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Post by dyinglight94 on Mar 25, 2016 19:09:18 GMT -5
I know the title sounds like I probably hate or dislike the record, but I love it! However, it's always occurred to me why they released this. Especially after the media and the casual crowd turned on Oasis following 'Be Here Now', and I guess it became 'cool' to hate on 'em - especially due to the Be Here Now treatment, fading badboy images, folk getting sick of Liam etc. Anyway, was 'The Masterplan' record released in '98 just to fill in a void whilst they took a bit of a break after the Be Here Now Tour, or was it really for people who didn't have the b-sides, or did Noel want it released? etc. Thanks.
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 25, 2016 19:17:28 GMT -5
It was released mainly for the american market I guess, also aimed for places where people couldn't get their b-sides.
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Post by carryusall on Mar 25, 2016 19:19:04 GMT -5
For the Money
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Post by carryusall on Mar 25, 2016 19:19:57 GMT -5
Although it is nice to have all the songs in one place. And sometimes, only sometimes, I think it might be their best record.
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Post by matt on Mar 25, 2016 19:20:23 GMT -5
It was largely for American audiences who didn't have access to the single release format from the UK, as many of them knew nothing about these songs (I think.... Please correct if wrong anyone).
Though frustratingly for many, I still think they left off some great songs - par for the course for Oasis, no release is ever perfect!
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 25, 2016 19:32:02 GMT -5
People outside UK didn't know much about those "lost" songs, Oasis used to play their b-sides at american gigs and the public were asking themselves: which album those songs were from?
Also at the time downloading music wasn't as popular as today, dunno if it even existed to begin with.
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Post by jaq515 on Mar 25, 2016 20:12:02 GMT -5
Exactly this!! They didn't spend all that money on marketing in the uk, released the fan club only vinyl boxset in uk with any American market in mind. It was to resell us the same songs fans had on singles/eps. It was released just in time for Xmas 98 after BHN sales had died off .. Stop gap album / cash in between BHN and SOTSOG.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 25, 2016 20:17:18 GMT -5
Exactly this!! They didn't spend all that money on marketing in the uk, released the fan club only vinyl boxset in uk with any American market in mind. It was to resell us the same songs fans had on singles/eps. It was released just in time for Xmas 98 after BHN sales had died off .. Stop gap album / cash in between BHN and SOTSOG. Re-issue, re-issue, re-package....
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Post by jaq515 on Mar 25, 2016 20:21:28 GMT -5
Exactly this!! They didn't spend all that money on marketing in the uk, released the fan club only vinyl boxset in uk with any American market in mind. It was to resell us the same songs fans had on singles/eps. It was released just in time for Xmas 98 after BHN sales had died off .. Stop gap album / cash in between BHN and SOTSOG. Re-issue, re-issue, re-package.... Was only 2 years before they had already re resold the singles in the 'cigarette box sets' When only 2 years before that the singles were all brand new..
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Post by adam78 on Mar 25, 2016 22:57:53 GMT -5
It was mostly because they had 6 album deal to fulfill
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Post by liamsvoice on Mar 26, 2016 4:51:23 GMT -5
You guys do realise theres also other countries besides US and UK? And it was also not that easy in europe to get the older singles outside the UK, don´t know about asia but as it was number 5 in Japan i guess they were also quite happy to get those songs.
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 26, 2016 5:43:29 GMT -5
TEH_MSTRPLN_RMX 1. Acquiesce 2. Underneath the Sky 3. Rockin' Chair 4. Fade Away 5. Sad Song 6. Round Are Way 7. Headshrinker 8. Listen Up 9. Stay Young 10. Going Nowhere 11. Step Out 12. (It's Good) To be Free 13. Talk Tonight 14. The Swamp Song 15. It's Better People 16. D'Yer Wanna Be a Spaceman? 17. The Masterplan
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Post by davidjay on Mar 26, 2016 5:45:57 GMT -5
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Post by guigsysEstring on Mar 26, 2016 6:42:41 GMT -5
You guys do realise theres also other countries besides US and UK? And it was also not that easy in europe to get the older singles outside the UK, don´t know about asia but as it was number 5 in Japan i guess they were also quite happy to get those songs. Yes we do but having worked in the business for years at the time the US market was by far and away the largest consumer of record sales, followed by the UK then Germany (those two switch places alot) and then Japan. That isn't to say music fans and sales aren't apprieciated the world over, but sheer volume of sales in the bigger territories made physical records cheaper to produce and therefore easier to mark up for a profit. Also in minor territories, an industry term where sales are expected to be comparatively low, third party licensees are used as it isn't always worth having a full time label office there even for a major, but this will obviously eat into the profits from sales quite substantially. This is historically why the focus was very much on the primary markets for record sales, although the advent of downloading and streaming has brought earnings up to a similar level regardless of territories sold for digital sales. The Masterplan sold circa 143,000 physical copies in Japan (Oricon) against 685,000 in the UK. Depending on how Japan was classified in their record deal (primary or secondary territory) then the royalty rate could be less as well- this wouldn't necessarily be that strange as having as few primary territories as possible in a deal favours the record company over the artist. The band sold 156,000 copies in the USA (Soundscan) which is nothing on the 1,000,000 each for DM/BHN or 4,000,000 for WTSMG but these sales still came at a time when Oasis had been completely written off in the US mainstream so was not considered a complete disaster despite the drop off in sales. The latter shows the difference in territories- if those US sales for The Masterplan had been in say Argentina or Spain the record company bosses would have been doing cartwheels in celebration as record sales in general rarely broke 100,000 physical sales in these countries.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 26, 2016 11:03:37 GMT -5
Love this compilation. Put all my favorite Oasis b-sides on a single CD which in the late 90s was very very difficult to do as an American. The singles I had were expensive imports and the technology to digitize your CDs and burn CDs was not universal yet. There was also no Napster (yet) and the Internet was 90% dial up. Cavemen times. I remember it took me over an hour to download and watch the first Phantom Menace trailer!
My only regret with The Masterplan was the criminal omission of "Round Are Way". Fantastic b-side. Deserved a better place in Oasis history.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 26, 2016 11:33:50 GMT -5
I'm so glad that didn't happen. Compared to 'The Masterplan', 'B-Sides Ourselves' is a horrible title, and the tracklisting is beyond bad - especially the nonsensical/nonexistent flow.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Mar 26, 2016 11:35:36 GMT -5
didnt they ask fans to vote on which songs were to end up on TMP
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 26, 2016 11:53:54 GMT -5
didnt they ask fans to vote on which songs were to end up on TMP Yes they did.
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 26, 2016 12:05:52 GMT -5
I saw that TM sold 2 million copies worldwide and went #2 in UK charts, great numbers for a b-side compilation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 12:21:10 GMT -5
didnt they ask fans to vote on which songs were to end up on TMP Underneath The Sky was Noel's choice.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Mar 26, 2016 14:27:28 GMT -5
I saw that TM sold 2 million copies worldwide and went #2 in UK charts, great numbers for a b-side compilation. Warner Music- Oasis pdfMarch 2009 press/sales release from Warners confirming sales to date as of 31st March 2009 for all releases, with The Masterplan at 2,000,000 along with Heathen Chemistry. Interestingly they have SOTSOG at 3,000,000 worldwide and therefore outselling HC. I have posted this pdf before but couldn't find it so reuploaded
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 26, 2016 15:14:44 GMT -5
I saw that TM sold 2 million copies worldwide and went #2 in UK charts, great numbers for a b-side compilation. Warner Music- Oasis pdfMarch 2009 press/sales release from Warners confirming sales to date as of 31st March 2009 for all releases, with The Masterplan at 2,000,000 along with Heathen Chemistry. Interestingly they have SOTSOG at 3,000,000 worldwide and therefore outselling HC. I have posted this pdf before but couldn't find it so reuploaded I thought that HC has sold more copies than SOTSOG. Wow, DBTT has really sold 6 million copies, impressive.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 26, 2016 15:57:07 GMT -5
I saw that TM sold 2 million copies worldwide and went #2 in UK charts, great numbers for a b-side compilation. Warner Music- Oasis pdfMarch 2009 press/sales release from Warners confirming sales to date as of 31st March 2009 for all releases, with The Masterplan at 2,000,000 along with Heathen Chemistry. Interestingly they have SOTSOG at 3,000,000 worldwide and therefore outselling HC. I have posted this pdf before but couldn't find it so reuploaded Based off of the Warners PDF Pamphlet: Definitely Maybe: 7 million What's The Story: 20 million+ (Not Listed, Number comes from Wiki) Be Here Now: 8 million The Masterplan: 2 million Standing On the Shoulder of Giants: 3 million Heathen Chemistry: 2 million Don't Believe The Truth: 6 million Dig Out Your Soul: ?? (Not Listed) What's interesting looking at this is that DBTT really was a resurrection - taking into account that by 2005 the internet was booming at fast speeds and internet piracy was rampant as ever, and yet it still sold triple than that of it's predecessor, Heathen Chemistry. A return to form, indeed. What's the official number for DOYS? I know it's lower than DBTT.....
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Post by freddy838 on Mar 26, 2016 16:12:59 GMT -5
Yeah I really never would have guessed DBTT would be that high. I love the Masterplan album, it's really a special achievement to have such high quality b-sides plus other songs that didn't make the album that were just as good. It cements Oasis's legacy as much as the first two albums IMO.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Mar 26, 2016 16:12:59 GMT -5
Warner Music- Oasis pdfMarch 2009 press/sales release from Warners confirming sales to date as of 31st March 2009 for all releases, with The Masterplan at 2,000,000 along with Heathen Chemistry. Interestingly they have SOTSOG at 3,000,000 worldwide and therefore outselling HC. I have posted this pdf before but couldn't find it so reuploaded Based off of the Warners PDF Pamphlet: Definitely Maybe: 7 million What's The Story: 20 million+ (Not Listed, Number comes from Wiki) Be Here Now: 8 million The Masterplan: 2 million Standing On the Shoulder of Giants: 3 million Heathen Chemistry: 2 million Don't Believe The Truth: 6 million Dig Out Your Soul: ?? (Not Listed) What's interesting looking at this is that DBTT really was a resurrection - taking into account that by 2005 the internet was booming at fast speeds and internet piracy was rampant as ever, and yet it still sold triple than that of it's predecessor, Heathen Chemistry. A return to form, indeed. What's the official number for DOYS? I know it's lower than DBTT..... The BPI had DOYS as 2,000,000 worldwide at the point they split up. In fairness that is still great business in the face of downloading and streaming. As a comparison Hard-Fi released Stars of CCTV in 2005 and sold 1,200,000 worldwide, including platinum status in the UK (300,000 certified sales). Their follow up in 2007 reached number 1 in the UK but only achieved 70,000 sales, less than a tenth from two years previous. Admittedly Hard-Fi were not established like Oasis in 2005 so it was a new band, but for DOYS to only go to similar sales of HC and SOTSOG which came out at the start of the century when the internet was not as rampant for all things media shows an even more positive light on this achievement.
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