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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 3:58:45 GMT -5
Still waiting for that day in paradise, when i'll wake up and see the news that Dave Grohl and Noel Gallagher produce an album together. You get Dave Grohl recording and producing the drums on a Noel Gallagher track, the fucking world might explode with awesome. now that would be amazing. i am surprised they haven't collaborated on something yet. they are mates after all.
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Post by davidjay on May 5, 2013 5:31:23 GMT -5
I really liked Sardy's work on HFBs but personally felt that his mixes got over-compressed in mastering (granted, this is probably exactly what they were going for and the same criticism could fairly be leveled at many modern CDs). To me, songs like Record Machine, If I Had a Gun and Stop the Clocks would sound even better with more dynamics intact. So, whoever produces it, I hope that the second album doesn't get flattened so much in mastering. There are good recent precedents for this - like the recent My Bloody Valentine album, which is at a decent level without losing the dynamics. Not sure who mixed & mastered the International Magic NG bluray but that sounded excellent too. Just my audio geek's 2p worth.
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Post by warewolf95 on May 5, 2013 12:32:50 GMT -5
I much prefer Driving Rain and Memory Almost Full tbh I'm a massive solo Macca fan and I enjoy each album for it's own reasons, but quality wise, Chaos/Creation just blows everything else out of the water that he's done since Tug Of War - aside from Flaming Pie and Flowers In The Dirt I mean, seriously, Godrich pushed Macca and it really shows in the best of ways The production is superb yet subtle, and the songs are really aided by it IMO Like I said, I really do love each album for different reasons, but CACITB is one of the only albums by ANYONE that I can listen to literally whenever Plus, Im a sucker for some melancholy so the album definitely appeals to me in that area. How Kind Of You, Follow Me, Anyway, Friends To Go, Jenny Wren, even fucking English Tea Fantastic album
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Post by spaneli on May 5, 2013 12:36:46 GMT -5
I really liked Sardy's work on HFBs but personally felt that his mixes got over-compressed in mastering (granted, this is probably exactly what they were going for and the same criticism could fairly be leveled at many modern CDs). To me, songs like Record Machine, If I Had a Gun and Stop the Clocks would sound even better with more dynamics intact. So, whoever produces it, I hope that the second album doesn't get flattened so much in mastering. There are good recent precedents for this - like the recent My Bloody Valentine album, which is at a decent level without losing the dynamics. Not sure who mixed & mastered the International Magic NG bluray but that sounded excellent too. Just my audio geek's 2p worth. This. There's really nothing wrong with Sardy's production. It's mainly his mixes in general and then the compression of those mixes. More dynamics, better mixing, and less compression. Sardy is good as a producer. But that should be his only job. He shouldn't be mixing.
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Post by GIMH on May 5, 2013 12:50:32 GMT -5
I much prefer Driving Rain and Memory Almost Full tbh I'm a massive solo Macca fan and I enjoy each album for it's own reasons, but quality wise, Chaos/Creation just blows everything else out of the water that he's done since Tug Of War - aside from Flaming Pie and Flowers In The Dirt I mean, seriously, Godrich pushed Macca and it really shows in the best of ways The production is superb yet subtle, and the songs are really aided by it IMO Like I said, I really do love each album for different reasons, but CACITB is one of the only albums by ANYONE that I can listen to literally whenever Plus, Im a sucker for some melancholy so the album definitely appeals to me in that area. How Kind Of You, Follow Me, Anyway, Friends To Go, Jenny Wren, even fucking English Tea Fantastic album Yeah I dig all of those songs. It's a very good album I just prefer the others. Tbh he's been on great form the past couple of decades, covers albums aside.
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Post by warewolf95 on May 5, 2013 15:46:50 GMT -5
I'm a massive solo Macca fan and I enjoy each album for it's own reasons, but quality wise, Chaos/Creation just blows everything else out of the water that he's done since Tug Of War - aside from Flaming Pie and Flowers In The Dirt I mean, seriously, Godrich pushed Macca and it really shows in the best of ways The production is superb yet subtle, and the songs are really aided by it IMO Like I said, I really do love each album for different reasons, but CACITB is one of the only albums by ANYONE that I can listen to literally whenever Plus, Im a sucker for some melancholy so the album definitely appeals to me in that area. How Kind Of You, Follow Me, Anyway, Friends To Go, Jenny Wren, even fucking English Tea Fantastic album Yeah I dig all of those songs. It's a very good album I just prefer the others. Tbh he's been on great form the past couple of decades, covers albums aside. Agreed. I really really like MAF (for nostalgic reasons, especially) but I prefer the more organic production on Chaos. As far as covers go, I really love Run Devil Run. I didnt think I would but it's one of my favorite Macca albums.
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Post by davidjay on May 5, 2013 16:32:34 GMT -5
I really liked Sardy's work on HFBs but personally felt that his mixes got over-compressed in mastering (granted, this is probably exactly what they were going for and the same criticism could fairly be leveled at many modern CDs). To me, songs like Record Machine, If I Had a Gun and Stop the Clocks would sound even better with more dynamics intact. So, whoever produces it, I hope that the second album doesn't get flattened so much in mastering. There are good recent precedents for this - like the recent My Bloody Valentine album, which is at a decent level without losing the dynamics. Not sure who mixed & mastered the International Magic NG bluray but that sounded excellent too. Just my audio geek's 2p worth. This. There's really nothing wrong with Sardy's production. It's mainly his mixes in general and then the compression of those mixes. More dynamics, better mixing, and less compression. Indeed. On that note, it's good to hear the un-mastered Dig Out Your Soul instrumentals, which have the full dynamics intact. Sounds great to me, and the drums, in particular, have a lot more punch than on the retail CD. The bonus track I Believe in All is one of the most impressive in that respect. So I guess it shows the potential for a more dynamic presentation of Sardy's productions in the future. I believe there is growing awareness of the trade-offs involved when over-compressing but that, understandably, many artists don't want to test the water by having their CD mastered less "loud" & compressed than the majority... even if the actual sound quality would be much better when turned up by the listener. There are notable exceptions though, like Jack White's Blunderbuss and Elbow's Build a Rocket Boys! Drifting further O/T here, but Mike Marsh had a lot to say on this controversial topic when I interviewed him last year (about halfway through this page). www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=156
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Post by xo0oo0ox on May 5, 2013 18:15:09 GMT -5
I really liked Sardy's work on HFBs but personally felt that his mixes got over-compressed in mastering (granted, this is probably exactly what they were going for and the same criticism could fairly be leveled at many modern CDs). To me, songs like Record Machine, If I Had a Gun and Stop the Clocks would sound even better with more dynamics intact. So, whoever produces it, I hope that the second album doesn't get flattened so much in mastering. There are good recent precedents for this - like the recent My Bloody Valentine album, which is at a decent level without losing the dynamics. Not sure who mixed & mastered the International Magic NG bluray but that sounded excellent too. Just my audio geek's 2p worth. This. There's really nothing wrong with Sardy's production. It's mainly his mixes in general and then the compression of those mixes. More dynamics, better mixing, and less compression. Sardy is good as a producer. But that should be his only job. He shouldn't be mixing. I've got to disagree with this. Sardy's questionable decisions are not limited to mixing if 13:30 in this video is anything to go by... Also, Sardy's production would still sound harsh and brittle even if the dynamics were preserved. I seriously doubt anyone could re-mix (not remix) DBTT and end up with a pleasant-sounding album. DOYS is a bit better than DBTT and NGHFB in this regard, but Sardy's issues extend into the recording and arranging IMO.
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Post by GIMH on May 5, 2013 18:35:55 GMT -5
Yeah I dig all of those songs. It's a very good album I just prefer the others. Tbh he's been on great form the past couple of decades, covers albums aside. Agreed. I really really like MAF (for nostalgic reasons, especially) but I prefer the more organic production on Chaos. As far as covers go, I really love Run Devil Run. I didnt think I would but it's one of my favorite Macca albums. Yeah Run Devil Run is good on parts. Don't love it all though. Kisses on the Bottom I was disappointed with though. I love the Macca originals on it but the rest, not really my thing I guess.
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Post by warewolf95 on May 5, 2013 18:56:08 GMT -5
Agreed. I really really like MAF (for nostalgic reasons, especially) but I prefer the more organic production on Chaos. As far as covers go, I really love Run Devil Run. I didnt think I would but it's one of my favorite Macca albums. Yeah Run Devil Run is good on parts. Don't love it all though. Kisses on the Bottom I was disappointed with though. I love the Macca originals on it but the rest, not really my thing I guess. I dont care for the fact that, aside from a few tracks (as with RDR), Kisses is a covers album That being said, I personally enjoy it for the relaxed mood, the lounge atmosphere etc. because I love my chill music My Valentine is a great, though imo
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Post by GlastoEls on May 5, 2013 19:37:46 GMT -5
I much prefer Driving Rain and Memory Almost Full tbh I'm a massive solo Macca fan and I enjoy each album for it's own reasons, but quality wise, Chaos/Creation just blows everything else out of the water that he's done since Tug Of War - aside from Flaming Pie and Flowers In The Dirt I mean, seriously, Godrich pushed Macca and it really shows in the best of ways The production is superb yet subtle, and the songs are really aided by it IMO Like I said, I really do love each album for different reasons, but CACITB is one of the only albums by ANYONE that I can listen to literally whenever Plus, Im a sucker for some melancholy so the album definitely appeals to me in that area. How Kind Of You, Follow Me, Anyway, Friends To Go, Jenny Wren, even fucking English Tea Fantastic album Great post. Chaos & Creation is a great album, really listenable, and I remember Macca interviews at the time where he was saying how Godrich would occasionally upset him with brutal honesty. Whatever he did - it really worked!
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Post by warewolf95 on May 5, 2013 20:29:53 GMT -5
I'm a massive solo Macca fan and I enjoy each album for it's own reasons, but quality wise, Chaos/Creation just blows everything else out of the water that he's done since Tug Of War - aside from Flaming Pie and Flowers In The Dirt I mean, seriously, Godrich pushed Macca and it really shows in the best of ways The production is superb yet subtle, and the songs are really aided by it IMO Like I said, I really do love each album for different reasons, but CACITB is one of the only albums by ANYONE that I can listen to literally whenever Plus, Im a sucker for some melancholy so the album definitely appeals to me in that area. How Kind Of You, Follow Me, Anyway, Friends To Go, Jenny Wren, even fucking English Tea Fantastic album Great post. Chaos & Creation is a great album, really listenable, and I remember Macca interviews at the time where he was saying how Godrich would occasionally upset him with brutal honesty. Whatever he did - it really worked! Indeed. Seriously, imagine if Noel did HFB with Godrich. I mean, just listen to Sea Change by Beck and you can imgaine how IIHAG could've sounded. Gives me shivers.... I have an aweseome 12 disc (yes, TWELVE-disc) set called "Chronicles In The Backyard" Its a collection of pretty much all the radio interviews and rips of tv interviews from the Chaos period. Its fantastic for the nut like me, lol. I listen to some of it as much as I listen to the actual album 1.bp.blogspot.com/_B3pd8gvEaCQ/R6rxCQhH6LI/AAAAAAAABYk/0Y-uD_xAGjI/s320/front.jpg
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Post by matt on May 5, 2013 21:27:43 GMT -5
I much prefer Driving Rain and Memory Almost Full tbh I'm a massive solo Macca fan and I enjoy each album for it's own reasons, but quality wise, Chaos/Creation just blows everything else out of the water that he's done since Tug Of War - aside from Flaming Pie and Flowers In The Dirt I mean, seriously, Godrich pushed Macca and it really shows in the best of ways The production is superb yet subtle, and the songs are really aided by it IMO Like I said, I really do love each album for different reasons, but CACITB is one of the only albums by ANYONE that I can listen to literally whenever Plus, Im a sucker for some melancholy so the album definitely appeals to me in that area. How Kind Of You, Follow Me, Anyway, Friends To Go, Jenny Wren, even fucking English Tea Fantastic album Regardless of whether folk want Noel to dabble in experimental or play it safe, Nigel Godrich is the man. If he hired him, I'm not so sure that Godrich would push him out his comfort zone. Sure enough, Godrich has helped Radiohead and Paul McCartney push them out their comfort zone to make incredible albums, but he also produced three Travis albums (The Man Who, The Invisible Band and The Boy With No Name). Now in terms of experimental, Travis, like Noel, are about as far from experimental as you can get. That's no criticism, as in another thread you'll see I absolutely love Travis, and the main point is the songs are there and are quality. But I've never seen any hint of pushing that band out their comfort zone for these albums. That said, despite not being experimental, the production is as shiny and lush as anything you'll ever hear - a complete opposite to what I regard as Sardy's dull and murky sounds. Godrich gives the Travis tunes the best treatment possible for acoustic pop tunes. Noel is similar to Travis in that he, essentially, writes conventional pop tunes. Godrich might not be able to push him out his comfort zone, but I feel almost certain that he would have given a tune like If I Had A Gun the perfect treatment that it deserved. Whatever way you look at it, Nigel Godrich would be a perfect producer for Noel.
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Post by warewolf95 on May 5, 2013 21:57:06 GMT -5
I'm a massive solo Macca fan and I enjoy each album for it's own reasons, but quality wise, Chaos/Creation just blows everything else out of the water that he's done since Tug Of War - aside from Flaming Pie and Flowers In The Dirt I mean, seriously, Godrich pushed Macca and it really shows in the best of ways The production is superb yet subtle, and the songs are really aided by it IMO Like I said, I really do love each album for different reasons, but CACITB is one of the only albums by ANYONE that I can listen to literally whenever Plus, Im a sucker for some melancholy so the album definitely appeals to me in that area. How Kind Of You, Follow Me, Anyway, Friends To Go, Jenny Wren, even fucking English Tea Fantastic album Regardless of whether folk want Noel to dabble in experimental or play it safe, Nigel Godrich is the man. If he hired him, I'm not so sure that Godrich would push him out his comfort zone. Sure enough, Godrich has helped Radiohead and Paul McCartney push them out their comfort zone to make incredible albums, but he also produced three Travis albums (The Man Who, The Invisible Band and The Boy With No Name). Now in terms of experimental, Travis, like Noel, are about as far from experimental as you can get. That's no criticism, as in another thread you'll see I absolutely love Travis, and the main point is the songs are there and are quality. But I've never seen any hint of pushing that band out their comfort zone for these albums. That said, despite not being experimental, the production is as shiny and lush as anything you'll ever hear - a complete opposite to what I regard as Sardy's dull and murky sounds. Godrich gives the Travis tunes the best treatment possible for acoustic pop tunes. Noel is similar to Travis in that he, essentially, writes conventional pop tunes. Godrich might not be able to push him out his comfort zone, but I feel almost certain that he would have given a tune like If I Had A Gun the perfect treatment that it deserved. Whatever way you look at it, Nigel Godrich would be a perfect producer for Noel. indeed. The thing I really like about Godrich is that he pushes the artist without trying to change them. He kinda takes the artist outside their comfort zone by simply reinforcing who and what the artist are and pulling the best out of them instead of letting them be complacent with the status quo of their current records. He's kinda a glorified coach. Plus he's an engineer as well which probably contributes to the great sound he's usually able to get. Nothin flashy or unexpected of the artist but more like a sheen of fairy dust on top....now im rambling. You get what im saying. Point is - NOEL, FOR FUCKS SAKE, GIVE NIGEL A RING Im surprised McCartney hasnt worked with him since Chaos. Macca's had nothing but great things to say about him/Chaos and I was slightly taken aback by the more "modern/compressed/pop" sound of Memory Almost Full. I enjoy that album as much as any other but it always disappoints me a bit if I hear it after listening to Chaos
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Post by tnh05 on May 6, 2013 9:04:47 GMT -5
All I know is I got more enjoyment out of HFB than any post 2000 oasis album.. If it matches that ill be happy
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Post by shoes222 on May 6, 2013 16:27:39 GMT -5
Haha Brilliant. Turns out one of the wind up merchants can get mad too. I didn't really have much of a problem with the production except from STC and RM and that might have had something to do with hearing them before. It maybe wasn't particularly inspiring but its didn't really damage the record for me. SOTWB sounded the best in my opinion. Thats on Noel for writing songs with the same exact beat with no drum fills. The original versions were even more tedious and tired. Again you guys are grasping at straws. I love how everyone here thinks they are an amateur audio engineer or producer. If this forum had any knowledge you would be praising Sardy's work on Dig Out Your Soul, which is the best sounding Oasis record by a mile. NGHFB is the best sounding Oasis record by a mile? You're way off there. SOTSOG had excellent production. Mark Stent is an incredible producer, and anyone with any musical knowledge would agree. And the Morris albums, while panned, fit the time period perfectly and were standard-bearers for their day. The big knock on Sardy is he sucks the life out of songs and makes them as dry and bland as possible.
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on May 6, 2013 16:47:58 GMT -5
Where did I say that?
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