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Post by girllikeabomb on Apr 6, 2022 18:00:10 GMT -5
Whatever life exists after nuclear war is likely to be a lot more Moloch than monke. ("Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unobtainable dollars! Children screaming under the stairways! Boys sobbing in armies! Old men weeping in the parks! Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the loveless! Mental Moloch! Moloch the heavy judger of men! ... Moloch the vast stone of war! Moloch the stunned governments! Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers are ten armies! Moloch whose breast is a cannibal dynamo! Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb!")
Doesn’t sound as bad as liams new song 🤓
Too bad Allen is dead, because I'd be all in on a Ginsberg/Gallagher collab.
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Post by funhouse on Apr 7, 2022 16:27:06 GMT -5
Nazi punks fuck off.
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Post by oasisserbia on Apr 8, 2022 2:31:39 GMT -5
Nothing is happening. I see now, yesterday 2000 people gave support to Russia, who gives a shit, there are idiots like that everywhere. We have election in april, all parties are controled by west. There was some hope during environmental protests few months ago but that is done now. Opposition is doing all the wrong things and as they are controlled by the west, just like ruling party, its obvious that they don't want to win the election and that west is fine with Aleksandar Vucic as dictator of Serbia. So Vucic will stay president. He may some bad things about NATO or EU but that is all for popularity, don't worry, he is doing everything that they say. So I can't see how there be conflict on Balkans between puppets states controlled by western states. We support Ukraine’s sovereignty but opposes sanctions on Russia. That is how Vucic rules, that is what average Serb wants to hear. That desicion will stay until elections, then we will be impose sanctions on Russia if needed. So, nothing is happening, nobody is goint to war against each other, nobody will support Russia. Whole Balkan is western colony. As I said, Serbia is green on that list, elections are over.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 9, 2022 7:33:59 GMT -5
Of course Putin is a war criminal. But do you really think he gives a damn about labels and name calling?
Putin has three main options:
1. He gets killed by a US or Ukraine rocket strike.
2. He gets captured and is found guilty of War Crimes, and sentenced to an immediate death via death penalty.
3. Or he realizes the first two options kills him regardless, and thus doesn't give a damn about starting a nuclear war.
If you were Putin, you'd hedge your bet on the third option. The man is backed into a corner, and literally has nothing to lose at this point - he's plunged his own damn country into abject poverty.
That's what makes this all a very precarious situation. I'm not saying anything new.
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Post by jezza2 on Apr 9, 2022 9:29:20 GMT -5
Of course Putin is a war criminal. But do you really think he gives a damn about labels and name calling? Putin has three main options: 1. He gets killed by a US or Ukraine rocket strike. 2. He gets captured and is found guilty of War Crimes, and sentenced to an immediate death via death penalty. 3. Or he realizes the first two options kills him regardless, and thus doesn't give a damn about starting a nuclear war. If you were Putin, you'd hedge your bet on the third option. The man is backed into a corner, and literally has nothing to lose at this point - he's plunged his own damn country into abject poverty. That's what makes this all a very precarious situation. I'm not saying anything new. I don’t understand why you think the only option for Putin now is “fuck it, if I can’t have Ukraine, no one can” and just start a nuclear war. Why do people fetishize nuclear war? I’m not saying the possibility is 0, but Putin himself knows that nukes will only be used as an empty threat and a scare tactic. I can be wrong, maybe Putin wants to make the territory he wants so badly uninhabitable.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Apr 9, 2022 15:36:39 GMT -5
Of course Putin is a war criminal. But do you really think he gives a damn about labels and name calling? Putin has three main options: 1. He gets killed by a US or Ukraine rocket strike. 2. He gets captured and is found guilty of War Crimes, and sentenced to an immediate death via death penalty. 3. Or he realizes the first two options kills him regardless, and thus doesn't give a damn about starting a nuclear war. If you were Putin, you'd hedge your bet on the third option. The man is backed into a corner, and literally has nothing to lose at this point - he's plunged his own damn country into abject poverty. That's what makes this all a very precarious situation. I'm not saying anything new.
Yikes, none of these options are even remotely likely and in fact there are many viable endings to this little misadventure that aren't these at all.
1. No one is launching rockets into the heart of Moscow, and if they do we can all say our goodbyes to life as we know it. Putin has far more to worry about from his own people. Live by the poison die by the poison.
2. There is no international criminal court that has real jurisdiction to do anything, let alone capture the heads of world powers (the US is not even a signatory to the one that exists). The likelihood of Putin ever standing trial is slim. Donald Rumsfeld managed to live out his days just fine.
3. There is so far little evidence that Russia has changed its nuclear posture. US intelligence doesn't see any unexpected activity at their missile sites. As Jezza2 said, the risk isn't zero and nuclear war certainly can happen if stakes are raised or mistakes are made, but so far, the red line deterrents are holding.
It's certainly a precarious situation and one that has horrifically increased the sum of the world's suffering, ruined the hopes and dreams of millions and created further environmental havoc. And the world needs to do everything possible to end it. But it is something different right now from nuclear brinksmanship: it is a cruel, brutal land war of attrition that can go on like this for some time.
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Post by fabulousbakers on Apr 9, 2022 17:04:37 GMT -5
Of course Putin is a war criminal. But do you really think he gives a damn about labels and name calling? Putin has three main options: 1. He gets killed by a US or Ukraine rocket strike. 2. He gets captured and is found guilty of War Crimes, and sentenced to an immediate death via death penalty. 3. Or he realizes the first two options kills him regardless, and thus doesn't give a damn about starting a nuclear war. If you were Putin, you'd hedge your bet on the third option. The man is backed into a corner, and literally has nothing to lose at this point - he's plunged his own damn country into abject poverty. That's what makes this all a very precarious situation. I'm not saying anything new. You forgot the fourth option - Putin declares the invasion a victory (whatever happens there), has a huge celebration parade, stays in power and eventually retires to a life of riches and luxury.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 9, 2022 19:09:42 GMT -5
It’s time to re-familiarize ourselves.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Apr 11, 2022 21:25:33 GMT -5
Of course Putin is a war criminal. But do you really think he gives a damn about labels and name calling? Putin has three main options: 1. He gets killed by a US or Ukraine rocket strike. 2. He gets captured and is found guilty of War Crimes, and sentenced to an immediate death via death penalty. 3. Or he realizes the first two options kills him regardless, and thus doesn't give a damn about starting a nuclear war. If you were Putin, you'd hedge your bet on the third option. The man is backed into a corner, and literally has nothing to lose at this point - he's plunged his own damn country into abject poverty. That's what makes this all a very precarious situation. I'm not saying anything new. 4. The E07 number station sends a young Robert Patrick into 1997 looking for Putin. (I kid)
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Post by RocketMan on Apr 12, 2022 7:03:17 GMT -5
Of course Putin is a war criminal. But do you really think he gives a damn about labels and name calling? Putin has three main options: 1. He gets killed by a US or Ukraine rocket strike. 2. He gets captured and is found guilty of War Crimes, and sentenced to an immediate death via death penalty. 3. Or he realizes the first two options kills him regardless, and thus doesn't give a damn about starting a nuclear war. If you were Putin, you'd hedge your bet on the third option. The man is backed into a corner, and literally has nothing to lose at this point - he's plunged his own damn country into abject poverty. That's what makes this all a very precarious situation. I'm not saying anything new. 4. The E07 number station sends a young Robert Patrick into 1997 looking for Putin. (I kid) Wouldn’t it be better to kill Stalin so Lenin finishes the communistic revolution?
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Post by globe on Apr 12, 2022 15:09:19 GMT -5
Of course Putin is a war criminal. But do you really think he gives a damn about labels and name calling? Putin has three main options: 1. He gets killed by a US or Ukraine rocket strike. 2. He gets captured and is found guilty of War Crimes, and sentenced to an immediate death via death penalty. 3. Or he realizes the first two options kills him regardless, and thus doesn't give a damn about starting a nuclear war. If you were Putin, you'd hedge your bet on the third option. The man is backed into a corner, and literally has nothing to lose at this point - he's plunged his own damn country into abject poverty. That's what makes this all a very precarious situation. I'm not saying anything new. Or 4. Your mate, the former guy, somehow wins in 2024 and goes to Moscow to suck his cock again.
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Post by oasisserbia on Apr 14, 2022 10:38:58 GMT -5
lol the USA isn’t forcing Ukraine to be in nato. And if Ukraine is for Ukrainians, then they can tell Russia to fuck off and give back Crimea. That’s why they are fighting. This has never been some Cold War proxy war bullshit, this is Russia taking Ukraine for itself and Ukraine fighting back. If Ukraine believes nato is best for Ukraine then they will join nato. That actually just shows how big idiot Putin is. Results from 2010 Today more than 70% wants to join NATO. All I am hoping that one day, in peace, they will decide about Crimea, joining NATO, EU... But nobody here is talking about what today. France is smaller than Ukraine and it took Hitler 6 weeks to occupy them. We are in third week of aggression. Ukraine hold on. Hold on waiting for what? War will be over in next few weeks and then it will be worse for negotiations than it is now. I really don't know what do you expect to happen? I won't write here anymore until April 16 and let's see what we will happen. And I am not looking forward at all to tell you: I told you so. I must say that I am happy to admit that I was wrong.
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Post by walterglass on Apr 16, 2022 15:20:11 GMT -5
Russia warning the West of “unpredictable consequences” if the support of Ukraine continues.
Saying it like the rest of the world will tremble with fear and only Russians have balls inside their bags.
Such folly.
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Post by RocketMan on Apr 20, 2022 13:24:18 GMT -5
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Post by RocketMan on Apr 21, 2022 10:43:15 GMT -5
Oh well
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Post by oasisserbia on Apr 21, 2022 11:42:27 GMT -5
It looks so surreal.
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Post by RocketMan on Apr 21, 2022 12:07:47 GMT -5
Like a cutscene from a command&conquer game. Im just waiting for a d-list actor to turn up and speak directly I to the camera
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Post by walterglass on Apr 27, 2022 11:43:26 GMT -5
When it gets to this point in any situation, the aggressor understands only war and punishment. They’ve left negotiation and diplomacy behind. They can be made to return to diplomacy - but it takes a bloodied nose to snap them back in to that mindset. Unfortunately. Far too much testosterone and bombast around at the minute.
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Post by oasisserbia on May 12, 2022 3:14:10 GMT -5
Sweden and Finland now want to be in NATO. Well done Putin, well played 🤣
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 14, 2022 21:04:56 GMT -5
Coup to oust Putin going on. If successful, hopefully whoever takes his place isn't worse.
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Post by Day Tripper on May 16, 2022 9:02:23 GMT -5
Coup to oust Putin going on. If successful, hopefully whoever takes his place isn't worse. Source? History shows that effective coups usually require a stronger and often even worse person/people to take their place. I wouldn't hold my breath for any succesful coup anytime soon. If someone takes his place it's more likely it will be because Putin's seen as a weak leader who needs to be replaced with someone who would help Russia to win the war. Both Finland and Sweden have decided to join NATO! Turkey, unfortunately, are likely to blackmail other countries to get what they want, which is to let them oppress Kurds even more. It's good to remember Greece denied Macedonia's NATO application for 10 years until they got what they wanted. So Turkey is a real concern now.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 16, 2022 10:05:05 GMT -5
Coup to oust Putin going on. If successful, hopefully whoever takes his place isn't worse. Source? History shows that effective coups usually require a stronger and often even worse person/people to take their place. I wouldn't hold my breath for any succesful coup anytime soon. If someone takes his place it's more likely it will be because Putin's seen as a weak leader who needs to be replaced with someone who would help Russia to win the war. Both Finland and Sweden have decided to join NATO! Turkey, unfortunately, are likely to blackmail other countries to get what they want, which is to let them oppress Kurds even more. It's good to remember Greece denied Macedonia's NATO application for 10 years until they got what they wanted. So Turkey is a real concern now. Saw it on the front page of yahoo news the night I posted it. Info came from the chief of Ukrainian intelligence.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2022 10:20:27 GMT -5
Source? History shows that effective coups usually require a stronger and often even worse person/people to take their place. I wouldn't hold my breath for any succesful coup anytime soon. If someone takes his place it's more likely it will be because Putin's seen as a weak leader who needs to be replaced with someone who would help Russia to win the war. Both Finland and Sweden have decided to join NATO! Turkey, unfortunately, are likely to blackmail other countries to get what they want, which is to let them oppress Kurds even more. It's good to remember Greece denied Macedonia's NATO application for 10 years until they got what they wanted. So Turkey is a real concern now. Saw it on the front page of yahoo news the night I posted it. Info came from the chief of Ukrainian intelligence. an old churchill quote said something like 'in war truth is so valuable it has to be protected by a bodyguard of lies'. I'm really doing my best to avoid taking anything that a 'chief of intelligence' from any country is saying
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 16, 2022 11:15:07 GMT -5
Saw it on the front page of yahoo news the night I posted it. Info came from the chief of Ukrainian intelligence. an old churchill quote said something like 'in war truth is so valuable it has to be protected by a bodyguard of lies'. I'm really doing my best to avoid taking anything that a 'chief of intelligence' from any country is saying True. It could be propaganda. But suggesting that Ukraine government might have nefarious intentions often leads to accusations of being a Putin supporter or pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine.
Just like mentioning the problem of the Azov battalion being comprised of white nationalist Nazi's has stirred up quite the debate. The prospect of arming said battalion is markedly similar to when the United States armed the mujahideen. Will they eventually use those weapons and equipment on their neighbors?
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Post by oasisserbia on May 17, 2022 8:41:18 GMT -5
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