucked up at school, why did you do that? Its not an excuse or a shield to hide behind its about stopping it happening again which would surely be something we both want. Why do you think people are leaving Lybia and Syria? We fucking wrecked Libya with absolutely no plan for how it might recover, Syria is a mess. We helped create the refugee crisis and then complained when people who no longer had a home have to move to find one. I'm all for increasing security and putting more money in to policing and security services but individuals are so hard to stop, its incredibly difficult to moniter everyone. They made a mistake on that, you'll get no argument from me there but there will be more mistakes when they are so stretched. We could help stop the pressure on them at source by perhaps changing how we behave abroad. Noel little rant is exactly that, there's no insight, no intelligence, no understanding. We shouldn't be. That doesn't give any justification whatsoever to not preventing or should I say, be willing to go to more 'vigorous' means of preventing, atrocities like the arena bombing happening. The west attacking Lybia wasn't the reason that twat decided to kill 22 women and children.
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 17, 2017 13:17:08 GMT -5
If I wanted half-baked political opinions, I'd go to half-bakedpoliticalopinions.com. You lot really don't realize how easy-going the mods here are. I'd have done away with four-five of you by now.
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Post by The Chief on Oct 17, 2017 13:17:40 GMT -5
Yeah at first I was surprised he went down that road especially with the whole "hippie idea of people's religious beliefs" thing which has nothing to do with terrorism but he's pissed off and it's understandable. These events happened almost litterally in his backyard.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 17, 2017 13:35:55 GMT -5
You acknowledge it but don't draw any conclusions from it. Thinking that you s houldn't be bombing far away lands or not selling arms to Saudi Arabia doesn't make it "the hippy ideal". There are always people in the world who will wish to do harm to others, whether that be through religious fanatacism, racism, pleasure or revenge. Its no good shying away from asking why there are more people looking to do that now, imagine going out to work only to return to find your family dead and your house a pile of rubble, what then motivates that man or woman? What's the first thing a parent asks a child if they fucked up at school, why did you do that? Its not an excuse or a shield to hide behind its about stopping it happening again which would surely be something we both want. Why do you think people are leaving Lybia and Syria? We fucking wrecked Libya with absolutely no plan for how it might recover, Syria is a mess. We helped create the refugee crisis and then complained when people who no longer had a home have to move to find one. I'm all for increasing security and putting more money in to policing and security services but individuals are so hard to stop, its incredibly difficult to moniter everyone. They made a mistake on that, you'll get no argument from me there but there will be more mistakes when they are so stretched. We could help stop the pressure on them at source by perhaps changing how we behave abroad. Noel little rant is exactly that, there's no insight, no intelligence, no understanding. We shouldn't be. That doesn't give any justification whatsoever to not preventing or should I say, be willing to go to more 'vigorous' means of preventing, atrocities like the arena bombing happening. The west attacking Lybia wasn't the reason that twat decided to kill 22 women and children. Police, medics, teachers etc are constantly looking at the why's just to stop repetition. We do it a local scale we just seem to learn so little at a national scale. That's not a justification. It might not have but we don't know that it wasn't part of it do we? He took regular trips back to Libya after the the civil war started, its difficult to know how much seeing your homeland in ruins affected his outlook on Britain. How much easier is it to radicalise someone under those conditions? Most likely his motivation came from a number of things, some people will hate no matter what but we have it within our power to reduce some of the factors that breed these feelings and we don't. The bloke was a scum bag, all I'm interested in is a safer country, its results that count I just feel we could be doing more, home and abroad to make it happen.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 17, 2017 13:38:05 GMT -5
If I wanted half-baked political opinions, I'd go to half-bakedpoliticalopinions.com. You lot really don't realize how easy-going the mods here are. I'd have done away with four-five of you by now. We're discussing something reasonably, nowt wrong with that. Or was this meant for the Holy Mountain thread?
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 17, 2017 13:56:16 GMT -5
If I wanted half-baked political opinions, I'd go to half-bakedpoliticalopinions.com. You lot really don't realize how easy-going the mods here are. I'd have done away with four-five of you by now. We're discussing something reasonably, nowt wrong with that. Or was this meant for the Holy Mountain thread? We're on an Oasis forum, in a section dedicated to one member of it, in a thread about an interview that person gave. That person was in Oasis, and so his opinions are newsworthy, however right or wrong they might be. You lot are nobodies on the internet pretending you know anything about geopolitics or that 99.9% of the members of the aforementioned forum give a shit how you feel about terrorism, religion, liberalism, or conservatism. As I said, the moderators here are much gentler than they're given credit for, and thus the rest of us have to deal with clicking over to this topic hoping discussion is back on topic, and instead getting dimestore opinions from people whose usernames we'll have forgotten as soon as we scroll past them.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 17, 2017 14:11:34 GMT -5
We're discussing something reasonably, nowt wrong with that. Or was this meant for the Holy Mountain thread? We're on an Oasis forum, in a section dedicated to one member of it, in a thread about an interview that person gave. That person was in Oasis, and so his opinions are newsworthy, however right or wrong they might be. You lot are nobodies on the internet pretending you know anything about geopolitics or that 99.9% of the members of the aforementioned forum give a shit how you feel about terrorism, religion, liberalism, or conservatism. As I said, the moderators here are much gentler than they're given credit for, and thus the rest of us have to deal with clicking over to this topic hoping discussion is back on topic, and instead getting dimestore opinions from people whose usernames we'll have forgotten as soon as we scroll past them. I haven't complained about the moderators, if they seek to move anything or ask me to give it a rest then fine. If you accept that Noel Gallaghers opinions are newsworthy then accept that members will discuss those opinions and the ideas attatched to them. You've done well to add less to thread than we have while being broadly insulting at the same time. Good work.
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 17, 2017 14:15:10 GMT -5
We're on an Oasis forum, in a section dedicated to one member of it, in a thread about an interview that person gave. That person was in Oasis, and so his opinions are newsworthy, however right or wrong they might be. You lot are nobodies on the internet pretending you know anything about geopolitics or that 99.9% of the members of the aforementioned forum give a shit how you feel about terrorism, religion, liberalism, or conservatism. As I said, the moderators here are much gentler than they're given credit for, and thus the rest of us have to deal with clicking over to this topic hoping discussion is back on topic, and instead getting dimestore opinions from people whose usernames we'll have forgotten as soon as we scroll past them. I haven't complained about the moderators, if they seek to move anything or ask me to give it a rest then fine. If you accept that Noel Gallaghers opinions are newsworthy then accept that members will discuss those opinions and the ideas attatched to them. You've done well to add less to thread than we have while being broadly insulting at the same time. Good work. Discussing Noel's opinions: "He's lost the plot, he has" "Nah, I see where he's coming from" "why the fuck did he call Liam a pigeon?" Not post after post discussing your own personal views not even your mothers care about. But as I said, the mods here are kind.
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