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Post by gdforever on Dec 4, 2010 14:38:45 GMT -5
It is my opinion that DOYS drops sharply in quality after FD. From what I have read this is a pretty common opinion.
Do you think that they did themselves a disservices with frontloading the better track and making the relative quality of the Andy, Gem, and Liam's other 2 songs in relation to the rest of the album so obvious?
Would you view the album better if there weren't so obvious a drop near the end?
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Post by Headmaster on Dec 4, 2010 17:13:43 GMT -5
In some ways yes, but I think that Soldier On and TBWTL are great, the problem is that they've puted the best and more consistent songs on the first half and the two worst, AGN and TNOR, on the last half and in sequence, if The Turning was placed on the last half it would help a lot. Maybe like this:
Bag It Up Wating For The Rapture TSOTL I'm Outta Time High Horse Lady To Be Where There's Life Falling Down Ain't Got Nothing The Turning The Nature of Reality Soldier On
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Post by idledreamer on Dec 5, 2010 1:36:36 GMT -5
-'to be where there's life' is a great song
-g.o.y.h.h.l. (which comes BEFORE 'falling down') is the 2nd weakest song on the album i.m.o. (only behind t.n.o.r.) ... dire, absolutely dire
-and i still maintain that people would be holding 'soldier on' in a higher regard, had it been the 2nd-to-last track on the album (perhaps a set-up to/followed by 'record machine') , rather than the closer.
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Post by Leezy on Dec 5, 2010 7:52:08 GMT -5
Maybe... not as badly as 'Heathen Chemistry' though. After 'Little By Little' the album really goes to shit.
True, Record Machine n Stop The Clocks would probably have made DOYS a much better album, but I don't think they really suit the more bluesy rock sound of DOYS. Noels probably holding off on them n saving them for his 'solo' album now. At the time though he probably intended for them to be on the next Oasis album after DOYS.
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Post by supernovadragon on Dec 5, 2010 9:00:28 GMT -5
In my mind I have always thought that, with everything that was said about Liam not being around to record the vocals. Maybe Solder On wasn't intended to be a final track and that, either STC or RM was actually meant to be the final one (with Liam vocals) maybe?
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Post by The Morning Son on Dec 5, 2010 9:21:16 GMT -5
I Believe In All & Boy With The Blues should be Liam's other two tracks with I'm Outta Time. Noel should have replaced 'High Horse Lady' with one of his own too.
That and a slight re jig of the track list and that would be 10 times better in my opinion. Again I just think its poor choices by Oasis that let them down in latter years.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 5, 2010 11:09:32 GMT -5
I Believe In All & Boy With The Blues should be Liam's other two tracks with I'm Outta Time. Noel should have replaced 'High Horse Lady' with one of his own too. That and a slight re jig of the track list and that would be 10 times better in my opinion. Again I just think its poor choices by Oasis that let them down in latter years. I think Oasis made poor choices throughout their career. There have been flaws in their track choosing throughout. There isn't 1 album where I don't have at least 1 song that I think should have been replaced by a b-side from the same era. It's just that back when the bad choice were still pretty good...it didn't matter so much.
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Dec 6, 2010 1:55:43 GMT -5
^ I definitely agree with that. It's amazing to me that even I, as a big fan of Oasis for a long time now, have no 1 Oasis album I can regard as perfect from front to back. When you look at the wealth of great songs they have, there's no reason they couldn't have had 2 or 3 of those records.
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Post by beadyeyeunofficial on Dec 6, 2010 13:54:59 GMT -5
It should have been:
Bag it Up The Turning Waiting for the Rapture The Shock of the Lightning I'm Outta Time Those Swollen Hand Blues Falling Down To Be Where There's Life Ain't Got Nothin' I Believe In All The Boy with the Blues
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Dec 6, 2010 15:02:55 GMT -5
I Believe In All & Boy With The Blues should be Liam's other two tracks with I'm Outta Time. Noel should have replaced 'High Horse Lady' with one of his own too. That and a slight re jig of the track list and that would be 10 times better in my opinion. Again I just think its poor choices by Oasis that let them down in latter years. I think Oasis made poor choices throughout their career. There have been flaws in their track choosing throughout. There isn't 1 album where I don't have at least 1 song that I think should have been replaced by a b-side from the same era. It's just that back when the bad choice were still pretty good...it didn't matter so much. They definitely made mistakes. Even WTSMG could have been better - The Masterplan would have been a great album track - but it isn't that bad with DOYS, imo. I never really got why people hate AGN so much, it's better than Meaning of Soul or All in the mind. However it's true that I usually stop listening to DOYS after TBWTL. High Horse Lady isn't better than Soldier On, but it's between two of the best tracks on the record.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 6, 2010 16:18:04 GMT -5
What I don't understand is why we're always agreeing with how Oasis messed up their tracklistings, and we're almost always agreeing on replacements and changes. Why, though, did Noel and the band over look this? Why were they blind to something we can so evidently see?
I know Noel wanted albums to flow, and DOYS to have a distinct sound, which would mean limiting their best material (note how shit like TNOR got on board), but picking those songs over finished b-sides like TBWTB and countless other b-sides throughout their career is beyond me.
That's the one biggest criticism of Oasis for me. They very seldom got the tracklistings right. But then again, it produced gems for us real fans to find hidden in the depths of their back catalogue. Every cloud, eh....?
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Post by Headmaster on Dec 6, 2010 16:49:50 GMT -5
People even have arguments about Sargeant Pepper's tracklisting replacements(Strawberry Fields Forever and Penny Lane out? WTF??), why not with Oasis albums?
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Dec 6, 2010 19:20:43 GMT -5
^ And I think why it's even more prevalent in Oasis discussions is because Sgt. Pepper's, even without those two brilliant songs, is miles better than Dig Out Your Soul, no matter what tracks Noel put on it. So while the Beatles just had such a wealth of quality material it hardly mattered, it certainly mattered with Oasis.
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Post by The Morning Son on Dec 7, 2010 9:44:11 GMT -5
Bag it Up The Turning Waiting for the Rapture (Alt.Version) The Shock of the Lightning I'm Outta Time 45 second Instrumental (blends end of I'm Outta Time into the the beach & seagull sounds and then into FD). Falling Down To Be Where There's Life (starts with original but guitars fade in halfway through to built into solo at the end) I Believe In All The Nature Of Reality The Boy with the Blues
If those last 5 or 6 songs were mixed to flow almost like a medley and with Liam's two b-sides replacing AGN & Soldier On, I think that sort of album would have received better response from fans.
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Dec 7, 2010 13:18:58 GMT -5
Or, just make it a 6-song EP
Bag It Up The Turning Waiting For The Rapture The Shock Of The Lightning I'm Outta Time Falling Down
Brilliant that way.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 7, 2010 15:31:11 GMT -5
Or, just make it a 6-song EP Bag It Up The Turning Waiting For The Rapture The Shock Of The Lightning I'm Outta Time Falling Down Brilliant that way. But then what would we have to moan about? I remember reading a story a while ago that (I think it was Radiohead) was going to stop releasing LP and instead release more frequent EPs. Don't know if they ended up doing it because I don't like Radiohead so don't follow their releases. I would have love it if Oasis had started doing something like that. Trimmed @ the filler off and only gave us the meat...but then released more often....even if they only toured every second release if they didn't want to be on the road that much.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 7, 2010 19:08:40 GMT -5
Or, just make it a 6-song EP Bag It Up The Turning Waiting For The Rapture The Shock Of The Lightning I'm Outta Time Falling Down Brilliant that way. But then what would we have to moan about? We waited 3 years for 6 songs! The filler may drag down the album, but at least we have more music to listen to - and the likes of TBWTL isn't bad, tbf. I'd rather them just replace the bad songs (TNOR, SO, etc) with stuff like TBWTB.....More music is better. They had better music at their disposal. They should have picked a better complete tracklisting.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 7, 2010 19:49:39 GMT -5
But then what would we have to moan about? We waited 3 years for 6 songs! The filler may drag down the album, but at least we have more music to listen to - and the likes of TBWTL isn't bad, tbf. I'd rather them just replace the bad songs (TNOR, SO, etc) with stuff like TBWTB.....More music is better. They had better music at their disposal. They should have picked a better complete tracklisting. The principle of the idea is that u don't wait three years. More like 6 songs a year and a tour every second year. I know I personally rarely listen to the filler...skip past them mostly. I don't know what happened in Oasis that made them think that filler was alright in an album...but I think they did it knowingly. Maybe Noel going overboard on saving material and not squandering it like in the 90's. Also sometimes (particularly on DOYS but others as well) Noel obviously added in the filler he did because it went with the flow of the record, though they weren't the best songs they were included to lengthen the album. The principle seemed to be 'these are the songs that are going to make the backbone of the album, now we find stuff to fill in the gaps.' If they were just to have accepted that they only had six great songs and released an EP and then maybe a separate EP a year down the line then toured them. Then the EPs could have been separate in vibe. Then we might have gotten the 6 songs that Noel had said they started the DOYS sessions with before it morphed into what it became. Something more of a DBTT vibe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 20:33:35 GMT -5
This album would of been a lot better if it had I believe in all and Boy with the blues added onto it. So it was 13 tracks not 11.
Maybe Swollen Hand Blues as track 14.
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Post by World71R on Mar 29, 2015 21:58:52 GMT -5
This would've been one hell of an awesome track listing:
1. Bag it Up 2. The Turning 3. To Be Where There's Life 4. The Shock of the Lightning 5. I'm Outta Time 6. Waiting for the Rapture (Alt. Version #2) 7. Come on Outside (Liam vox) 8. Soldier On 9. Falling Down 10. Boy With the Blues
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 22:04:43 GMT -5
1. Bag It Up 2. The Turning 3. Waiting For The Rapture 4. The Shock Of The Lightning 5. I'm Outta Time 6. I Wanna Live In A Dream (In My Record Machine) - Liam vox 7. To Be Where There's Life 8. Come On, It's Alright - Liam vox 9. Soldier On 10. Falling Down 11. Boy With The Blues
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Post by Manualex on Mar 29, 2015 22:13:24 GMT -5
Or, just make it a 6-song EP Bag It Up The Turning Waiting For The Rapture The Shock Of The Lightning I'm Outta Time Falling Down Brilliant that way. But then what would we have to moan about? I remember reading a story a while ago that (I think it was Radiohead) was going to stop releasing LP and instead release more frequent EPs. Don't know if they ended up doing it because I don't like Radiohead so don't follow their releases. I would have love it if Oasis had started doing something like that. Trimmed @ the filler off and only gave us the meat...but then released more often....even if they only toured every second release if they didn't want to be on the road that much. They kinda did that with their last album King of limbs(8 tracks) and then they released some great double A singles(some tracks way better than the worst in the album) wich I dont think fitted the album(which is far from my favorite).
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