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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 13:05:33 GMT -5
some great info and discussion on this thread, nice one.
Personally, I'm not a 'fanatic' fan, I've just loved Oasis from the start and caught them at every stage on the journey. And I'm not disappointed by BDI, I think they're a solid 'band' and tbh they remind me of Weller's post-TSC 'movement' period, kind of finding their feet and haltingly seeing where it will go. They could become what The Faces were to Small Faces, and that would be no bad thing.
Noel's album is obviously going to be a big deal (and I can't wait for it) but it will be interesting to see how his own voice stands up to full gigs night after night, and also if the 'seated audience to lose the beer-boys' strategy works for him personally.
It's all good fun, with a proper 'story'! What Oasis are/were all about eh?
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Post by gdforever on Aug 27, 2011 13:16:13 GMT -5
I'm pretty confident Noel's going to be able to pull it off live. Just look at MTV unplugged or "the dreams we have as children", that's Noel sitting on a chair, playing his songs, with strings and a choir (in 2010), quite different from Oasis, but sublime. I don't think that you can look @ the MTV unplugged or the TCT gigs as a template for Noel live. He isn't going to have all that backing of choir and strings with his band. And it isn't going to be acoustic presumably since he has recruited a whole band and has talked about having the stand stage center. And he isn't going to have all the Oasis classics to fall back on. Tunes that the fans were already sold one, most of them for @ least a decade. Only 4 or 5. He's never had to sell new songs through a whole set as a frontman with a band that no one knows behind him. I think that the hecklers and responses will be funny though. Despite the fact that Noel says he doesn't like have people shout @ him in small gigs he seems to enjoy the back and forth. And he's hilarious @ it. The bit in that Lowry bootleg where he chides the guy for getting up to take a piss as the intro to Wonderwall is played cracks me up every time. And then asking the guy about his visit to the lavatory when he gets back. "Shit or a piss? Piss? I hope it fucking stung"
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Post by BEng on Aug 27, 2011 13:35:01 GMT -5
I wonder how Noel's going to pull the strings, the choir, the brass section and all that off. The gigs are much too small to justify a string quartet, brass players and a choir. And I doubt if the synthesizer is going to do a good job at imitating those sound. I tend to think that a lot of the songs are going to be in the direction of Noel TCT or MTV unplugged. Just look at EIOTR. It's obviously going to be much less electric guitar, and much more acoustic guitars, strings and other instruments as with Oasis.
He already sang "heavy songs" (WFTR) playing a guitar, he already did acoustic sessions, he already did songs accompanied by a whole orchestra and a choir, he's done it all, that's what I wanted to say.
The only question is, if the combination of all 3 is going to work. I believe it is. He's going to have great new songs that are going to surprise anyone, plus some old Oasis songs to keep everyone happy.
You could say that BDI needed to sell new songs to people, with a familiar band, whereas Noel needs to sell "familiar" songs with a new band. (With "familiar" I mean that people used to go to an Oasis gig for Noel's gongs, not Liam's, Gem's or Andy's. Most people are familiar with Noels songwriting, whereas people weren't that comfortable with BDI's songwriters...)
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Post by magicpie1980 on Aug 27, 2011 13:48:15 GMT -5
Jeff, Just saw your cover of "If not for you" By Bobby D, And i must say it was top draw;) Being a massive Noel and Bob Dylan fan i would love to see Noel follow the great man's path, and i really feel that this album is his Oh Mercy;) MP;) Thanks MP! I'm not sure I get the comparison, but I think Noel is taking a mature, long-term approach. Very cool. I think its just because Oh Mercy and Most Of The Time are my fav song and album, i feel the stuff i have heard so far would have that most of the time feel to it.. I got all excited when i saw the church for the angels on one of the early photo releases, i thought this was gonna be like a Slow Train Coming,Saved or Infidels type album;) It seems like its gonna be top draw though if your impressed, having a Bob Dylan and Beatles background you seem to be well musically read;) Your very well read its well known;) MP;)
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Post by gdforever on Aug 27, 2011 14:03:43 GMT -5
That's why I think that Noel's shows will be interesting. I think he's going to have to strip back some of those tunes to the basics and then build them up in a different way that can be accomplished with 2 guitars, keyboard, bass, and drums. Listen to the EOTR sync and then just the soundcheck with the acoustic guitar. It's an alright song acoustic but a bit boring. It's the build up achieved through the use of the choir that give you shivers going into that chorus. Take away that choir and the song really loses something.
I am hoping that he isn't going to do anything as basic as just stripping anything that has complex instrumentation back to acoustic. I'm sure they all could be because they are all written by someone who writes on an acoustic guitar.
And EOTR won't be the only challenge by a long shot. I'm interested to see how he translates an album that doesn't have an emphasis on guitars into a live show by a traditional 4 piece guitar band.
I don't think Noel is fixated on making the live tunes sound exactly like the album tracks otherwise he wouldn't have gone so extravagant in his albums instrumentation. He ad to know he wasn't going to have a string quartet, wine glasses, choir, and saw player on tour with him. I'm sure he's considered a dozen ways that he could have built those songs. He decided on a certain way for the album but I am sure that there are others more basic but still interesting ways that he could have done it.
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Post by Rifles on Aug 27, 2011 14:10:47 GMT -5
A lot of the strings can be reproduced through the keyboard, and Dave from the Sand Band should provide some decent backing vocals. I think after hearing the album and really taking it in, we'll have a real appreciation for the stripped down songs we're sure to hear live. The same way DLBIA sounds great acoustically, same with the Masterplan. Those songs are epic on record, but come off great stripped down as well.
That's what makes Noel's songs so good. At their core they're still just acoustic songs with great melodies.
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Post by exit1 on Aug 27, 2011 17:12:35 GMT -5
Well really, thanks to all of you. I feel like I'm pretty lucky to have had this opportunity and am happy to share my thoughts. But passing along your honest excitement and reactions has been a pleasure and I'm just glad Noel and his team have been able to hear the good word. ] I'm due to interview him (and Dave Sardy) in a few weeks, so I'll be sure to underscore the point.[/quoteSo ,in this case,can you ask Noel about the songs "Come on it´s alright or Slow" ,why it didn´t appear in this new album,please?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 27, 2011 18:15:45 GMT -5
Well really, thanks to all of you. I feel like I'm pretty lucky to have had this opportunity and am happy to share my thoughts. But passing along your honest excitement and reactions has been a pleasure and I'm just glad Noel and his team have been able to hear the good word. ] I'm due to interview him (and Dave Sardy) in a few weeks, so I'll be sure to underscore the point.[/quoteSo ,in this case,can you ask Noel about the songs "Come on it´s alright or Slow" ,why it didn´t appear in this new album,please? Yes...I second that request. What the hell ever happened to Slow? 1997 was a long time ago.
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Post by General Dread on Aug 27, 2011 18:23:36 GMT -5
Thanks for all the info and updates, a great, great thread.
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Post by kenneth on Aug 27, 2011 19:40:49 GMT -5
Man, oh man! I really can't wait for this album. October really seems like lightyears ahead... Thanks alot for the info Jeff. That really was some fantastic info you got us there, and definitely valued since you're such a massive fans like us and got a lot more insight into Oasis' music than the average music journalist If you're still here Jeff: Care to write some more about What A Life? I'm really excited about that song, and the song has gotten really good reviews by people who've heard it. If I'm not mistaken, you thought it was the weakest song out of the six, no? Could you see that song filling modern day dance clubs (Like David Guetta songs tend to do), or is it more like Setting Sun and Let Forever Be?
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Post by Velo on Aug 28, 2011 2:06:22 GMT -5
With the other descriptions of the song and the mention of Noel that he wanted it to sound a lot like the stuff he listened to in clubs when he was younger makes me think it'll lean towards the latter.
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Post by cheerfuljamie on Aug 28, 2011 6:08:44 GMT -5
Just listening to the Calling Generation Mojo album while reading this it's a great album
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Post by CF83 on Aug 28, 2011 18:45:50 GMT -5
Agree, when I imagine Noel live with HFB I think back to MTV Unplugged, which was immense. I know it wont be anything like that gig, but I think he'll be absolutely great live, and is just really being a bit critical of himself as a frontman to cover his own arse, which is fair enough.
Cheers Jeff for the info, exciting times!!
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Aug 28, 2011 19:28:52 GMT -5
Jeff - thanks for sharing, very cool stuff, and very jealous of your experience.
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Post by jeffslate on Aug 28, 2011 20:03:34 GMT -5
Just listening to the Calling Generation Mojo album while reading this it's a great album Thanks! Check out our debut (digital retro) and the EP Collection. I like those better. Or just dip in to the Best Of. Lol.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 28, 2011 20:51:22 GMT -5
Hey Jeff, was there any mention at all at this listening party about the AA album and if any songs on High Flying Birds might be heard on the AA album in some weird twisted psyched out form? Just curious. Thanks in advance!
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Post by jeffslate on Sept 1, 2011 18:04:25 GMT -5
Hey Jeff, was there any mention at all at this listening party about the AA album and if any songs on High Flying Birds might be heard on the AA album in some weird twisted psyched out form? Just curious. Thanks in advance! No mention. And I really regretted not asking him about it afterwards. It'd be good for him to know that some of us Stateside know AA.
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Post by paperbackwriter on Sept 1, 2011 21:39:07 GMT -5
hey jeff, is that preview of what a life a good idea of what the full song is? I mean is the whole song in that vein or is there something "bigger" or different than that first minute and a half?
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Post by paperbackwriter on Sept 5, 2011 21:42:43 GMT -5
yep, it's pretty much what the whole song is about... dissapointed
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Post by jeffslate on Sept 11, 2011 19:08:20 GMT -5
Forgot to post this. It's a promo card with more info on the listening session.
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Post by jeffslate on Sept 11, 2011 19:09:25 GMT -5
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Post by putthisin ® on Sept 11, 2011 20:05:23 GMT -5
Thanks man. But why is "november 8th" on the card?
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Post by mugsy on Sept 11, 2011 20:20:18 GMT -5
That's the US release date.
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Post by putthisin ® on Sept 11, 2011 20:29:38 GMT -5
Of course, thanks!
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