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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 11:48:27 GMT -5
I have no particular bone to pick with him, I just find him really easy to dislike.
His songs were shite (for the most part), he and Noel didn't get on and all he seemed to do was stand about playing distinctly uninteresting bass lines, with that irritating grey stubble on his face.
This isn't an attack on Andy, I have just never liked him and think nobody would have noticed if he had done the right thing and just buggered off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 12:00:55 GMT -5
The writer of Beady Eye's best tune... When interviewed he is really awkward but he might just be shy which isn't really his fault. People are far too harsh on the man and you can't really say you hate him if you've never met him
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 1, 2013 12:00:55 GMT -5
I have no problems with Andy personally or with Oasis. What I see is a man who lost his confidence years ago. He found tremendous critical success with Ride's first album Nowhere which He wrote a bulk of the material. Andy Bell and Ride would struggle to follow up to that critical smash for the bands and Andy's career pre-Oasis. Each Ride album got progressively worse, band members quit and disbanded. Hurricane #1 found success with a minor hit single but they too fell apart and Andy was basically jobless until Noel rang him up to join Oasis..........as a bass player! Shot to the ego for a guitarist. He became a side member sadly, a step above session/touring member. He was basically Jay Mehler from Kasabian. I expected Andy to deliver a lot more material than he eventually contributed to Oasis. I love Turn Up The Sun. I like Thank You For The Good Times even though it is a direct Some Might Say/Let It Bleed rip off. Over 10 years in the band he should have contributed better quality songs. Was it from his shattered confidence years ago? Was it Noel saying "No" to his songs. Who knows but I do consider it a lost opportunity for Andy and Oasis.
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Post by Bruno on Mar 1, 2013 12:02:42 GMT -5
This isn't an attack on Andy Ha, could've fooled me.
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Post by webm@ster on Mar 1, 2013 12:24:42 GMT -5
This isn't an attack on Andy,..... . so what's the word hate doing in the title then?
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Post by Plantpot on Mar 1, 2013 12:36:17 GMT -5
Has the question ever been asked why did Noel select Andy Bell? Other than being an accomplished musician perhaps one of Noel's reasons was due to the fact that Andy did not exhibit a dominating personality (Oasis already had two too many).
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Post by Manualex on Mar 1, 2013 12:38:31 GMT -5
Has the question ever been asked why did Noel select Andy Bell? Other than being an accomplished musician perhaps one of Noel's reasons was due to the fact that Andy did not exhibit a dominating personality (Oasis already had two too many). IIRC He was sugested by Liam to Noel.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 12:38:55 GMT -5
This isn't an attack on Andy,..... . so what's the word hate doing in the title then? I'm trying to convey strength of feeling but explain that I feel no malice towards Andy. Abhor, detest, loathe could all be used too.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 1, 2013 12:50:42 GMT -5
Has the question ever been asked why did Noel select Andy Bell? Other than being an accomplished musician perhaps one of Noel's reasons was due to the fact that Andy did not exhibit a dominating personality (Oasis already had two too many). That is definitely a strong reason Noel asked him to join Oasis. Andy was coming off a couple failed bands and albums, was currently out of work and about to join "Gay Dad". Things weren't on the up and up for Wing Commander Bell that is for sure. Not as bad as Gem living at home with his mom though when Noel rang him up to join Oasis. I think Noel also liked the idea of all these past guys being on Creation Records at one point or another. It was almost like a Creation supergroup (although Heavy Stereo didn't do jack shit).
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Post by RocketMan on Mar 1, 2013 12:57:26 GMT -5
no problem, andy hates you too
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Post by Bruno on Mar 1, 2013 13:07:54 GMT -5
Has the question ever been asked why did Noel select Andy Bell? Other than being an accomplished musician perhaps one of Noel's reasons was due to the fact that Andy did not exhibit a dominating personality (Oasis already had two too many). That is definitely a strong reason Noel asked him to join Oasis. Andy was coming off a couple failed bands and albums, was currently out of work and about to join "Gay Dad". Things weren't on the up and up for Wing Commander Bell that is for sure. Not as bad as Gem living at home with his mom though when Noel rang him up to join Oasis. I think Noel also liked the idea of all these past guys being on Creation Records at one point or another. It was almost like a Creation supergroup (although Heavy Stereo didn't do jack shit). He is a very good musician and can compose a great tune every once in a while to and that is why he joined the band. As much as I love all the band members I find it funny that people talk about Andy and Gem like they're complete shit and talentless losers but Bonehead and Guigsy are great! Gimme a break!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 1, 2013 13:15:55 GMT -5
That is definitely a strong reason Noel asked him to join Oasis. Andy was coming off a couple failed bands and albums, was currently out of work and about to join "Gay Dad". Things weren't on the up and up for Wing Commander Bell that is for sure. Not as bad as Gem living at home with his mom though when Noel rang him up to join Oasis. I think Noel also liked the idea of all these past guys being on Creation Records at one point or another. It was almost like a Creation supergroup (although Heavy Stereo didn't do jack shit). He is a very good musician and can compose a great tune every once in a while to and that is why he joined the band. As much as I love all the band members I find it funny that people talk about Andy and Gem like they're complete shit and talentless losers but Bonehead and Guigsy are great! Gimme a break! When did I say either one of them were shit? Gem far exceeded my expectations for him. He wrote better tunes that I imagined (Hung In A Bad Place, A Bell Will Ring, Eyeball Tickler and To Be Where There Is Life). I think he contributed more than Andy did. Good band member. Andy wrote a few good tunes but nothing anywhere near his potential. That was my point. He should have done more.
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Post by mimmihopps on Mar 1, 2013 13:18:35 GMT -5
I loved and still love his guitar solo from "Step Into My World". I think he's a great guitar player as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 13:27:03 GMT -5
I like the guy. Hes quite good on guitar, and I like his songwritting. He only lacks charisma.
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Post by MacaRonic on Mar 1, 2013 13:41:04 GMT -5
Good musician, good songwriter, very good guitar player and seems like a pretty nice guy to me.
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Post by andymorris on Mar 1, 2013 13:44:38 GMT -5
Andy's best songs for Oasis aren't on Oasis records coz Noel rejected them.
How can anyone hate the guy, he's harmless and probably always in a good mood.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 13:47:54 GMT -5
Andy's best songs for Oasis aren't on Oasis records coz Noel rejected them. How can anyone hate the guy, he's harmless and probably always in a good mood. I look at it from the perspective that Andy brought precious little to the band that any competent guitar player wouldn't have. His songs were average at best. Agreed - he lacks charisma. I like Gem.
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Post by andymorris on Mar 1, 2013 13:56:04 GMT -5
Andy brought calm and serenity to this band, that way they managed not to break up for 10 more years. Come on, what you see or hear is not everything.
Four Letter Word, Kill for a Dream & Millionaire are good songs, written for Oasis. Not average. With a better production they could have been great tunes.
There's probably others we've never heard of that Noel rejected.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 14:06:31 GMT -5
whoa whoa whoa "hate" Andy Bell??? sure he's not the strongest personality or musician in the band but I rather like the guy. He doesn't seem to mind letting the 'bigger' personalities of the Gallaghers take the limelight and media attention but he's always there, steady and reliable. seems like a very intelligent thoughtful guy who COULD be assertive if he needed and wanted to be but chooses not. I don't mind that, as much as I love and admire the Gallaghers for their guts I can identify more with Andy. and c'mon man hating on him for his beard? that's kind of a cheap shot lol
this is my favorite Andy tune, the album version is good but hearing Andy sing it tho he's not the best singer just makes it for me.
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Post by andymorris on Mar 1, 2013 14:36:44 GMT -5
Not talking all the time or bullshiting or hitting people doesn't mean lack of personality, it's unbelievable how people think sometimes.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 1, 2013 14:54:49 GMT -5
Andy brought calm and serenity to this band, that way they managed not to break up for 10 more years. Come on, what you see or hear is not everything. I tend to think that was Gem's influence not Andy's. Gem went out for a smoke and Oasis split up...just saying. Everyone says Gem was the peacemaker. Noel never seemed close with Andy so I doubt he was the bridge that kept the Gallagher's together. He's hardly worthy of strong emotion IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 15:00:37 GMT -5
I'll give Andy credit were credit is due . . . he brought height to Oasis.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 15:14:15 GMT -5
Saying you hate Andy Bell is like saying you hate lukewarm tap water.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 15:20:15 GMT -5
I fear this comes as a lunatic rant about how much of a shit Andy is.
It's not like that, I assure you.
I have nothing against the man personally (asides from the beard - for the sake of men everywhere, shave it, please, Andy).
What I take issue with is a man who exudes no real character, who contributed and still contributes songs that are below par with that of his fellow bandmates, and occupies a space in one of the greatest bands of all time.
To deserve a place in Oasis 2.0, if I may describe the exit of Bonehead and Guigsy as such, it requires either someone who is either very talented at songwriting or in musicianship (I would contend Andy is average at both, but that is only my opinion), or is of such fine character that exceptional skills are no longer required, as was the case with both Liam and Noel who whilst neither being of outstanding singing or guitar playing ability, compensated for this by being mesmerising in many other ways.
In summary, Andy occupied a post that could have been filled with any run-of-the-mill guitarist and nothing of any great importance would have been lost.
To re-iterate : my anger lies not with Andy as a man, but as essentially the thief of a precious space in a great rock 'n' roll band.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 16:19:40 GMT -5
I fear this comes as a lunatic rant about how much of a shit Andy is. It's not like that, I assure you. I have nothing against the man personally (asides from the beard - for the sake of men everywhere, shave it, please, Andy). What I take issue with is a man who exudes no real character, who contributed and still contributes songs that are below par with that of his fellow bandmates, and occupies a space in one of the greatest bands of all time. To deserve a place in Oasis 2.0, if I may describe the exit of Bonehead and Guigsy as such, it requires either someone who is either very talented at songwriting or in musicianship (I would contend Andy is average at both, but that is only my opinion), or is of such fine character that exceptional skills are no longer required, as was the case with both Liam and Noel who whilst neither being of outstanding singing or guitar playing ability, compensated for this by being mesmerising in many other ways. In summary, Andy occupied a post that could have been filled with any run-of-the-mill guitarist and nothing of any great importance would have been lost. To re-iterate : my anger lies not with Andy as a man, but as essentially the thief of a precious space in a great rock 'n' roll band. Guigs had no personality at all, he said nowt all the time and just smoked weed all the time so I wouldn't say had such a fine attitude
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