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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 3, 2011 12:20:45 GMT -5
We need Noel news desperately. How this topic has turned into something masqerading as a proper important debate I will never understand.
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Post by putthisin ® on Jun 3, 2011 16:22:30 GMT -5
Get the fuck over it. If you have liked Liam for this long and only now finding out he tells his honest opinion on artists who are put to him you are an idiot. He's been doing it for years Exactly. Some people are overrating because he's trashing one of their favorite artists.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2011 17:31:42 GMT -5
Unlike R'kid I believe that Dylan wrote a shitload of great tunes. The "miserable vagina" bit is true tho. See if you can watch the vid below without cringing.
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Post by kimallenbewick on Jun 3, 2011 18:27:51 GMT -5
I don't know why some people overreact that much. Liam always has said things like this.. Not a surprise to me ... It's just Liam.
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Post by deadman on Jun 3, 2011 19:46:20 GMT -5
This interview is in The Times today. As their website is behind a paywall, it requires someone to provide a scan.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jun 3, 2011 21:12:47 GMT -5
Liam's the miserable one: always complaining about modern music and putting everybody down in the press. I don't see him making a christmas album or going on a never ending tour for 23 years (and counting!). These outbursts won't give him any new fans, he actually might lose a few because I'm getting tired of his contstant criticism on musicians and modern music. lmao a christmas album ??/ wtf?? lol anyhow, what has he ever said about "modern music" that hurt your feelings? He's pretty much right about everything he's ever said about "modern music" and the stupid little baby bands and the front runners who listen to it.
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Post by spaneli on Jun 3, 2011 21:22:11 GMT -5
Liam's the miserable one: always complaining about modern music and putting everybody down in the press. I don't see him making a christmas album or going on a never ending tour for 23 years (and counting!). These outbursts won't give him any new fans, he actually might lose a few because I'm getting tired of his contstant criticism on musicians and modern music. lmao a christmas album ??/ wtf?? lol anyhow, what has he ever said about "modern music" that hurt your feelings? He's pretty much right about everything he's ever said about "modern music" and the stupid little baby bands and the front runners who listen to it. What are you terming as modern music?
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jun 3, 2011 21:32:06 GMT -5
Bob Dylan's music's great.
Liam's ignorant.
(why is this discussed?)
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Post by gdforever on Jun 3, 2011 22:11:58 GMT -5
Liam rarely says anything about music.
Even when he is asked about someone's music...he always insults them personally. It's funny for a while...but it can be a bit tiresome.
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Post by NYR on Jun 3, 2011 23:57:15 GMT -5
i'm a HUGE dylan fan. i've seen him live three times, read his memoir and own all of his records. he's one of my all time favorite artists. that being said, he's pretty well known for being, as liam calls it, a "miserable fuck." he's hardly the biggest ray of sunshine in the world, but then again, neither is liam. when it comes to talent though, dylan blows him out of the water beyond comparison.
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Post by thuperthonic on Jun 4, 2011 3:44:24 GMT -5
My fav Dylan record is The Bootleg Series Volume 4 (The "Royal Albert Hall Concert"). Disc 2, of course.
Liam will never make a record that good.
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Post by outtatimewalrus on Jun 4, 2011 4:41:46 GMT -5
Bob Dylan's music's great. Liam's ignorant. (why is this discussed?)
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Post by pascal on Jun 4, 2011 4:45:15 GMT -5
Bob Dylan's music's great. Liam's ignorant. (why is this discussed?)
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Post by Bring It On Dan on Jun 4, 2011 7:51:36 GMT -5
Some of Dylan's stuff is unbelievably good, but most of it is mind-numbingly boring.
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Post by NYR on Jun 4, 2011 10:14:57 GMT -5
Some of Dylan's stuff is unbelievably good, but most of it is mind-numbingly boring. i'll take a boring dylan song over "little james" or "ain't got nothing" any day of the week.
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Post by outtatimewalrus on Jun 4, 2011 12:33:39 GMT -5
Liam always want to be like Lennon, he wrote a lot of Beatles style songs (Songbird, I'm Outta Time, Born on a Different Cloud...) I saw him wear Lennon eyeglasses....Dylan is Dylan and that's all, he influenced a lot of bands but was never influenced by someone, I mean in the phisically aparence, and I think it's very Different. You can criticize Colplay or Radiohead Liam, but not a Rock n Roll monument !
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Post by space75gr on Jun 4, 2011 14:00:30 GMT -5
i think everyone has the right not to like Dylan.
personally i think Dylan is A Legend, A Giant, but somehow i dont want to hear most of his songs
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Post by rupertg on Jun 4, 2011 22:22:13 GMT -5
I don't believe in Zimmerman
John Lennon
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Post by outtatimewalrus on Jun 5, 2011 3:12:45 GMT -5
"And we met some good people like Bob Dylan and Joan Baez, you know, and I enjoy meeting people I admire."
John Lennon, September 13, 1964
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Post by deadman on Jun 5, 2011 5:13:25 GMT -5
It's not Oasis," Liam Gallagher says at the suggestion that there isn't much difference between his old band and the new one. "But let's face it, it's not that far off, is it?" Beady Eye - essentially Oasis without Noel, formed after the elder brother finally walked out before a gig in Paris in 2009 - have just completed their first sell-out tour, before crowds of men throwing beer glasses at each other and chanting Liam's name. Their debut album, meanwhile, returns to the early Oasis formula: Sixties-style tunes with a Mancunian swagger. It's as if the past 20 years hadn't happened.
We're in the surprisingly genteel Beady Eye headquarters in a mews street in Marylebone, Central London. Gallagher adopts the sullen, unblinking stare that makes his stage presence so compelling as he reflects on Beady Eye's successful, but extremely rowdy, debut gigs. "Our audience, on the whole, want to have a good time. And they're not hard to please. You know what I mean? You hope the gigs will be similar to Oasis and that, and there's no reason why they shouldn't be because we're pretty much the same f***in' people."
I was going to address the criticisms levelled at Beady Eye - that they offer an undemanding take on basic rock, that they haven't changed their haircuts, let alone their music, since Oasis began in the early Nineties - but Liam Gallagher has got there before me.
We're with Beady Eye's genial guitarist Gem Archer, who joined Oasis in 1999 and has stayed loyal to Liam ever since. You might expect the pair to be defensive after reviews praised the rock'n'roll spirit of Beady Eye's debut album but derided its lack of originality, but it seems that they couldn't care less.
They appear to have accepted that Beady Eye have taken Oasis's place as the band of the people: unlikely to inspire contemplation and reflection in the listener, but not bad after a few beers on a Friday night.
"Our gigs are going to appeal to the same kind of people that went to see the Faces in the Seventies," Archer says quietly, with a tinge of enthusiasm. "The Faces were never going to get the Genesis fans, were they? It's a certain type of person."
That's not to say there haven't been subtle changes in the transition from Oasis to Beady Eye. "Beady Eye should be massive, but you can be massive without getting fat," Gallagher says.
"I think we did with Oasis. You get a load of f***ing money and before you know it you're buying big houses and shit like that. You want a really expensive holiday. You're lording it in fancy restaurants. And then you've forgotten about what you're meant to be doing, which is making music.
"The thing is, we've done all that now. We'll still have a good time, but the main thing is the music."
This new commitment to the music means that Gallagher is exploring the dark art of songwriting, an area previously taken care of by Noel. Most musicians shroud this process in all kinds of mystery. Not Liam.
"This is how we write songs: someone says, 'I've got this one, he's got that one', and before you know it you've got a whole f***ing album. With Oasis I always felt like Noel had a plan, and to me, looking back on it, that's how you end up with a f***ing concept record if you're not careful. With Beady Eye, anything goes. One song might sound like the early Bee Gees, another like the Sex Pistols. If it's a good tune we're having it."
"If Beady Eye were a car it would be a supercharged Mini, man, zipping around," Archer adds. "We work fast. And everything, from finalising the mixes to designing the logo, has been done by us. There's no A&R men, no stylists. It's just us, jabbing at dials and pointing at things." Within this process, Liam can still suffer from moments of artistic struggle. "If there's something bothering you, you've got to go there," he says, talking about trying something new in the studio. "That's experimenting, isn't it?" It takes time spent with Gallagher to realise what a strange, unique person he is. He hardly moves. He's good looking in a truculent way. He doesn't smile. He has a quick-wittedness that rarely gets mentioned.
And he's far more likeable than he's generally given credit for, never assuming the superior air that so many famous musicians adopt when talking to journalists. He shows respect for his band mates and his fans. It's just the rest of the music world that he has a problem with.
"When we do a gig I don't have to say, 'Right, get your hands in the air'," Gallagher says, explaining why Beady Eye gigs are great and everyone else's are terrible. "I hate all that shit, as you can probably tell. A lot of people are doing that in England right now and it f***ing bugs the f*** out of me. But then they have to do that because their tunes are shit."
The festival season is upon us. Beady Eye will be playing its part, with appearances at Reading, Leeds and the Isle of Wight. Gallagher is not a fan of Glastonbury ("It's like Bond Street with mud, celebrities walking around in their famous wellingtons") or this year's festival favourites ("I hope everyone that goes to see f***ing Mumford & Sons blows their f***ing minds, but me personally? Couldn't give a f***"), but he reserves his real wrath for bands that use festival appearances to inject a dose of feel-good, we're-all-in-it-together camaraderie into the crowd.
"There are people who will go up and say, 'You're all looking beautiful'," Gallagher says, imitating a glib voice. "Like, f*** off, man, you f***ing arse-licking bastard. Shit like that makes me want to throw up. I don't care who you f***ing are.
"It's like at Glastonbury: 'You're all looking great!' You wouldn't give the f***ing time of day to those bastards if you bumped into them in the toilet or the burger stand, you lying c***s." He pauses for breath and looks me in the eye. "You know what I mean?" There must be some festival acts he likes? How about classic bands from the Sixties, coming back to play to a new crowd? "All those f***ers playing their greatest hits are shitbags."
How about Bob Dylan? Has Dylan's 70th birthday caused Gallagher to pause and reflect on the great man's work? "I know all about him and that, but he's a bit of a miserable c*** as far as I'm concerned.
I like that tune he did, Lady La? Lady Lay? People go nuts for him, but he doesn't really do it for me."
What about when he gets home after a hard day at the studio, throws a cloth over the lamp, pours himself a glass of Chateauneuf-du-Pape and unwinds? Are there records that he relaxes to? "I don't really do that, man. Haven't done for years. It's having kids, isn't it? I'm not one of those guys to come home from work, stick on a tune and have a glass of wine. I don't know what I'm doing most of the time. There's nothing new I want to listen to. I'm not interested, mate."
Does he actually like anyone? He reflects on this a while.
"Miles Kane's good," he eventually replies, referring to Beady Eye's support act. "He's young, he's a great guitarist, and he seems like he's having fun. But I don't listen to things, because you know what? I'm living in the moment. It's like: that was a great f***ing moment. Now get over it. There'll be another one tomorrow."
When Oasis finally split - "I simply could not go on working with Liam a day longer," Noel said after the fight in Paris in which the brothers smashed up each other's guitars - all of the other band members went into Beady Eye with Liam. It suggests that, despite the endless proclamations of hate, he's actually a fun person to be around. And he is. Whether it's deliberate or not, he's very entertaining and, you feel, imbued with his own sense of decency. But there's another person that incites his wrath: Noel Gallagher.
"He's heard Beady Eye. Of course he has, man. But I haven't talked to him about it. We're not talking." But he's your brother. Surely you've got to work this thing out? "It takes more than blood to be my brother, mate. He's living his life and I'm living mine. He's going to the [Manchester] City match next week, apparently, so we can have a chat about the album then. But I've seen enough of the c***. F*** that."
Then, with an announcement that he has a doctor's appointment and a quick shake of the hand, he's gone.
Beady Eye are at the Isle of Wight Festival, June 12, The Roundhouse, London, July 5, Somerset House, London, July 12, Reading Festival, August 26, Leeds Festival, August 27
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Post by lainie on Jun 5, 2011 7:43:47 GMT -5
Liam and Bob Dylan are both miserable vaginas, and I love them
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Post by songbirdsally on Jun 5, 2011 9:35:48 GMT -5
Thanks deadman!
That was actually a good interview. One of the few who mention they BOTH smashed each others guitars, almost all the other interviews seem to only mention Liam smashed Noels, for some reason..
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jun 12, 2015 19:12:18 GMT -5
What's a vagina?
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2015 19:20:38 GMT -5
What's your gaydar saying?
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jun 12, 2015 19:31:17 GMT -5
What's your gaydar saying?
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