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Post by AdidasNG72 on Sept 3, 2015 8:08:07 GMT -5
Had this been the track listing for DM, I would have loved the album far more than I do.
1. Rock n Roll Star 2. Whatever 3. Live Forever 4. D'Yer Wanna be a Spaceman? 5. Fade Away 6. Supersonic 7. Cloudburst 8. Cigarettes & Alcohol 9. Listen Up 10. Slide Away 11. Half the World Away
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Post by beentherenow on Sept 3, 2015 9:12:12 GMT -5
I think the album is perfect the way it is, I also like how Whatever is it's own self-contained EP,
Listen Up is a great tune but is has a few similarities to Supersonic so having both might not have been an option.
The only song from that era I think might work is (It's Good) To Be Free instead of Up in the Sky and maybe given Sad Song a proper inclusion.
Nothing against Noel's Half The World Away but a DM era Liam vocal would have been great to hear.
I think DM is the album where Noel got his tracklisting more or less spot on
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 9:27:16 GMT -5
Only Sad Song should've been on the cd version
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 9:28:43 GMT -5
Had this been the track listing for DM, I would have loved the album far more than I do. 1. Rock n Roll Star 2. Whatever 3. Live Forever 4. D'Yer Wanna be a Spaceman? 5. Fade Away 6. Supersonic 7. Cloudburst 8. Cigarettes & Alcohol 9. Listen Up 10. Slide Away 11. Half the World Away Married with Children? Bring It on Down?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 9:34:03 GMT -5
1. Rock 'n' Roll Star 2. Bring it On Down 3. Live Forever 4. Half the World Away 5. Columbia 6. Supersonic 7. Cigarettes & Alcohol 8. Listen Up 9. Slide Away 10. Married With Children 11. Whatever
That's the playlist I use anyway.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 3, 2015 10:00:10 GMT -5
Bag It Up The Turning Waiting For The Rapt...oh wait
Seriously though,I think the album is fine as it is I see Whatever as kind of a bridge from DM to WTSMG,so there'd be no point in having it on DM...maybe D'Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman should have been on the album instead of Married With Children,then the obvious choice would be to swap Up In The Sky and Shakermaker for Fade Away and Listen Up,but they make for the perfect single with Cigarettes & Alcohol...
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Sept 3, 2015 10:25:00 GMT -5
Never understood the appeal for Spaceman. I don't even keep it in my collection.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 3, 2015 10:30:42 GMT -5
It's good the way it is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 11:06:16 GMT -5
Never understood the appeal for Spaceman. I don't even keep it in my collection. That's just a beautiful song. Beautiful lyrics, melody, backing vocals... just beautiful.
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Sept 3, 2015 11:13:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't have changed it. But agree that some songs that made it were not as good as songs that didn't. But one thing I love about oasis are the b-sides quality. It made it exciting at the time. Now you can do playlists etc it doesn't matter so much anyway
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Post by Aman on Sept 3, 2015 11:34:33 GMT -5
Dyer you wanna be a spaceman? Really?
I like Cloudburst, but it'll bring nothing to the Definitely Maybe party.
Same with Half The World Away, it's drab. Wouldn't have it instead of Columbia.
Definitely Maybe is meant to be an album full of energy and life.
No Bring It On Down?
Nah, not for me.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Sept 3, 2015 12:00:04 GMT -5
Although a small handful of better tracks existed, I think crowbarring them in would ruin the flow and the attitude of the album, makinging it altogether something different.
To summarize:
- D'Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman & Half The World Away are two of the bands finest tracks, but their inclusion would break the repeated stack of Liam sung electric guitar rock for an altogether different sound, something which may add to the album in some ways but also take others away. Married With Children works because it doesn't break up the flow due to it's positioning and it can pull off being a closer, something D'YWBAS & HTWA can't do. I'd have saved em for Round 2.
- Whatever just doesn't fit at all. Another one to keep back.
- I don't think Listen Up was ever truly in contention for Definitely Maybe and was a b-side creation post Sawmill Studios so it's not really fair giving Noel a hard time on that one.
- Cloudburst, I Will Believe, Take Me Away, Alive, It's Good To Be Free and Sad Song aren't good enough but make solid b-sides with the latter being the pick of the bunch.
- I'd also likely not include other tracks available during this period including either including Hello, She's Electric, All Around The World amongst others. Headshrinker however...
- I'd exchange Digsy's Dinner for Fade Away (A simple switch with no dramatic change in style) and end on Slide Away.
Apart from spunking away a few A list B-sides, overall I think Noel did a pretty good job. Thumbs up from me.
1) Rock 'N' Roll Star 2) Shakermaker 3) Live Forever 4) Up In The Sky 5) Columbia 6) Supersonic 7) Headshrinker 8) Bring It On Down 9) Cigarettes & Alcohol 10) Fade Away 11) Slide Away
To be fair, it's not much better, just a little more rocking than the original, so I wouldn't fight tooth and nail for it. Married With Children & Digsy's Dinner both have their benefits and make the album a little less 2d than the aforementioned, so although I think Fade Away & Headshrinker are better songs I'm not gonna say they make a better album, more a personal preference thing. I can happily take the original all day long.
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Sept 3, 2015 12:07:39 GMT -5
Although a small handful of better tracks existed, I think crowbarring them in would ruin the flow and the attitude of the album, makinging it altogether something different. To summarize: - D'Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman & Half The World Away are two of the bands finest tracks, but their inclusion would break the repeated stack of Liam sung electric guitar rock for an altogether different sound, something which may add to the album in some ways but also take others away. Married With Children works because it doesn't break up the flow due to it's positioning and it can pull off being a closer, something D'YWBAS & HTWA can't do. I'd have saved em for Round 2. - Whatever just doesn't fit at all. Another one to keep back. - I don't think Listen Up was ever truly in contention for Definitely Maybe and was a b-side creation post Sawmill Studios so it's not really fair giving Noel a hard time on that one. - Cloudburst, I Will Believe, Take Me Away, Alive, It's Good To Be Free and Sad Song aren't good enough but make solid b-sides with the latter being the pick of the bunch. - I'd also likely not include other tracks available during this period including either including Hello, She's Electric, All Around The World amongst others. - That leaves me with my one and only move, exchanging Digsy's Dinner for Fade Away. A simple switch with no dramatic change in style. Apart from spunking away a few A list B-sides, overall I think Noel did a pretty good job. Thumbs up from me. Couldn't agree more
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 12:33:39 GMT -5
Although a small handful of better tracks existed, I think crowbarring them in would ruin the flow and the attitude of the album, makinging it altogether something different. To summarize: - D'Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman & Half The World Away are two of the bands finest tracks, but their inclusion would break the repeated stack of Liam sung electric guitar rock for an altogether different sound, something which may add to the album in some ways but also take others away. Married With Children works because it doesn't break up the flow due to it's positioning and it can pull off being a closer, something D'YWBAS & HTWA can't do. I'd have saved em for Round 2. - Whatever just doesn't fit at all. Another one to keep back. - I don't think Listen Up was ever truly in contention for Definitely Maybe and was a b-side creation post Sawmill Studios so it's not really fair giving Noel a hard time on that one. - Cloudburst, I Will Believe, Take Me Away, Alive, It's Good To Be Free and Sad Song aren't good enough but make solid b-sides with the latter being the pick of the bunch. - I'd also likely not include other tracks available during this period including either including Hello, She's Electric, All Around The World amongst others. Headshrinker however... - I'd exchange Digsy's Dinner for Fade Away (A simple switch with no dramatic change in style) and end on Slide Away. Apart from spunking away a few A list B-sides, overall I think Noel did a pretty good job. Thumbs up from me. 1) Rock 'N' Roll Star2) Shakermaker3) Live Forever4) Up In The Sky5) Columbia6) Supersonic7) Headshrinker8) Bring It On Down9) Cigarettes & Alcohol10) Fade Away11) Slide AwayTo be fair, it's not much better, just a little more rocking than the original, so I wouldn't fight tooth and nail for it. Married With Children & Digsy's Dinner both have their benefits and make the album a little less 2d than the aforementioned, so although I think Fade Away & Headshrinker are better songs I'm not gonna say they make a better album, more a personal preference thing. I can happily take the original all day long. I think Half the World Away fits in nicely between Live Forever and Columbia, it's a nice come-down after the rush of Live Forever and the wailing guitars at the start of Columbia bring the rock back in nicely. Also I think Whatever works well as a closer after Married With Children, just a great way to finish that doesn't contrast badly with all the rock after the acoustics of Married With Children. Fade Away and Headshrinker might have a place but I don't think they're good enough compared to the rest. Listen Up is interesting, so was it possible for it to be on the album?
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Post by World71R on Sept 3, 2015 13:18:05 GMT -5
For awhile, I always thought that Fade Away or It's Good to Be Free should've been track two instead of Shakermaker, Columbia should be after Rock 'N' Roll Star, not Shakermaker, Married with Children shouldn't have been the closer, yadda yadda, but I've changed my mind on that. Now, I see it as one of the greatest debut albums of all-time, and as it is, it's quite special, so henceforth, I would not change a single thing on it. It's just brilliant the way it is.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Sept 3, 2015 13:26:53 GMT -5
Although a small handful of better tracks existed, I think crowbarring them in would ruin the flow and the attitude of the album, makinging it altogether something different. To summarize: - D'Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman & Half The World Away are two of the bands finest tracks, but their inclusion would break the repeated stack of Liam sung electric guitar rock for an altogether different sound, something which may add to the album in some ways but also take others away. Married With Children works because it doesn't break up the flow due to it's positioning and it can pull off being a closer, something D'YWBAS & HTWA can't do. I'd have saved em for Round 2. - Whatever just doesn't fit at all. Another one to keep back. - I don't think Listen Up was ever truly in contention for Definitely Maybe and was a b-side creation post Sawmill Studios so it's not really fair giving Noel a hard time on that one. - Cloudburst, I Will Believe, Take Me Away, Alive, It's Good To Be Free and Sad Song aren't good enough but make solid b-sides with the latter being the pick of the bunch. - I'd also likely not include other tracks available during this period including either including Hello, She's Electric, All Around The World amongst others. Headshrinker however... - I'd exchange Digsy's Dinner for Fade Away (A simple switch with no dramatic change in style) and end on Slide Away. Apart from spunking away a few A list B-sides, overall I think Noel did a pretty good job. Thumbs up from me. 1) Rock 'N' Roll Star2) Shakermaker3) Live Forever4) Up In The Sky5) Columbia6) Supersonic7) Headshrinker8) Bring It On Down9) Cigarettes & Alcohol10) Fade Away11) Slide AwayTo be fair, it's not much better, just a little more rocking than the original, so I wouldn't fight tooth and nail for it. Married With Children & Digsy's Dinner both have their benefits and make the album a little less 2d than the aforementioned, so although I think Fade Away & Headshrinker are better songs I'm not gonna say they make a better album, more a personal preference thing. I can happily take the original all day long. I think Half the World Away fits in nicely between Live Forever and Columbia, it's a nice come-down after the rush of Live Forever and the wailing guitars at the start of Columbia bring the rock back in nicely. Also I think Whatever works well as a closer after Married With Children, just a great way to finish that doesn't contrast badly with all the rock after the acoustics of Married With Children. Fade Away and Headshrinker might have a place but I don't think they're good enough compared to the rest. Listen Up is interesting, so was it possible for it to be on the album? Sorta like Dig Out Your Soul I think this album works best with a loosely definitive sound. I'm not knocking Half The World Away, D'Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman (both amongst my top 10) or Whatever, all of which are better than the worst 3 songs on the album, but I think there is an art to crafting albums and in some cases a wide variety doesn't always do it justice. Think more in the vain of Never Mind The Bollocks for example. Definitely Maybe doesn't need a comedown and that (theoretical) lack of a come down wouldn't necessarily be a negative, but a thrill seeking positive.I actually rate Half The World Away and D'Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman over Headshrinker & Fade Away too, but not by any huge amount, as I ranked them 4th, 9th, 10th and 14th respectively here. So when it's that close the sound of the song has a greater impact on whether they make the album or not for me. Unless Noel put his foot down and somehow tackled Definitely Maybe from reaching the starting gate, something which may have been impossible in the eyes of the label, these quotes would suggest Listen Up was written (or at least finished) after Definitely Maybe was done and dusted in early 94. Whatever, Fade Away, Listen Up (& a demo of Some Might Say) were all recorded in June/July 1994 in Maison Rouge studios a few months after Definitely Maybe was finished being recorded but a few months before it officially came out. Now clearly Fade Away or Whatever weren't recorded in time either, however they were definitely written by then, having been demoed with The Real People and featuring heavily amongst Noel's potential tracklistings in his 1993 Notebook. Listen Up also shows its head in the book but it's likely to be the alternative song titled Listen Up seeing as it never made a single tracklist. It's also worth noting that it's first live outing was in August 94, after it was recorded suggesting what Noel was saying is indeed true. I think Noel gets a hard time sometimes with his early tracklist choices as several of them probably didn't even exist to be chosen on the subsequent albums they're now tied too. For example I'm pretty sure The Masterplan was written (or at least finished) after (WTS)MG? yet many still cry over it not being on it. Sure, Noel should have saved them for subsequent releases and deliberately released poorer material he had banked away, but people are often to quick to assume what the tracklist choices were for the band had at the respective time.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Sept 3, 2015 15:27:29 GMT -5
Even though I think Digsy's Dinner is poor, and I'm no fan of Columbia, I would just leave it as it is. Sure, going from Live Forever into Half The World Away would be something to behold, but then if you have HTWA on, what would be the point of having Married With Children as well? That tune's only on there as a token little acoustic ditty to juxtapose the 45 minutes of thrashing indie rock that had gone before it. Somehow, I don't think Definitely Maybe would be the same without it.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 3, 2015 15:31:09 GMT -5
Bollocks. You don't change perfection.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 15:30:49 GMT -5
I'd maybe swap Digsy's Dinner for Fade Away. Maybe. But then again, why change anything on one of the greatest albums of all time?
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Post by World71R on Sept 3, 2015 16:27:24 GMT -5
Even though I think Digsy's Dinner is poor, and I'm no fan of Columbia, I would just leave it as it is. Sure, going from Live Forever into Half The World Away would be something to behold, but then if you have HTWA on, what would be the point of having Married With Children as well? That tune's only on there as a token little acoustic ditty to juxtapose the 45 minutes of thrashing indie rock that had gone before it. Somehow, I don't think Definitely Maybe would be the same without it. I agree. Where Married With Children shares some of the brashness that the rest of the album has (Ex: The lyrics, "There's no need for you to say you're sorry...goodbye, I'm going home/I don't care no more so don't you worry...goodbye, I'm going home"), Half the World Away has a bit of vulnerability to it ("Here I go, I'm still scratching around in the same ol' hole, my body feels young, but my mind, is very old"; plus Noel's delivery of it). That really does separate the two songs, and I like the way the two songs were placed in the history of Oasis, because HTWA is a popular song in its own right, while MWC is in its own right too.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 3, 2015 17:23:29 GMT -5
Does anyone know of any official alternative track listing of DM that was ever considered by Noel? I know that there might've been one in the notebook and that Noel once said that Slide Away replaced Fade Away, but I don't know anything else.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 3, 2015 20:04:08 GMT -5
Bag It Up The Turning Waiting For The Rapt...oh wait Seriously though,I think the album is fine as it is I see Whatever as kind of a bridge from DM to WTSMG,so there'd be no point in having it on DM...maybe D'Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman should have been on the album instead of Married With Children,then the obvious choice would be to swap Up In The Sky and Shakermaker for Fade Away and Listen Up,but they make for the perfect single with Cigarettes & Alcohol... Neil Innes pension fund would have liked that song on Definitely Maybe...
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 4, 2015 6:25:06 GMT -5
I wouldn't swap Digsy's Dinner, anybody who writes a song about lasagna and puts it on his debut album, which will later become one of the most successful debuts ever, deserves to be praised That song is a statement in its own way, it just shows how they really didn't give a fuck
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Sept 4, 2015 6:37:06 GMT -5
Does anyone know of any official alternative track listing of DM that was ever considered by Noel? I know that there might've been one in the notebook and that Noel once said that Slide Away replaced Fade Away, but I don't know anything else. There's a whole bunch in his notebook containing a fairly wide variety of songs. Cloudburst, Take Me Away, Whatever, Fade Away and D'Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman? all made the A-List at various stages in 93 before Shakermaker, Supersonic, Cigarettes & Alcohol and Slide Away were written. www.mrmonobrow.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/unheard/notebook.html
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Sept 4, 2015 6:40:25 GMT -5
Bollocks. You don't change perfection. Its not perfection, it has Shakermaker on it.
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