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Post by 280981 on Oct 30, 2016 16:14:51 GMT -5
If Liam wasn't Noel brother and wasn't in a band with him, he wouldn't get half the amount of stick he gets... it's almost as if people expected him, to all of a sudden, become one of the greatest songwriters of all time...
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Post by aky on Oct 30, 2016 16:25:45 GMT -5
SONGWRITERS TO WRITE WITH: Richard Ashcroft Damon Albarn Justin Vernon Robert Del Naja Pete Doherty / Carl Barat Ian Brown Alex Turner ill take lee mavers over any one of these. also slightly off topic, i saw "evil eye" mentioned and have never really listened to it properly. first listen i noticed a line ripped straight from lennon.(hey bulldog) typical liam lol
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Post by Manualex on Oct 30, 2016 16:36:02 GMT -5
SONGWRITERS TO WRITE WITH: Richard Ashcroft Damon Albarn Justin Vernon Robert Del Naja Pete Doherty / Carl Barat Ian Brown Alex Turner ill take lee mavers over any one of these. So the song never sees a release
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Post by hugose on Oct 30, 2016 18:14:31 GMT -5
It baffles me that people formerly (and presently) fans of the songwriting of noel Gallagher can think that bring the light or soul love are "good" (nevermind "very good") songs? Is soul love even a 'song' by the generally accepted definition? It sounds like someone reading a poem (penned by a primary schooler) to background music that wasn't specifically selected for the task. I think you are being kind about the bridges - most of them don't even have a chorus. Liam gets a pass from me for not doing a whole lot during Oasis because he had Noel there delivering album after album of million-plus sellers. But he has now had two full albums on which he could demonstrate he has the ability to write a hit - just one hit - and he hasn't come close.If you want to sell music in anything like large numbers you need a decent fucking chorus. It doesn't matter if its written by max martin for recording by katy perry or by liam and bonehead for recording by liam, and it doesn't really matter if it has 4 instruments or if its be here now on steroids. Hell, you can even chuck in the la la las from Little James if you absolutely must, just make the chorus a little bit catchy. You act as if "making just one hit" is easy. Too many incredible songwriters either have only one hit or no hits. If hits were easy to get then everyone would be rolling around in one. Also, Soul Love is fantastic songwriting, from mood, arrangement, and lyrics, it's a great song. By "hit" I mean a song that gets him exposure beyond what is basically a rusted on oasis fanbase. Like, a song that has people going "I like this- who is it?" When they first hear it. I don't mean a number 1 single, I mean any song that gains for popularity for him for the song and not because of who is singing it. If you are actually an "incredible" songwriter, then by definition you are capable of writing a song that extends your fanbase, unless you are in the unusual position of having a ready made fan base from a prior band like Liam does. Of course it's difficult. But Liam's view of beady eye is that it was a failed experiment. He says "people didn't want it". Yet they sold several hundred thousand records, so his standards seem to be quite high. If he wants to do better commercially than Beady Eye did, he's going to need some songs that attract new fans that like his songs rather than those who like his personality or the songs of the band he was in a decade ago. If soul love was a great song it would have charted. you might like it, but it generated zero new appeal for Liam or Beady eye.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 30, 2016 18:31:56 GMT -5
You act as if "making just one hit" is easy. Too many incredible songwriters either have only one hit or no hits. If hits were easy to get then everyone would be rolling around in one. Also, Soul Love is fantastic songwriting, from mood, arrangement, and lyrics, it's a great song. By "hit" I mean a song that gets him exposure beyond what is basically a rusted on oasis fanbase. Like, a song that has people going "I like this- who is it?" When they first hear it. I don't mean a number 1 single, I mean any song that gains for popularity for him for the song and not because of who is singing it. If you are actually an "incredible" songwriter, then by definition you are capable of writing a song that extends your fanbase, unless you are in the unusual position of having a ready made fan base from a prior band like Liam does. Of course it's difficult. But Liam's view of beady eye is that it was a failed experiment. He says "people didn't want it". Yet they sold several hundred thousand records, so his standards seem to be quite high. If he wants to do better commercially than Beady Eye did, he's going to need some songs that attract new fans that like his songs rather than those who like his personality or the songs of the band he was in a decade ago. If soul love was a great song it would have charted. you might like it, but it generated zero new appeal for Liam or Beady eye. The Stooges and Velvet Underground just produced shit, right? Cause their stuff never charted. Not all great songs chart. That's a fact of music. Did those two bands make music that expanded past the small circle of punk junkies around? No. Their appeal didn't generate until those devoted followers carried the music of the Stooges and VU to the general masses. So, a stroke of luck. Still incredible songwriters nonetheless. There are so many factors that go into a song having mass appeal to other portions of people, and it's not completely dependent on the quality of the song. To think otherwise is unrealistic, and lacks general knowledge of how music is consumed. What a Life is a good song, but if it's not in a car commercial then only the fanbase knows about it. Did it require it being in a car commercial and getting mass appeal before it became "good" songwriting? No. It was already good. The car commercial just gave it a way to have broader appeal. Flick of the Finger and Soul Love are fantastic songs. If given a promotional avenues, those songs would have mass appeal. Besides, are you saying something by One Direction is a great song? That charts all the time. By your definition, they're a regular Beatles. You know, with all the appeal those songs generate.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Oct 30, 2016 18:37:28 GMT -5
If Liam wasn't Noel brother and wasn't in a band with him, he wouldn't get half the amount of stick he gets... it's almost as if people expected him, to all of a sudden, become one of the greatest songwriters of all time... Or he might never have gotten a record deal at all. Liam could "hide" behind Andy and Gem's OK songwriting in Beady Eye and Noel's great songwriting in Oasis, this time he has full responsibility. It's hard to judge his previous songs against that; it's much easier to let him have an average album filler track when Noel has already written the singles.
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Post by hugose on Oct 30, 2016 19:13:51 GMT -5
By "hit" I mean a song that gets him exposure beyond what is basically a rusted on oasis fanbase. Like, a song that has people going "I like this- who is it?" When they first hear it. I don't mean a number 1 single, I mean any song that gains for popularity for him for the song and not because of who is singing it. If you are actually an "incredible" songwriter, then by definition you are capable of writing a song that extends your fanbase, unless you are in the unusual position of having a ready made fan base from a prior band like Liam does. Of course it's difficult. But Liam's view of beady eye is that it was a failed experiment. He says "people didn't want it". Yet they sold several hundred thousand records, so his standards seem to be quite high. If he wants to do better commercially than Beady Eye did, he's going to need some songs that attract new fans that like his songs rather than those who like his personality or the songs of the band he was in a decade ago. If soul love was a great song it would have charted. you might like it, but it generated zero new appeal for Liam or Beady eye. The Stooges and Velvet Underground just produced shit, right? Cause their stuff never charted. Not all great songs chart. That's a fact of music. Did those two bands make music that expanded past the small circle of punk junkies around? No. Their appeal didn't generate until those devoted followers carried the music of the Stooges and VU to the general masses. So, a stroke of luck. Still incredible songwriters nonetheless. There are so many factors that go into a song having mass appeal to other portions of people, and it's not completely dependent on the quality of the song. To think otherwise is unrealistic, and lacks general knowledge of how music is consumed. What a Life is a good song, but if it's not in a car commercial then only the fanbase knows about it. Did it require it being in a car commercial and getting mass appeal before it became "good" songwriting? No. It was already good. The car commercial just gave it a way to have broader appeal. Flick of the Finger and Soul Love are fantastic songs. If given a promotional avenues, those songs would have mass appeal. Besides, are you saying something by One Direction is a great song? That charts all the time. By your definition, they're a regular Beatles. You know, with all the appeal those songs generate. I never said that music that didn't chart was shit. I said that Soul Love, being a song on a record that sold more than 100k copies and got to number 2, would have charted somewhere if it had actually been a 'great' song. Liam and Beady eye had a decent platform to promote their music - i.e they are already famous fucking musicians. What a life was picked up because it's a catchy song, something Noel has literally made a career out of writing. Liam has a large profile, a dedicated fanbase and a 2nd album that got to number 2 in the charts and was reviewed by all the usual publications, yet apparently the reason Soul Love wasn't a massive song (or, didn't crack a single chart all over the world) is a lack of promotional avenues? How much of a bigger platform can you bloody get? Maybe people - advertising agencies included - have heard the song and just think it's shit? Like some people here do? All I'm saying is that he will need a song that has broad appeal if we wants to exceed Beady Eye's commercial performance, and so far he hasn't released one. Spacey crap that is produced in a manner designed to hide the weakness of the lyrics and melody isn't going to cut it. You can go on about how everything in the charts is rubbish and that the really great stuff is stuff The Rain recorded on a tape deck under the boardwalk that no one has ever heard, but doesn't it seem like Liam wants to be the former rather than the latter? Maybe I am wrong about what Liam wants. What do you think he wants out of his album?
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 30, 2016 19:29:13 GMT -5
The Stooges and Velvet Underground just produced shit, right? Cause their stuff never charted. Not all great songs chart. That's a fact of music. Did those two bands make music that expanded past the small circle of punk junkies around? No. Their appeal didn't generate until those devoted followers carried the music of the Stooges and VU to the general masses. So, a stroke of luck. Still incredible songwriters nonetheless. There are so many factors that go into a song having mass appeal to other portions of people, and it's not completely dependent on the quality of the song. To think otherwise is unrealistic, and lacks general knowledge of how music is consumed. What a Life is a good song, but if it's not in a car commercial then only the fanbase knows about it. Did it require it being in a car commercial and getting mass appeal before it became "good" songwriting? No. It was already good. The car commercial just gave it a way to have broader appeal. Flick of the Finger and Soul Love are fantastic songs. If given a promotional avenues, those songs would have mass appeal. Besides, are you saying something by One Direction is a great song? That charts all the time. By your definition, they're a regular Beatles. You know, with all the appeal those songs generate. What a life was picked up because it's a catchy song, something Noel has literally made a career out of writing. Liam has a large profile, a dedicated fanbase and a 2nd album that got to number 2 in the charts and was reviewed by all the usual publications, yet apparently the reason Soul Love wasn't a massive song (or, didn't crack a single chart all over the world) is a lack of promotional avenues? How much of a bigger platform can you bloody get? Maybe people - advertising agencies included - have heard the song and just think it's shit? Like some people here do? All I'm saying is that he will need a song that has broad appeal if we wants to exceed Beady Eye's commercial performance, and so far he hasn't written one. Spacey crap that is produced in a manner designed to hide the weakness of the lyrics and melody isn't going to cut it. You can go on about how everything in the charts is rubbish and that the really great stuff is stuff The Rain recorded on a tape deck under the boardwalk that no one has ever heard, but doesn't it seem like Liam wants to be the former rather than the latter? Maybe I am wrong about what Liam wants. What do you think he wants out of his album? Liam is an older rock star. His days of mass appeal are over. He could write the catchiest song going and that doesn't mean it will reach a wide audience. I think he wants respect for putting out an album of worthy material, it doing pretty good and him being able to go out and tour it.
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Post by hugose on Oct 30, 2016 19:40:35 GMT -5
Yet Noel is managing just fine?
What does it 'doing pretty good' mean?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 5:32:59 GMT -5
Liam's songwriter skills are as good as his last work and I think that it is his best work: Flick of the Finger Soul Love Don't Brother Me Shine a Light Start Anew The World's Not Set in Stone Evil Eye
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 31, 2016 11:53:51 GMT -5
If Liam wasn't Noel brother and wasn't in a band with him, he wouldn't get half the amount of stick he gets... it's almost as if people expected him, to all of a sudden, become one of the greatest songwriters of all time... True but without his brother and their band together I would suggest he wouldn't have had the previous success and subsequent profile that means he does come under such scrutiny with his work. I imagine he would prefer to be the iconic millionaire singer, songwriter and businessman that he is rather than Liam from Burnage who was in one or more minor nineties bands still plugging away with a solo record and clubs & pubs tour every year, and if the cost of that is media/public criticism or scrutiny then so be it.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Oct 31, 2016 14:48:00 GMT -5
Liam's songwriter skills are as good as his last work and I think that it is his best work: Flick of the Finger Soul Love Don't Brother Me Shine a Light Start Anew The World's Not Set in Stone Evil Eye
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 20:55:50 GMT -5
four letter word should have been the leadoff single from dgss.
thanks.
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Post by underneaththesky on Oct 31, 2016 22:38:15 GMT -5
four letter word should have been the leadoff single from dgss. thanks. that's the worst proof Liam could release a decent album though
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Post by Manualex on Oct 31, 2016 23:05:47 GMT -5
four letter word should have been the leadoff single from dgss. thanks. that's the worst proof Liam could release a decent album though Yeah, but BTL doesnt helps at all to the case either.
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Post by underneaththesky on Oct 31, 2016 23:30:13 GMT -5
that's the worst proof Liam could release a decent album though Yeah, but BTL doesnt helps at all to the case either. song is good. just how it ended up on the record is a bit of a mess. take this song and throw it to the universe crossed with an harmony the Kinks would have made. best first single by any of the Gallagher since The Hindu Times. and call it Bring The Fight ffs
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Nov 1, 2016 15:00:32 GMT -5
I want Liam Gallagher solo to step out of the shadow of oasis. I want him to be so good and original that I don't regret oasis breaking up.
Noel has done that for me; although you miss liam's voice, you're getting so much varied and large quantities of content from Noel's (all noel written, obviously) albums.
Liam leaves me feeling like Beady Eye was oasis' shell, and NGHFB was oasis' brain.
I desperately want liam's solo material to surprise me. I'm sick of his throwback rock and roll because he isn't the greatest rock and roll singer anymore, and hasn't been in the past decade, so he needs to learn new tricks. Maybe pop music would be interesting. I just really want to be impressed because I know there's something left of him.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 1, 2016 17:56:10 GMT -5
Liam's solo album has a fair shot at being good. Why not?
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Nov 1, 2016 18:40:47 GMT -5
I want Liam Gallagher solo to step out of the shadow of oasis. I want him to be so good and original that I don't regret oasis breaking up. Noel has done that for me; although you miss liam's voice, you're getting so much varied and large quantities of content from Noel's (all noel written, obviously) albums. Liam leaves me feeling like Beady Eye was oasis' shell, and NGHFB was oasis' brain. I desperately want liam's solo material to surprise me. I'm sick of his throwback rock and roll because he isn't the greatest rock and roll singer anymore, and hasn't been in the past decade, so he needs to learn new tricks. Maybe pop music would be interesting. I just really want to be impressed because I know there's something left of him. Well said. Noel has specifically mentioned how many HFB songs would never have been released as Oasis songs (What a Life, Mighty I, The Right Stuff) - his solo stuff is different enough that you can mostly enjoy it without thinking "this is just Oasis without Liam". Beady Eye, for the most part, was "this is just Oasis without good songwriting". Well, Liam's not going to beat Noel at that, so if he does another Lennon-60s style album it will be a disappointment for sure. He has to find his own niche. Maybe he should try for a more psychedelic sound - Verve, Roses, Charlatans style.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 1, 2016 19:39:11 GMT -5
I want Liam Gallagher solo to step out of the shadow of oasis. I want him to be so good and original that I don't regret oasis breaking up. Noel has done that for me; although you miss liam's voice, you're getting so much varied and large quantities of content from Noel's (all noel written, obviously) albums. Liam leaves me feeling like Beady Eye was oasis' shell, and NGHFB was oasis' brain. I desperately want liam's solo material to surprise me. I'm sick of his throwback rock and roll because he isn't the greatest rock and roll singer anymore, and hasn't been in the past decade, so he needs to learn new tricks. Maybe pop music would be interesting. I just really want to be impressed because I know there's something left of him. Well said. Noel has specifically mentioned how many HFB songs would never have been released as Oasis songs (What a Life, Mighty I, The Right Stuff) - his solo stuff is different enough that you can mostly enjoy it without thinking "this is just Oasis without Liam". Beady Eye, for the most part, was "this is just Oasis without good songwriting". Well, Liam's not going to beat Noel at that, so if he does another Lennon-60s style album it will be a disappointment for sure. He has to find his own niche. Maybe he should try for a more psychedelic sound - Verve, Roses, Charlatans style. I couldn't disagree more. The HFB songs you mention are some of the very few I can't imagine Oasis having recorded and to be honest had Noel kept them for himself to sing he could have put them on there where he wanted. If there was no group objection to GOYHHL being put on a record I could hardly see one being given to those. I think BE is at least as different as anything Noel has done if not more so. Not that there's a problem with that but I find it a strange stick to beat Liam with given what Noel has released since 2009.
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Post by underneaththesky on Nov 1, 2016 21:49:11 GMT -5
Noel has specifically mentionned a shitload of crap in his life. Liam too... but who cares.. as long as the music is good.
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Post by glider on Nov 1, 2016 22:49:03 GMT -5
BE was a step in the right direction. Aside from Iz Rite and Face the Crowd, I didn't get a lame 60s Beatles/Stones/Who tribute act vibe that stinks all over DGSS.
I suggest getting Dave Sitek back and continue exploring psychedelic themes because I definitely enjoyed the work they did together.
Keep it basic - when you get tons of people to collaborate with you, things can get off focused and you lose sight of what you really want to do. It can result in an album that's all over the place.
Start Anew is one of my favorite Beady Eye songs and Liam's best penned track to date. That song without Sitek's production would be a bit pale though.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 2, 2016 4:22:33 GMT -5
Well said. Noel has specifically mentioned how many HFB songs would never have been released as Oasis songs (What a Life, Mighty I, The Right Stuff) - his solo stuff is different enough that you can mostly enjoy it without thinking "this is just Oasis without Liam". Beady Eye, for the most part, was "this is just Oasis without good songwriting". Well, Liam's not going to beat Noel at that, so if he does another Lennon-60s style album it will be a disappointment for sure. He has to find his own niche. Maybe he should try for a more psychedelic sound - Verve, Roses, Charlatans style. I couldn't disagree more. The HFB songs you mention are some of the very few I can't imagine Oasis having recorded and to be honest had Noel kept them for himself to sing he could have put them on there where he wanted. If there was no group objection to GOYHHL being put on a record I could hardly see one being given to those. I think BE is at least as different as anything Noel has done if not more so. Not that there's a problem with that but I find it a strange stick to beat Liam with given what Noel has released since 2009. Agree, the kind of HFB songs Oasis would've recorded would be more along the lines of Stranded On The Wrong Beach, probably Everybody's On The Run, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 7:42:46 GMT -5
I want Liam Gallagher solo to step out of the shadow of oasis. I want him to be so good and original that I don't regret oasis breaking up. Noel has done that for me; although you miss liam's voice, you're getting so much varied and large quantities of content from Noel's (all noel written, obviously) albums. Liam leaves me feeling like Beady Eye was oasis' shell, and NGHFB was oasis' brain. I desperately want liam's solo material to surprise me. I'm sick of his throwback rock and roll because he isn't the greatest rock and roll singer anymore, and hasn't been in the past decade, so he needs to learn new tricks. Maybe pop music would be interesting. I just really want to be impressed because I know there's something left of him. Well said. Noel has specifically mentioned how many HFB songs would never have been released as Oasis songs (What a Life, Mighty I, The Right Stuff) - his solo stuff is different enough that you can mostly enjoy it without thinking "this is just Oasis without Liam". Beady Eye, for the most part, was "this is just Oasis without good songwriting". Well, Liam's not going to beat Noel at that, so if he does another Lennon-60s style album it will be a disappointment for sure. He has to find his own niche. Maybe he should try for a more psychedelic sound - Verve, Roses, Charlatans style. HFB was Oasis 8th album with Noel on vocals, where I think only Four Letter Word sounds like Oasis in the same way as Thank You for the Good Times sounds like Oasis.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Nov 2, 2016 10:33:27 GMT -5
I had this dream last night where I met Liam and asked him for some sniff and he got out this thing that looked like a cross between a tick tac box and a storm proof lighter (kinda like this i.ebayimg.com/images/i/391126675097-0-1/s-l1000.jpg), he put some on my thumb nail and I sniffed it like snuff. Then I gave him a pack of fags and then I started mumbling "when you kiss the bass of my spine, turn my body into your shr--iiin-eee" and he said no wait, that's not how it should be sung and belted out the whole song acapella. That was the end of the dream. Biblical.
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