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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 23, 2015 15:18:57 GMT -5
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b063h4lmLauren Laverne hosts an all-star discussion from London's iconic 100 Club, asking if rock 'n' roll is in crisis and what it now means in the 21st century. Can rock 'n' roll still be as dangerous and subversive as the original or has it become more about lifestyle and decoration? Joining Lauren are Savages' lead singer Jehnny Beth, Dr John Cooper Clarke and former Animal Eric Burdon. Featuring original contributions from Noel Gallagher, Dave Grohl, Sleaford Mods and Alabama Shakes. Music from Mercury-winning Young Fathers and Matthew E White.
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Post by carryusall on Jul 23, 2015 15:37:11 GMT -5
Does it say a lot that young Fathers are doing the music?
I mean I like them, but...
If a rock n roll band was sound tracking a documentary about the perceived decline of rap music, it might reinforce people's beliefs that rap music was indeed in such a state of decline
Cheers though, looks great, will check it out
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 24, 2015 16:37:48 GMT -5
I am watching this and I obviously know who Eric Burdon is but who are those other two? That man looks funny and I've never heard of Savages so had no idea about "Jehnny Beth" either.
Noel talked a bit about working class and that usual stuff, a bit about Oasis. Nothing interesting really.
This whole thing is a bit predictable. "Yeah rock n roll is dying, blablabla it's all been done before blablabla leather jackets are cewl blabla blues and r&b blabla" Always a pleasure to see Dave Grohl though.
Apparently Sleaford Mods will be in this too so that will be my first introduction to them.
Edit: Oh there they are. Hmm that bit they showed sounded pretty good to me. I imagined guys who are a bit more chav like actually.
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Post by zatine87 on Jul 24, 2015 16:50:18 GMT -5
John Cooper Clarke has been the best so far on this programme. The girl from Savages clearly didn't get what Noel was saying.
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Post by carlosfazano on Jul 24, 2015 20:44:51 GMT -5
When I tried to watch it, the bbc site reads "BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only."
If someone in england could capture it and upload it, it would be great.
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Post by madernie on Jul 26, 2015 3:16:48 GMT -5
Having watched the programme, it confirms to me that the BBC will not give any credit to some of the great heavy rock bands that are still touring and selling out there tours bands like AC/DC and Black Sabbath. Also there coming through some great young bands. Watching AC/DC at Wembley a couple of weeks ago they worked there bollocks of for two hours even though although financially the do not need it. Rock n Roll does not have a age limit it should be about having a great time and try and forget about all the crap that goes on in the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 12:35:09 GMT -5
Rock and roll is NOT DEAD!!!!! Noel, Bad Religion, Foo Fighters, The Rolling Stones and many others have done tours that sold out in 2015! My BF saw the Sonics, who are back after a 50 year hiatus! Rock music goes in and out of fashion but it's far from dead.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 28, 2015 3:04:54 GMT -5
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Post by dennizz on Jul 28, 2015 8:21:27 GMT -5
i'm pretty sure Noel meant there are no new bands that capture the imagination like The Smith, THe Stone Roses, Oasis or The Libertines did. With them band it wasn't just about the music but about everything surrounding the band. The got me into music from the 60/70's and i doubt that catfish and the botlemen will ever turn me on to old 'new'music'
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Post by matt on Jul 30, 2015 9:36:58 GMT -5
Rock and roll is NOT DEAD!!!!! Noel, Bad Religion, Foo Fighters, The Rolling Stones and many others have done tours that sold out in 2015! My BF saw the Sonics, who are back after a 50 year hiatus! Rock music goes in and out of fashion but it's far from dead. Sadly, I'm not sure about this christal, it's quite telling that these massive sell out tours are from acts, who at the youngest, are all in their mid 40s. Even the likes of Coldplay are nearly hitting 40. Worrying thing is what happens when these acts all disappear eventually - there's literally nothing there for future generations. This must be the first time in popular music history that there is no viable young band coming up through the ranks. Worrying times ahead.
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Post by Wolf on Aug 3, 2015 12:37:30 GMT -5
Rock and roll is NOT DEAD!!!!! Noel, Bad Religion, Foo Fighters, The Rolling Stones and many others have done tours that sold out in 2015! My BF saw the Sonics, who are back after a 50 year hiatus! Rock music goes in and out of fashion but it's far from dead. Sadly, I'm not sure about this christal, it's quite telling that these massive sell out tours are from acts, who at the youngest, are all in their mid 40s. Even the likes of Coldplay are nearly hitting 40. Worrying thing is what happens when these acts all disappear eventually - there's literally nothing there for future generations. This must be the first time in popular music history that there is no viable young band coming up through the ranks. Worrying times ahead. - Tame Impala - Pond - The Black Keys - The Black Angels - White Denim - Tess Parks - Temples - Mac DeMarco - Black Submarine - Melody's Echo Chamber Off the top of my head here are some great current artists / bands that I consider fantastic. There are artists lurking around, you just have to look for them. I'm sick of this "rock and roll is dead"cliché shit. Leave that to someone like Gene Simmons the old git. Noel needs to stop with this "all bands need to do is write one great chorus" shtick. There ARE great bands around, they might not be big, but why do they need to be?
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Post by matt on Aug 3, 2015 12:59:09 GMT -5
Sadly, I'm not sure about this christal, it's quite telling that these massive sell out tours are from acts, who at the youngest, are all in their mid 40s. Even the likes of Coldplay are nearly hitting 40. Worrying thing is what happens when these acts all disappear eventually - there's literally nothing there for future generations. This must be the first time in popular music history that there is no viable young band coming up through the ranks. Worrying times ahead. - Tame Impala - Pond - The Black Keys - The Black Angels - White Denim - Tess Parks - Temples - Mac DeMarco - Black Submarine - Melody's Echo Chamber Off the top of my head here are some great current artists / bands that I consider fantastic. There are artists lurking around, you just have to look for them. I'm sick of this "rock and roll is dead"cliché shit. Leave that to someone like Gene Simmons the old git. Noel needs to stop with this "all bands need to do is write one great chorus" shtick. There ARE great bands around, they might not be big, but why do they need to be? I don't deny there are many great bands out there, but in terms of HUUUUUGE bands that will set a cultural movement going, I don't see that ever happening. As long as I've got great music to listen to, thats fine, but on a wider perspective, I think it is to the detriment of society and culture that not many bands are making an impact these days - the stuff that dominates todays culture and play massive stadiums (like all the great acts before) are manufactured pop music in a manufactured era for manufactured lives. I think all this pop music today is a sign of a dumbed down society whereby people are brainwashed into believing it is good from the increasingly narcissistic and materialistic needs of people. Again - I reiterate, people like Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Rihanna, One Direction would get nowhere if it weren't for their good looks. People are in love with them because they are attractive, rich and famous, not because they are talented - but when you have a society that equates - or blurs the distinctions - of attractiveness, wealth and fame to talent, then you know there's some serious problems in this world. It's the vanity and material wealth of these people that is attractive, not immaterial god-given natural talent - which is what music should be. I look at the charts and I genuinely think 'how the fuck do people listen to this?', and my opinion is people are deluded into thinking this is good because of the overly materialist emphasis on these 'musicians'. It sounds incredibly arrogant I know (and, admittedly, I wouldn't be so forthright if this wasn't a forum where we all share similar music tastes), but I do believe the love of todays pop music is a major indictment against the problems of an obsessively materialist society that is spinning out of control. Perhaps one day, everyone will wake up and clearly see through such distorted and manipulated world views and suddenly have a moment of enlightenment to themselves and think 'hang on a minute, what the fuck am I actually doing listening to this shite?'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 12:59:39 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm not really into the fawning reverence of rock 'n' roll - whatever that even means sixty years on. If rock does "die" (again, somewhat meaningless), which is extremely unlikely, then so be it. Music should progress and change and young people, whatever class they come from, should use whatever medium makes sense to them to express themselves. Personally, I'd much rather see a new and different type of music emerge from youth culture than another wave of rock bands recycling the archetypes set down by The Rolling Stones, Oasis etc...I'm not saying I want rock to die, it would be great to hear more substantial music of any kind back in the charts, but that it's not healthy for music to be constantly trying to revive and keep an eye on its past cultures/glories.
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Post by matt on Aug 3, 2015 13:03:48 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm not really into the fawning reverence of rock 'n' roll - whatever that even means sixty years on. If rock does "die" (again, somewhat meaningless), which is extremely unlikely, then so be it. Music should progress and change and young people, whatever class they come from, should use whatever medium makes sense to them to express themselves. Personally, I'd much rather see a new and different type of music emerge from youth culture than another wave of rock bands recycling the archetypes set down by The Rolling Stones, Oasis etc...I'm not saying I want rock to die, it would be great to hear more substantial music of any kind back in the charts, but that it's not healthy for music to be constantly trying to revive and keep an eye on its past cultures/glories. Again, I agree with all of this. I've said it numerous times but today's young 'rock n roll' acts is not about the talent - mainly preoccupied with a nostalgia for old 'cool' dudes and their image. The kind of shite served up in the NME is all you need to know what I'm talking about when it comes to 'cool dudes' who can't even string two chords together.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 13:17:56 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm not really into the fawning reverence of rock 'n' roll - whatever that even means sixty years on. If rock does "die" (again, somewhat meaningless), which is extremely unlikely, then so be it. Music should progress and change and young people, whatever class they come from, should use whatever medium makes sense to them to express themselves. Personally, I'd much rather see a new and different type of music emerge from youth culture than another wave of rock bands recycling the archetypes set down by The Rolling Stones, Oasis etc...I'm not saying I want rock to die, it would be great to hear more substantial music of any kind back in the charts, but that it's not healthy for music to be constantly trying to revive and keep an eye on its past cultures/glories. Again, I agree with all of this. I've said it numerous times but today's young 'rock n roll' acts is not about the talent - mainly preoccupied with a nostalgia for old 'cool' dudes and their image. The kind of shite served up in the NME is all you need to know what I'm talking about when it comes to 'cool dudes' who can't even string two chords together. I agree, much of the general attitude towards modern music seems to reek of a nostalgia that's really unhealthy and counterproductive. Attention or hope seems to rest solely on the efforts of working class rock bands to provide culture, when for the most part that's not how any part of youth or modern society wants to express itself. So while people are pining for the return of the good ol' days, they are missing the chance to see a real revival of youthful art being brought to the mainstream by ignoring the efforts of other genres of music.
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Post by matt on Aug 3, 2015 13:26:04 GMT -5
Again, I agree with all of this. I've said it numerous times but today's young 'rock n roll' acts is not about the talent - mainly preoccupied with a nostalgia for old 'cool' dudes and their image. The kind of shite served up in the NME is all you need to know what I'm talking about when it comes to 'cool dudes' who can't even string two chords together. I agree, much of the general attitude towards modern music seems to reek of a nostalgia that's really unhealthy and counterproductive. Attention or hope seems to rest solely on the efforts of working class rock bands to provide culture, when for the most part that's not how any part of youth or modern society wants to express itself. So while people are pining for the return of the good ol' days, they are missing the chance to see a real revival of youthful art being brought to the mainstream by ignoring the efforts of other genres of music. Yes, problem with that documentary is that you have the likes of Noel taking it from their own perspective - what they don't realise is society has changed dramatically. If there is any next 'big thing' to come from music, it won't be anything like we've heard before. Forgetting all that manufactured shite, real great music goes through constant states of renewal - problem with a lot of young budding songwriters is they latch themselves onto something they know and are familiar with, but which isn't honest at all. That's never going to produce great music.
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Post by Wolf on Aug 3, 2015 14:52:52 GMT -5
- Tame Impala - Pond - The Black Keys - The Black Angels - White Denim - Tess Parks - Temples - Mac DeMarco - Black Submarine - Melody's Echo Chamber Off the top of my head here are some great current artists / bands that I consider fantastic. There are artists lurking around, you just have to look for them. I'm sick of this "rock and roll is dead"cliché shit. Leave that to someone like Gene Simmons the old git. Noel needs to stop with this "all bands need to do is write one great chorus" shtick. There ARE great bands around, they might not be big, but why do they need to be? I don't deny there are many great bands out there, but in terms of HUUUUUGE bands that will set a cultural movement going, I don't see that ever happening. As long as I've got great music to listen to, thats fine, but on a wider perspective, I think it is to the detriment of society and culture that not many bands are making an impact these days - the stuff that dominates todays culture and play massive stadiums (like all the great acts before) are manufactured pop music in a manufactured era for manufactured lives. I think all this pop music today is a sign of a dumbed down society whereby people are brainwashed into believing it is good from the increasingly narcissistic and materialistic needs of people. Again - I reiterate, people like Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Rihanna, One Direction would get nowhere if it weren't for their good looks. People are in love with them because they are attractive, rich and famous, not because they are talented - but when you have a society that equates - or blurs the distinctions - of attractiveness, wealth and fame to talent, then you know there's some serious problems in this world. It's the vanity and material wealth of these people that is attractive, not immaterial god-given natural talent - which is what music should be. I look at the charts and I genuinely think 'how the fuck do people listen to this?', and my opinion is people are deluded into thinking this is good because of the overly materialist emphasis on these 'musicians'. It sounds incredibly arrogant I know (and, admittedly, I wouldn't be so forthright if this wasn't a forum where we all share similar music tastes), but I do believe the love of todays pop music is a major indictment against the problems of an obsessively materialist society that is spinning out of control. Perhaps one day, everyone will wake up and clearly see through such distorted and manipulated world views and suddenly have a moment of enlightenment to themselves and think 'hang on a minute, what the fuck am I actually doing listening to this shite?' Yes but there have been artists like Taylor Swift etc. for decades. Its just now with the constant stream of conciousness media we have, everything anyone ever does is reported and commented on. Consequently fame and wealth have now become almost synonymous with pop music, and yes its depressing, but its also a sign of the times. We might think the likes of Beyonce and Rihanna are awful, but when all is said and done everything is subjective. This is why the blanket statements Noel keeps blurting out are becoming a bit Spinal Tap. There are great bands, and they are writing great songs. It's just they have not - or rather don't want to - venture down the path of fame hungry, morally shallow parasite that dominate the music industry at present. This is why the internet has become a blessing in disguise of sorts, it gives up and coming bands the chance to have a crack at making something of themselves without having to go through the motions of impressing a record company. Right now it may seem dire, but at some point people are going to switch back on, and realise that there is music beyond what they hear in KFC and on the Television. Only then will there be a new cultural phenomenon, but everything goes in cycles. Now we are at a time when people are switching over to digital culture, the only problem is the corporations got there first which is why One Direction and Beyonce are being shoved down our throats on a consistent basis. But when people get the hang of the tools the digital age has to offer, we will have a better crop of bands in the charts again. This is what Noel doesn't see.
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Post by oasisglory on Aug 3, 2015 17:19:48 GMT -5
Some most excellent points made here. On the point about the next huge cultural act, it's hard not to agree with matt's summary above, where the massive acts of today are symbolised by not just their music, but their looks, their constant portrayal on social media etc. Add to that, the observation that Noel often makes that Oasis were the last heroes of music: a band that had the music and (for want of a better word) bravado to take a grip of the music scene and make it their own, if only for a brief period. Nowadays, you see the likes of Ed Sheeran play 3 gigs at Wembley or bands playing to similar size crowds at Knebworth, and yet 20 years, you say Knebworth and Oasis' gigs are the first things you think of. Obviously time can only tell if today's bands would be talked about in 20 years time, but the way most artists seem to be flavour of the month one day, then unheard of again the next, it's difficult to see this happen, specially as long as the pap from TV talent shows continuously churns out its uninspired dirge. There's something intrinsically depressing about No Direction's popularity and the fact that the most watched video on YouTube is Baby
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 3, 2015 22:20:24 GMT -5
When they said rock is dead you guys are totally missing the point.
Rock in a music form isn't dead, but nowadays rock doesn't have the same cultural impact as it used to has.
Where are the new charismatic singers like Mick Jagger used to be?
Where are the new bands with singers as powerfull stage presence form as Fred Mercury?
Where are the new political bands?
Where are the new popular big bands?
Where are the new ambitious bands as U2?
I think that since 10 years ago we don't have those kind of bands, bands which could change the world.
Before rock would search you even if you didn't wanted, nowadays is the opposite, you have to search for the rock, you have to go on google and search for the new bands, put a headphone and listening them on your own, confined, rock became this...
Bands used to do albums with singles and songs to play on the radio or to catch your attention, but nowadays bands doesn't need to do this, they know that internet will do the job, so you ended up having bands with great songs but not as memorable as something like Sweet Child of Mine, Losing My Religion or Bohemian Rhapsody.
No no no, youtube isn't like the radio, on radio a song is thrown randomly at you and you had the choice to heard it or not, I discovered some great songs in this way, but on youtube you will only hear what you wanted to hear.
Nowadays the rock scene are sedated as hell with bands like Vampire Weekend and Black Keys, which are good bands, but they won't change your life the way Nirvana, Rolling Stones, U2, Radiohead, Oasis, Led Zeppelin used to do before with millions.
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