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Post by jezza2 on Mar 13, 2022 18:34:33 GMT -5
The last two weeks in journalism: Putin is „literally Hitler meme“. Some even say he’s worse. Social media and liberal left journalism is slowly losing it. Then on on the other side: conservatives trying to figure out if they actually support Putin or not. We do live in a society I honestly believe we've hit a low point for American politics as some republicans are propping up putin because joe biden bad.
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Post by RocketMan on Mar 14, 2022 7:31:07 GMT -5
The last two weeks in journalism: Putin is „literally Hitler meme“. Some even say he’s worse. Social media and liberal left journalism is slowly losing it. Then on on the other side: conservatives trying to figure out if they actually support Putin or not. We do live in a society I honestly believe we've hit a low point for American politics as some republicans are propping up putin because joe biden bad. What years of Russian misinformation does to a mf
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Post by oasisserbia on Mar 15, 2022 17:14:15 GMT -5
Siege of Mariupol will be over soon, Russian navy joined the invasion, Odessa is next, after that, Ukraine will no longer have access to the sea. After that, Kiev is next and war be practically over. As each day goes by, Russian position in negotiations is stronger and stronger but yeah, let's do that later rather than sooner.
Sanctions? Lol. Russian live like shit anyway and have history of suffering and are not spoiled with good life anyway. Taking away from them McDonalds, Instagram, little bit of money... doesn't mean to them as much as it means to westerners. They don't have pannic attacks if battery on their iPhone is empty and they don't have charger near them.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 16, 2022 4:14:56 GMT -5
You can’t on the one hand ask if people want nuclear war and then on the other criticise the west for not sending in armies in that would ultimately make that more likely. Western governments haven’t sent Ukrainians to war. Ukrainians are at war because it’s been forced on them. Of the three things you mention that Russia want, the first is reasonable and could have been achieved without invading. The second I’d be interested for you to tell me what that actually means? What are they demilitarising? The third should have been sorted via an internationally observed referendum. Not arming separatists. A shame to think Russia could have got most of what it wants without murdering Ukrainian civilians. Instead it’s painted itself in to a corner and made it worse with countries like Finland considering joining NATO. Ukrainians wouldn't go to war without west supporting them do that. Putin is wild, crazy animal. You need to learn how to control it. West is playing with the tiger and treats him like it is cat and then cries when tiger bites. It's hard to justify behaviour of an aggressive tiger but when it bites you, and you were provoking, it's hard to tell whose fault it is. I don't know much about demilitarisation, I know that Russia want all nazi parts of Ukrainian army, and they really exist, to disappear. I guess that all that is negotiable but I guess that it means that if they become neutral country, there is no need for army that they have now which could be threat to Russia or Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk. It means probably that Ukraine would have normal army like an average European country has. I agree about referendum. And I already talked about that. Many wars, majority actually, could be stopped if everyone agreed to respect what people say on referendum. Let's settle that than. Putin want Crimea but doesn't allow independent Kosovo. West doesn't recognize Crimea or Catalonia but recognize Kosovo. When there are no rules, this is happening. The law of the strongest. Chechnya, Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Georgia, Syria... Of course they were going to war. To defend their homes with or without the West. The West has treated him like a Tiger for far to long, they have backed off and allowed him to intimidate and bully. The commitment to reduce reliance on Russia shows this change.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 16, 2022 4:22:40 GMT -5
Siege of Mariupol will be over soon, Russian navy joined the invasion, Odessa is next, after that, Ukraine will no longer have access to the sea. After that, Kiev is next and war be practically over. As each day goes by, Russian position in negotiations is stronger and stronger but yeah, let's do that later rather than sooner. Sanctions? Lol. Russian live like shit anyway and have history of suffering and are not spoiled with good life anyway. Taking away from them McDonalds, Instagram, little bit of money... doesn't mean to them as much as it means to westerners. They don't have pannic attacks if battery on their iPhone is empty and they don't have charger near them. Why don’t you just come out and say you support the Russian invasion rather than skirting round the edges. A little bit of money? Might want to take a look at the figures. It will hurt most.
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Post by oasisserbia on Mar 16, 2022 7:36:57 GMT -5
Because I don't.
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Post by oasisserbia on Mar 16, 2022 7:55:52 GMT -5
I hate all - Russia, China, USA and all the empires ever. If Russia occupies Ukraine, they would be 300km from Serbia. Why the fuck would I want that?
For example, look what happened to Yugoslavia after Tito died. Putin is dictator and Russia doesn't have the system. There are 99% of chance that it will be bad for Russia after Putin dies, like after death of every dictator and he is fucking old.
Sign peace, give him Donbas, save lifes and then wait a few years, things will change.
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Post by oasisserbia on Mar 16, 2022 7:59:43 GMT -5
But in meanwhile also, we have to work to give back Ukraine to Ukrainian people, fuck USA also for wanting Ukraine to be their NATO base. Ukraine to Ukrainians!
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Post by jezza2 on Mar 16, 2022 9:27:04 GMT -5
But in meanwhile also, we have to work to give back Ukraine to Ukrainian people, fuck USA also for wanting Ukraine to be their NATO base. Ukraine to Ukrainians! lol the USA isn’t forcing Ukraine to be in nato. And if Ukraine is for Ukrainians, then they can tell Russia to fuck off and give back Crimea. That’s why they are fighting. This has never been some Cold War proxy war bullshit, this is Russia taking Ukraine for itself and Ukraine fighting back. If Ukraine believes nato is best for Ukraine then they will join nato.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 16, 2022 10:00:01 GMT -5
But in meanwhile also, we have to work to give back Ukraine to Ukrainian people, fuck USA also for wanting Ukraine to be their NATO base. Ukraine to Ukrainians! Ukraine want to join NATO because errrr erm…if only I could remember why? Anyone know? 😂
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Post by RocketMan on Mar 16, 2022 10:08:15 GMT -5
But in meanwhile also, we have to work to give back Ukraine to Ukrainian people, fuck USA also for wanting Ukraine to be their NATO base. Ukraine to Ukrainians! Ukraine want to join NATO because errrr erm…if only I could remember why? Anyone know? 😂 Nato is useless. The Cold War is over, Russia would nev..ermind.
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Post by oasisserbia on Mar 16, 2022 10:14:43 GMT -5
But in meanwhile also, we have to work to give back Ukraine to Ukrainian people, fuck USA also for wanting Ukraine to be their NATO base. Ukraine to Ukrainians! lol the USA isn’t forcing Ukraine to be in nato. And if Ukraine is for Ukrainians, then they can tell Russia to fuck off and give back Crimea. That’s why they are fighting. This has never been some Cold War proxy war bullshit, this is Russia taking Ukraine for itself and Ukraine fighting back. If Ukraine believes nato is best for Ukraine then they will join nato. That actually just shows how big idiot Putin is. Results from 2010 Today more than 70% wants to join NATO. All I am hoping that one day, in peace, they will decide about Crimea, joining NATO, EU... But nobody here is talking about what today. France is smaller than Ukraine and it took Hitler 6 weeks to occupy them. We are in third week of aggression. Ukraine hold on. Hold on waiting for what? War will be over in next few weeks and then it will be worse for negotiations than it is now. I really don't know what do you expect to happen? I won't write here anymore until April 16 and let's see what we will happen. And I am not looking forward at all to tell you: I told you so.
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Post by RocketMan on Mar 16, 2022 10:40:22 GMT -5
„France is lost and so is half of Europe, we should just go back to the table and make a Deal with Hitler“ Churchill in a bizarro 1940 world
Edit: which is ironically what a lot of people wanted and what Hitler waited for
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Post by matt on Mar 16, 2022 18:31:54 GMT -5
I find the idolisation of Zelensky odd. The west has a real immature way of dealing with politics, and there always has to be this narrative of a hero involved.
For sure, his leadership at this time is not in question and his leadership is vital for the self-belief of Ukraine to not buckle under Russian tyranny. But he's going to have to make literally do or die decisions, the toughest decisions ever, and yet we have the media and social media here treating him as if he's a Hollywood superhero.
It just trivialises the severity of the war. Really is no maturity in these things nowadays.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Mar 17, 2022 14:22:42 GMT -5
Elon(a) Musk wants to fight Putin, why?
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Post by jezza2 on Mar 17, 2022 15:20:09 GMT -5
Elon(a) Musk wants to fight Putin, why? Because he's a hypocritical attention whore.
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Post by RocketMan on Mar 17, 2022 17:06:06 GMT -5
Elon(a) Musk wants to fight Putin, why? Because he's a hypocritical attention whore. He’s an edgelord billionaire who tries to be one of the boys but comes across as pathetic wannabe
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 17, 2022 17:06:16 GMT -5
Elon(a) Musk wants to fight Putin, why? Because he's all talk and knows his worshipers will slurp up his every word.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Mar 17, 2022 18:20:06 GMT -5
Elon(a) Musk wants to fight Putin, why? Because he's a hypocritical attention whore. I don't support the Chechen right hand man but I think he has a point.
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Post by RocketMan on Mar 20, 2022 14:01:51 GMT -5
B..but Russia just wants to protect their borders from NATO aggression. Right? RIGHT?
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Post by jezza2 on Mar 22, 2022 12:49:38 GMT -5
Japan imposed sanctions on Russia and naturally Putin's response was to withdraw from the WWII peace treaty talks involving the Kurils. Dude is just speed-running how many countries can he piss off.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Mar 22, 2022 15:46:35 GMT -5
Japan imposed sanctions on Russia and naturally Putin's response was to withdraw from the WWII peace treaty talks involving the Kurils. Dude is just speed-running how many countries can he piss off. Is Vlad stuck in 1945?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 23, 2022 9:19:09 GMT -5
So YouTuber Johnny FD, friend of Bald & Bankrupt setup a gofundme for the Ukraine situation. He also returned to the border to document the refugees with the intent to raise money for them. What is strange is that his partner in the GoFundMe is Dan Leal, a pornography director. I'm just going to say it. Kind of all seems shady. I have to honestly wonder if Johnny and Porno Dan aren't just going to pocket any of the donations they get ...
Even worse, I have to consider if Porno Dan's primary interest is to hunt for vulnerable 18 yo Ukrainian teens willing to do anything on camera for cash back in his safe filming grounds of Budapest?
Who wants to bet if donators will receive any confirmation their donations went to Ukraine? If my suspicions are accurate, I really hope they get exposed.
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Post by dampcottage on Mar 23, 2022 20:44:50 GMT -5
TheEscapist and shadowplay, curious to know where are you both from? North of England, land of drizzle and good music and flat caps. one thing I noticed from my time spent in england was the further north I roamed the better the people seemed!
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Post by dampcottage on Mar 23, 2022 20:50:33 GMT -5
TheEscapist and shadowplay, curious to know where are you both from? Norfolk, Great Yarmouth specifically. I've traveled the country following certain bands and I'm yet to see a more desolate and depressing place than my home town, I've had a good night out with some wonderful and interesting people in all towns and cities across the country but everytime I venture out here someone gets stabbed, I witness a group of lads beat the snot out of a girl, I see houses get smashed in, people beaten to a pulp for talking to the wrong girl etc combined with an 10% unemployment rate, it being one of the main brexit supporting towns lots of vaccine skepticism and just general rude, ignorant people, it's a shit place to live. I bet you wouldn't think a place like this exists in such a state in the south east, but it does and it's a hellhole. Maybe that plays into my current pessimism, who knows, people here experience nothing but relentless misery, maybe that is playing into my outlook on the war somewhat. I'm originally from Belfast and once a year the boys brigade takes kids on a trip to get them away from our own wonderful kind of hellhole...to great yarmouth! One man's shithole is another's paradise I suppose...
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