mattyo
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Post by mattyo on Jan 14, 2016 9:43:09 GMT -5
So I am towards the end of Tony's book. It's been a great read so far and to be honest alot of the tales I can see been pretty plausible. Yes, I have also seen the 'plot holes' and instances of bending the truth like the fat scouse girl in 1994 asking if Tony wanting to watch 'dee vee deeez' but it is expected.
But, apart from those 'holes' it's been a great read. Interesting how terribly Guigs comes off. He seemed like a right brown nosing twat, always on Noels side. It's not really surprising about the contract changes and Noel playing 'grand master'. The 'Beatles Teachings' made me giggle, utterly farcical but listening to interviews over the years it is clearly something they had been brewing. As much as it is clearly embellished to make things seem a lot more exciting and interesting I can definitely imagine Noel been a real bully back then and the way he has treated Tony since leaving the band was nothing short of a disgrace. No real need to be honest. But hey, he has always been like that it seems so I don't think it is an act, thats for sure.
Liam comes off great and you can really imagine him back then in the early days, just full on, mouthy but ultimately a good and honest lad. Bonehead is great, a total nutter who never gave a fuck. It's no real wonder Guigs hasn't been seen for years. He had his fixed and fucked off. I doubt he will be in the new Oasis Doc, we will never hear from him ever again, shame really.
I'm not down for an Oasis reunion because it will be the Oasis of 2008/2009 which is utterly boring and forgettable to me. If they do it, they have to go the whole hog and bring back Bonehead and Guigs and either Tony or Alan. Simple as that.
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Post by mossy on Jan 14, 2016 10:04:32 GMT -5
Still not got round to getting this yet, definitely need to give it a read.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 11:14:23 GMT -5
I hope Bonehead will write a book about his Oasis years too.
"I like Noel outside the band. Human Noel - that's my brother - I fucking adore him and I'd do anything for him. But the geezer that's in this fucking business, he's one of the biggest cocks of the universe."
- Liam Gallagher, NME 2013
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 14, 2016 11:23:00 GMT -5
Still not got round to getting this yet, definitely need to give it a read. Yeah same.
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Post by noliamno on Jan 14, 2016 12:16:59 GMT -5
I've read it, as well. I agree that it was a good read, but McCarroll clearly has an axe to grind. He portrayed Guigsy as weak because he sided with Noel. Plain as that.
The guy was trying to sell a book. I can't blame him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 13:21:08 GMT -5
Very interesting read. I imagine that the true version of events lies somewhere between what we've heard from the Gallagher's and what Tony writes in this book.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 13:22:20 GMT -5
Don't really blame him for sniping at Noel, as Noel's been making remarks about him for years so I suppose he has the right to hit back a bit.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Jan 14, 2016 14:13:32 GMT -5
Bouncing Back...
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 14, 2016 15:51:26 GMT -5
Said it before but that book should have carried the sub title "(One man's take on....)" Tony McCarroll is entitled to his views but as @rfb has already said the truth is probably buried in amongst each party's own versions of events. With regards to Guigsy it was documented even at the time by Paolo Hewitt in "Getting High" and commented on by former security guard Ian Robertson that for all the animosity from the other four band members towards McCarroll it was Guigsy who had it in for him the most, peaking at a point in Japan where the bassist threatened to knife McCarroll if he didn't shut up and leave Guigsy alone. Interestingly according to Hewitt when McCarroll went to Noel's room to complain about this he was met with the reply "Well you tell Guigsy I'm first in line, and if he does it before me he's got me to deal with". This to me suggests at the very least some serious and possibly long term issues between Guigsy and McCarroll, the reasons for which have not as far as I am aware ever been made public. With regards to the sessions musician contract that enabled McCarroll to be sacked, it was fairly obvious even in 1994 that he wasn't long destined for the band once they were signed and on the up. I don't know their reasons for not sacking him before they were signed, but the only reason he was retained when they did sign to Sony Music was Marcus Russell advised the band that unless they had a replacement immediately lined up, which they did not, then they would either have to put everything back two months by cancelling gigs and recording sessions whilst searching for a replacement, which could have derailed their momentum, or stick with him until such time they were ready and able to replace him. The sessions musician contract was the solution from a band and management point of view, and whilst in some eyes unfair on Tony McCarroll it should also have spelt out to him where he stood in the band. Unfortunately for him by signing it not only were the band able to sack him easily in 1995, but he also hamstrung his own attempts to sue for loss of earnings as the band's legal team were able to argue he was legally only a sessions drummer, meaning the case came down to whether or not a judge would think McCarroll had been coerced or misinformed, and why he settled for a comparatively low £600,000 minus costs. Ultimately Tony McCarroll hasn't done badly out of Oasis- he played on the debut album, whatever EP and Some Might Say, has kept in the limelight on and off over the years from appearing in various features on the band, and has marked his place in history as a musician (whether Noel likes it or not ). The lost opportunity to make millions probably does still grate, but he went further than Chris Hutton with the band, and in fairness still made more of a financial and musical success than countless other musicians who have been rightly or wrongly thrown out of bands they were part of from the start. The book has enabled him to reply to some of the criticisms leveled at him, particularly by Noel, as well as give his version of other events. As with all truths to a large extent they are in the eye of the beholder, but at least in his mind I would hope he feels he has been able to set the record straight.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 14, 2016 15:54:26 GMT -5
I haven't bought it yet - I was against the concept of it and am still unsure. Is Tony's tone one of grudging, sniping, and twisting facts all for the purpose of him becoming somewhat relevant again in this money make scheme? Or is he rather credible and honest throughout?Can someone please answer this? It goes a long way in whether or not I pick it up. ( mattyo, and any other's who have read it). I do have the new Arsene Wenger book by John Cross to be getting myself stuck into, in any case (Xmas present I asked for).
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 14, 2016 16:10:16 GMT -5
I haven't bought it yet - I was against the concept of it and am still unsure. Is Tony's tone one of grudging, sniping, and twisting facts all for the purpose of him becoming somewhat relevant again in this money make scheme? Or is he rather credible and honest throughout?Can someone please answer this? It goes a long way in whether or not I pick it up. ( mattyo , and any other's who have read it). I do have the new Arsene Wenger book by John Cross to be getting myself stuck into, in any case (Xmas present I asked for).Twenty years of haranguing other clubs to lower their transfer fees before complaining a player has gone elsewhere, top four finishes, January to May form collapses that lose the titles other than the unbeatable season, still with top four finishes all the way and having seen off every manager he started out with including Fergie- The man has a story to tell BTW Let me know if the book mentions that the Economics and Politics mastermind that is Wenger was actually responsible for all financial success at Arsenal since he took over, including the move to Ashburton Grove, and that the Directors simply do his bidding Seriously, twenty years, the likes of him and Fergie will never happen again.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 14, 2016 16:32:40 GMT -5
I commented on this whole contract matter before. I can't remember how I put it, but it was something along the lines of: he could read, and when you sign something it's very important to read it all first, especially with something as big as this. It's partially his own fault. When you get a contract you make sure it's all right and that you're well informed, no matter how old you are. Anyone can read.
That tells me he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
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Post by mattyo on Jan 14, 2016 18:37:09 GMT -5
I haven't bought it yet - I was against the concept of it and am still unsure. Is Tony's tone one of grudging, sniping, and twisting facts all for the purpose of him becoming somewhat relevant again in this money make scheme? Or is he rather credible and honest throughout?Can someone please answer this? It goes a long way in whether or not I pick it up. ( mattyo, and any other's who have read it). I do have the new Arsene Wenger book by John Cross to be getting myself stuck into, in any case (Xmas present I asked for). I wouldn't say it is sniping or twisting facts but I can tell there is a real grudge there from Tony towards Noel. And tbh, I cant blame him.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 14, 2016 18:40:12 GMT -5
I haven't bought it yet - I was against the concept of it and am still unsure. Is Tony's tone one of grudging, sniping, and twisting facts all for the purpose of him becoming somewhat relevant again in this money make scheme? Or is he rather credible and honest throughout?Can someone please answer this? It goes a long way in whether or not I pick it up. ( mattyo, and any other's who have read it). I do have the new Arsene Wenger book by John Cross to be getting myself stuck into, in any case (Xmas present I asked for). I wouldn't say it is sniping or twisting facts but I can tell there is a real grudge there from Tony towards Noel. And tbh, I cant blame him. I'm assuming you would recommend the book, then? Also, is it more anecdotal? - I have Getting High (which is poorly written), the anecdotal chapters are amazing, the background stuff like Peggy's upbringing is boring as fuck. Basically, is Tony's book written for the real fans?
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 14, 2016 18:44:00 GMT -5
I thoroughly enjoyed Tony's book when I read it.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 14, 2016 18:53:27 GMT -5
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jan 15, 2016 18:05:41 GMT -5
I like it everytime tony refers to drugs as goodtime. Makes me laugh every time.
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Post by Regi on Jan 15, 2016 19:11:24 GMT -5
I hope Bonehead will write a book about his Oasis years too. "I like Noel outside the band. Human Noel - that's my brother - I fucking adore him and I'd do anything for him. But the geezer that's in this fucking business, he's one of the biggest cocks of the universe." - Liam Gallagher, NME 2013 I would love to read Bonehead's take on the Oasis years, but I doubt he would ever do it. He's one of the lads and still very good mates with Liam and Guigsy. 'What goes on tour stays on tour' and all that stuff. That man was utter, utter chaos!
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 16, 2016 14:04:52 GMT -5
This ain't a thread on Tony's book unless it includes bigun.
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Post by davidjay on Jan 16, 2016 14:12:55 GMT -5
Anyone know when BigUn's book is due out?
I did check a few weeks back but it seemed to have been delayed. Would appreciate any info on this. Thanks.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 17, 2016 10:44:41 GMT -5
Anyone know when BigUn's book is due out? I did check a few weeks back but it seemed to have been delayed. Would appreciate any info on this. Thanks. Big Un Twitter
Nothing concrete yet David, I don't have twitter but if you do you could try asking Big 'Un himself
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jan 17, 2016 18:52:10 GMT -5
Just finished it tonight great read.
Tony was spot on that the band started to change (for the worse IMHO) once he left (well he would say that but he's right).
Live By The Sea is one of if not the best live oasis performances IMHO. Just shows how tight they were as a unit around that time.
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Post by davidjay on Jan 18, 2016 16:51:37 GMT -5
Anyone know when BigUn's book is due out? I did check a few weeks back but it seemed to have been delayed. Would appreciate any info on this. Thanks. Big Un Twitter
Nothing concrete yet David, I don't have twitter but if you do you could try asking Big 'Un himself Ah good idea, thanks! I just asked BigUn on Twitter and he kindly got back explaining that he has "had few legal probs release date is now March".
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 18, 2016 17:26:30 GMT -5
Alan Partridge - one of Britain's finest ever comedy creations. It's a damn shame the Brits cut comedies short, Peep Show not withstanding. Alan Partridge is excellent though - watched his series so many times, and still laugh out loud. Top.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 18, 2016 17:28:13 GMT -5
Anyone know when BigUn's book is due out? I did check a few weeks back but it seemed to have been delayed. Would appreciate any info on this. Thanks. I'm not reading that crackpot's story. And I'm most certainly not going to give him any money from his sheer exploitation of having an Oasis "connection" (and I use that term loosely). Sorry, no thanks.
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