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Post by NYR on Sept 28, 2010 20:35:07 GMT -5
10/30/10, washington, dc.
seems like it's not only going to be funny, but also relevant. stewart and colbert are right that the crazies have taken over the discourse in america. that's because the rest of us have shit to do.
so is anybody going to this?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 28, 2010 20:52:36 GMT -5
I'm going because I'm being forced to go by a friend. In all honesty I think it's stupid and is more to exploit promotion of the comedians at the expense of political pundits.
You really think half of the attendants care? No, they probably don't. It's silly and irrelevant - more so than the words that come out of Palin, for that matter - but will draw crowds because of the celebrities involved. Really sad, imo, but whatever.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 28, 2010 20:57:37 GMT -5
Also Colbert's rant at Congress last week was idiotic beyond belief. Yes, he made a satirical point, so what? He wasted tax payer dollars, he wasted congressional time, AND HE MADE DEMOCRATS LOOK EVEN MORE STUPID (which compromised his original point as he was trying to mock Republicans!)
Yes, I know Elmo testified Congress too. Yes, I think that's silly, too. And of course two wrongs don't make a right. But it's not even a case of that. "Elmo" had a legit agenda - it promoted better education, something we all can agree on. Colbert was there just to mock congress and had no agenda to promote a better well being.
Democrats, who approved of this antic, have just been proven to be so out of touch. It's not funny. It's idiotic.
"Har har 9.6% unemployment, let me mock it" Fuck off. It's not the time, and was so inappropriate.
As we all say on this forum about Bono and Chris Martin - if you want to yelp about politics, ditch the preaching music and be a politician. If Stewart and Colbert want to be taken seriously then stop with the idiocy. Unbelievable.
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Post by NYR on Sept 28, 2010 22:36:21 GMT -5
yes, i do think the attendants care. or, at least, i would hope so. they should be if they're traveling to dc. i mean, i don't think that those at the glenn beck rally didn't care. why should these people be any different? 1. how was it a rant? i watched it. i didn't see anything close to resembling a rant. he wasn't even on it for 12 minutes. that's hardly a waste of tax payer dollars. 2. i don't think he was mocking republicans. he was giving testimony. also, if you watch the answer to the final question he was asked, was that mocking anybody? it was a plea, from the heart, and out of character. (the video's below.) 3. it was a little ridiculous for him to have been invited, but what was he going to do? say no? i wouldn't, and neither would you. it's obvious you didn't watch it. he wasn't preaching on a pulpit. ignorance is bliss, i guess. also... www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-september-27-2010/truthiness-to-power
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Post by NYR on Oct 5, 2010 20:39:15 GMT -5
you think it's funny, but it's scary. that's why i really like the idea behind the rally to restore sanity. I'm being dragged to that, but I hate the man. Stewart is so pretentious. The Daily Show isn't funny, and he's not as smart as he thinks he is. On top of that, people give him way too much credit - I've been reading a few articles about any implications this will have for either party. Just like the idiotic Colbert testifying Congress move, it won't have any effect, except for making the organizers look dumb in the process. He's a comedian ffs, not a politician. EDIT: Also, doesn't he, or don't others realize the irony? He constantly criticizes the likes of Fox News for allegedly spinning the news, yet he does the same by editing clips in a way to benefit his show. So he mocks the problem of which he himself is apart of. Well done, Stewart. you're simply repeating talking points. where'd/who'd you get them from? drudge? town hall? he's much smarter than you give him credit for. he was a graduate from the college of william and mary (ranked 31st best in the usa), and colbert to northwestern (ranked 12th). (btw, gw ranked 51st.) this is a very interesting read, if you're interested. nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/08/why_conservative_pundits_love.htmlso is colbert. i don't think anything he said was idiotic. i think he made some pertinent and rational points. his invitation may have been idiotic, but he did well. the rally isn't for one political party. sure, they're liberal, but it's apolitical. it's about taking the spotlight from radicals on both sides. i guarantee you that there are going to be more independents and unaffiliated people at this rally than at any of the glenn beck or tea party ones. i'd put money on that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2010 14:36:07 GMT -5
i don't see what the point of the rally to restore sanity is, i'm sure there must have been somthing i have missed.
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Post by NYR on Oct 6, 2010 22:45:26 GMT -5
i don't see what the point of the rally to restore sanity is, i'm sure there must have been somthing i have missed. see: glenn beck, sarah palin, carl paladino, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 12:40:13 GMT -5
i don't see what the point of the rally to restore sanity is, i'm sure there must have been somthing i have missed. see: glenn beck, sarah palin, carl paladino, etc. i get that part i just don't see what having a rally is going to do, is it the start of something or is it just that they want an ego boost?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 7, 2010 13:24:13 GMT -5
see: glenn beck, sarah palin, carl paladino, etc. i get that part i just don't see what having a rally is going to do, is it the start of something or is it just that they want an ego boost? Ego boost. Also, Glenn Beck's rally was allegedly apolitical too. I just want to throw that out there. IE, don't be fooled by rhetoric.
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Post by NYR on Oct 7, 2010 23:23:14 GMT -5
i think it's more along the lines of, "you can rally with a lot of people? well, so can we, so piss off!"
l4e, if you think glenn beck's rally was apolitical, you're more blind than helen keller with a blindfold.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 8, 2010 8:34:18 GMT -5
i think it's more along the lines of, "you can rally with a lot of people? well, so can we, so piss off!" l4e, if you think glenn beck's rally was apolitical, you're more blind than helen keller with a blindfold. I don't think Beck's rally was apolitical. But he said it was. Likewise with Colbert/Stewart. I really don't get the hype about them, but whatever.
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Post by NYR on Oct 8, 2010 11:27:45 GMT -5
i think it's more along the lines of, "you can rally with a lot of people? well, so can we, so piss off!" l4e, if you think glenn beck's rally was apolitical, you're more blind than helen keller with a blindfold. I don't think Beck's rally was apolitical. But he said it was. Likewise with Colbert/Stewart. I really don't get the hype about them, but whatever. beck could say it was a jacobite rally for all he wanted. doesn't mean it was true. you don't get the whole deal behind colbert/stewart because you disagree with them, and that's fair enough.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2010 18:57:57 GMT -5
anyone go, and was it any good?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2010 22:34:27 GMT -5
I personally don't get the point of arguing politics anyhow. The average american really has no effect on the political world. Politicians will ultimately do whatever brings them the most money, or fame, or power, or whatever it is that drives them.
None of the rallies do anything other then allow news networks to charge more for advertising, because people feel compelled to pay attention. It means nothing, kinda like the majority of all political votes.
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Post by NYR on Nov 1, 2010 1:44:13 GMT -5
anyone go, and was it any good? i went. it was less of a rally and more of a happening. it wasn't political at all, and the only time someone got serious was jon stewart's speech at the end. even that wasn't political, but rather took on more of a humanist tone. (edit: here's a link to the speech) the crowd estimates were between 215,000 and 250,000 people. i was a little nervous about the types of people i'd encounter there, but wherever i went, people were friendly and pleasant. there was a genuinely good vibe, and everybody felt it. the signs were, on the most part, clever and poignant. plus, it was funny. there was a point where ozzy osbourne and yusuf islam (formerly cat stevens) were trying to sing "crazy train" and "peace train" over each other... at the same time. with the roots as the backing band. it was so brilliantly odd, surreal and funny that salvador dali couldn't have ever thought something like that up. ( here's the link.) (and kitjenson, from what i understand, the live tv feed had no commercial breaks. the tv audience got the same three hour show as the ones who attended the rally.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2010 8:25:40 GMT -5
I wasn't speaking of advertising dollars during the rally, but rather the various news networks who are all seeking the same thing, money. And the news surrounding this rally aided in that pursuit. Thats all.
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Post by eva on Nov 1, 2010 9:49:40 GMT -5
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Post by Iliad ♣ on Nov 1, 2010 13:54:19 GMT -5
I'm a bit bored with American politics right now, and there's nothing good on television. When are you finally going to kick some more ass in the Middle East?
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Post by NYR on Nov 1, 2010 18:18:00 GMT -5
I'm a bit bored with American politics right now, and there's nothing good on television. When are you finally going to kick some more ass in the Middle East? you need to see all the political ads running here. they're really, really dirty and negative. and i thought the swift boaters for truth ads were below the belt... thank god that's all going to end tomorrow. here are some youtube videos of some of the worst, just to show you what we've been dealing with--and what many of us were protesting against at the rally.
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Post by Iliad ♣ on Nov 2, 2010 6:46:43 GMT -5
lol those vids are horrible. People still don't seem to understand that freedom is something you have to achieve yourself. The mind is an instrument you have to use in order to obtain happiness. I don't believe in 'freedom' given by others through democracy and 'freedom' of speech. What does freedom mean if it has to be given to you by someone else? A lot of US politicians still think they need to spread those ideas. I know it may sound strange, but I really do believe that
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 2, 2010 12:11:55 GMT -5
lol those vids are horrible. People still don't seem to understand that freedom is something you have to achieve yourself. The mind is an instrument you have to use in order to obtain happiness. I don't believe in 'freedom' given by others through democracy and 'freedom' of speech. What does freedom mean if it has to be given to you by someone else? A lot of US politicians still think they need to spread those ideas. I know it may sound strange, but I really do believe that Tell that to the people in China, or in N. Korea, or in Iran, or in Putin's (Medved's) Russia. You may not need people to necessarily give you freedom, but you sure as hell need to prevent politicians from preventing you from those freedoms.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 2, 2010 12:14:05 GMT -5
And here are my closing thoughts about last weekend's event (a little bit repetitive from above, but whatever):
It was a bunch of college students who wanted to be entertained for free. It was pointless. Also, Stewart is immersed in irony. He criticizes media, especially Fox News, for taking things out of context but then he himself takes snippets out of context too. So essentially, he is part of the problem that he mocks!
Also, this was clearly a liberal rally, and was clearly a direct counter to Beck. To deny this is absurd. Regardless, he still exacerbates the problem by enforcing the wedge that exists - here be sanity, there (Tea Partiers, etc) be an insane asylum. Hardly unity, is it? And who is he to judge what's sane and what's not? That's beyond pretentious and self-righteous.
It's kind of like Live 8 was in 2005 - It proclaims to have an underlying message, and people may support that message, but the message is lost in the day's free event, and the following day everyone goes back to normal life and forgets about it completely. Utterly useless.
Stewart likes to think he is smarter and more powerful than he really is.
Being in DC, I ultimately refused to go. I'm more angry about the tourists who jam pack the already horrible metro system and who refuse to obey the 'stand right, walk left' practice on the escalators.
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Post by NYR on Nov 2, 2010 22:15:47 GMT -5
And here are my closing thoughts about last weekend's event (a little bit repetitive from above, but whatever): It was a bunch of college students who wanted to be entertained for free. It was pointless. Also, Stewart is immersed in irony. He criticizes media, especially Fox News, for taking things out of context but then he himself takes snippets out of context too. So essentially, he is part of the problem that he mocks! i was surrounded by people of all ages and races. and it was entertaining! i don't know what part of that you don't get about this, but he's a satirist. the media deserve his mocking. in fact, he mocks msnbc as much as he mocks fox. (for good reason, i might add.) i guess you simply don't like him because he makes fun of your guys too. Also, this was clearly a liberal rally, and was clearly a direct counter to Beck. To deny this is absurd. not once did he mention republicans, democrats, independence, or even voting. it wasn't a liberal rally, and to claim such shows complete ignorance of the issues at hand. Regardless, he still exacerbates the problem by enforcing the wedge that exists - here be sanity, there (Tea Partiers, etc) be an insane asylum. Hardly unity, is it? And who is he to judge what's sane and what's not? That's beyond pretentious and self-righteous. he explicitly said in the closing statements that not all tea party members are insane or racists. he compared it to calling all muslims terrorists. it's not true, and is kinda a dig against the racists/terrorists. you know, people who put a lot of effort into being those things.
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