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Post by ringoiceman on Jul 27, 2011 17:09:03 GMT -5
the media will love the brothers at loggerheads , ok good for publicity, but they will ultimately side with noel as he wrote the best tunes.... fair enough , but i hope liam and co dont suffer some media hyped war, as they have made a solid album, personaly i think oasis had got dull and the split revitalises them and the music, i like them both ... but sides are beginning to appear on various youtube comments..... its gonna get ugly!!! but hey its more interesting than lady gagas eskimo pube dress or justin biebers wig
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Post by gdforever on Jul 27, 2011 17:17:10 GMT -5
I don't think Liam would appreciate pity.
I hope that the pressure pushes them to really know the next album out of the park but I just hope that they stay positive and put Nol out of their minds.
The worst thing for the Liam hype machine had to be nothing to do with Noel though IMO. It was the comment about DGSS being the best album for 50 years. I don't disagree with aiming high...but that was just a foolish thing to put out there.
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Post by J.B on Jul 27, 2011 17:25:31 GMT -5
I think it's a shame that DGSS is being portrayed by the media, and as a result people, as a terrible record just because it hasn't sold huge units and the fact that Noel didn't write any songs on it.
Just like the constant comparisons between Beady Eye and Noel it is lazy and uninformed. DGSS is a good album and there are some top songs on there.
If people bothered to listen to the album just once they would be able to see that rather than talking a load of shit.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 27, 2011 17:31:48 GMT -5
I don't think that DGSS is being portrayed as a bad album...just average. Which to a man with Liam's ego might be bad. But I haven't gotten the impression that it is being slated because of sales.
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Post by mkoasis on Jul 27, 2011 21:21:52 GMT -5
I think there is a really great amount of talent in Beady Eye between those fellows, undeniably...but I realize (especially after hearing TDOYAM) that they needed Noel. We've heard lots of great music from Beady Eye that sounds great but unfinished or missing something...makes me realize what a shame it is that they are no longer making music together.
Agreed, Liam doesnt need pity, but he's done really well for himself, and even though many consider DGSS to be average, it certainly fared better than people would have expected. Noel is getting the recognition and credibility which he's earned. But BDI are definitly having to work extra hard for even that because it seems that the odds are against them.
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Post by Bittersweet Split on Jul 27, 2011 22:51:17 GMT -5
If Oasis had broken up after Whats the Story, Beady Eye would be hailed as a Supergroup, brining back the whatever music they want to.
Liams just screwed, because Noel can and does talk to the press, well.
But Liams the one in the band, in the end. His mates are the true ones, the adoration of millions of the fans and public probably means shite in comparison.
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Post by starwillshine on Jul 28, 2011 13:23:44 GMT -5
Definitely. Noel has the media well wrapped around his finger and is backing that up with the type of songs we all expected (very good). Liam on the other hand is getting badly potrayed left, right and centre. From the youtube comments 'has been' 'non talented brother' etc etc and to Gordan Smart's column from a few weeks ago that made him look bad 3 days in a row (the story about his missing hat, Monkey image).
The better Noels album is the worse Liam will look I think, more negative comments towards him and BDI. Being unfairly compared.
Also doesn't help when people still when they think of LG they just think back to all the bad press fights etc in the 90's.
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Post by RocketMan on Jul 28, 2011 13:42:24 GMT -5
I think it's a shame that DGSS is being portrayed by the media, and as a result people, as a terrible record just because it hasn't sold huge units and the fact that Noel didn't write any songs on it. well, the fact that noel didn't write a song for this album is the reason why this record is bad. let's face it. the best songs on the last three oasis albums were written by noel. the LAG songs were nothing more than average or below average
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Post by GIMH on Jul 28, 2011 16:02:08 GMT -5
If Oasis had broken up after Whats the Story, Beady Eye would be hailed as a Supergroup, brining back the whatever music they want to. . If Oasis had split after Morning Glory, hardly anyone would have ever heard of Gem Archer and Andy Bell. Hardly supergroup material.
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Post by manualex on Jul 28, 2011 17:58:53 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? Andy Bell had not one but two great albums(and one on the way)... So he would have been recognized. Gem on the other hand...
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Post by gdforever on Jul 28, 2011 20:48:41 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? Andy Bell had not one but two great albums(and one on the way)... So he would have been recognized. Gem on the other hand... Not by the masses Without a doubt the biggest thing on ALL their musical resume's in Oasis. You seriously imagine people going. "That's amazing that LG hooked up with the dude from Ride. HOW AWESOME IS THAT!" without everyone saying..."who is Ride?" A supergroup is like The Good The Bad and The Queen. Something made up of members of Blur, The Clash, The Verve. Or Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young. I'm still not convinced of whether BDI should actually be referred to as a supergroup. It's basically a group of people who's biggest claim to fame is Oasis with out anything new. They didn't even replace the bass player officially. Even Velvet Revolver added a couple new members.
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Jul 29, 2011 12:29:44 GMT -5
BDI isn't anything like a supergroup. A better comparison would be something like Jefferson Starship, a spin-off band.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2011 12:47:58 GMT -5
I've been trying to think of a comparison where the main songwriter leaves and the rest of the band takes up the challenge and gets bigger - was thinking small faces to the faces but they brought rod'n'ronnie in, so the best I can come up with is vince clarke leaving depeche mode (although they of course kept the name) any ideas?
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jul 29, 2011 13:25:52 GMT -5
Beady Eye were always going to get a kicking once Noel announced his plans. The press are generally slimy, hypocritical, two faced and arse lickey.
Noel and Liam are both massive draws. I could be wrong but don't NME always massively increase whenever one of them (or both) are on the cover?
Any negativity towards Liam automatically generates positive publicity for Noel as it can be turned into "Here's Noel to show how its done" or "DGSS showed why Noel is the chief" and such like. Therefore the press will portray Liam in a negative light at every opportunity to promote Noel. The average sales are just a stick to beat Beady Eye with.
Where I do feel sympathy for Liam is that the opposite isn't necessarily true. There won't be any negativity towards Noel when Beady Eye promote their next albim in the same way that there is towards Liam at the minute. Obviously I'm talking about the press here, not Liam slagging Noel off and visa versa.
I think the press are a bit intimidated by Liam where as they know what they're going to get with Noel - he doesn't have the swagger and the unpredictability, they're guaranteed a witty quote, Noel mainly interacted with the press in Oasis and doesn't have the same reputation as Liam. Therefore Noel will be portrayed as the good guy and Liam the bad guy.
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Jul 29, 2011 13:54:12 GMT -5
I've been trying to think of a comparison where the main songwriter leaves and the rest of the band takes up the challenge and gets bigger - was thinking small faces to the faces but they brought rod'n'ronnie in, so the best I can come up with is vince clarke leaving depeche mode (although they of course kept the name) any ideas? Gin Blossoms' main songwriter Doug Hopkins left and they kept going (with the same name). Badfinger made two more records after Pete Ham killed himself. The Left Banke made another record after Michael Brown left.
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Post by ctmazin on Jul 29, 2011 14:10:17 GMT -5
Nyron--no doubt the press is more favourably disposed towards Noel. But it's not just because he's an easier interview/less imposing/wittier. It's also because he's clearly more talented. Not to say that Liam wasn't a key part of Oasis' success. But people give respect to talent, and Noel towers over Liam in that respect, especially since Liam's voice started to go.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 29, 2011 14:16:20 GMT -5
I've been trying to think of a comparison where the main songwriter leaves and the rest of the band takes up the challenge and gets bigger - was thinking small faces to the faces but they brought rod'n'ronnie in, so the best I can come up with is vince clarke leaving depeche mode (although they of course kept the name) any ideas? Gin Blossoms' main songwriter Doug Hopkins left and they kept going (with the same name). Badfinger made two more records after Pete Ham killed himself. The Left Banke made another record after Michael Brown left. His point was that he couldn't think of anyone that had more success with the offshoot band than with the original. Gin Blossom - got smaller Badfinger - smaller The Left Banke - smaller I don't there is anything is history quite like BDI. The songwriter of a big band leaves. The remainder decide to stay together and don't add anyone new and choose to go under a different name. They are unique in musical history IMO
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Jul 29, 2011 14:21:55 GMT -5
Oh...I didn't read the post carefully enough. In that case, though, BDI is not unique because they're not bigger than Oasis. They chose a different name but I'm sure if they wanted to stay on a major label (like the bands I mentioned) they would've been forced to keep the Oasis name in order to sell more records.
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