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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 11, 2010 18:47:27 GMT -5
My power was out for most of the day hence the late posting on this topic, and I don't feel like writing much right now, but if this thread develops maybe I'll craft a retrospective later.
However, I do want to say this:
What bothers me the most about the current controversies (Mosque location, Quran burning, etc) is that 9/11, for the past 8 years, has always been about coming together as a nation. Honoring the victims, praising the heroes, and uniting in a patriotic, nationalistic cause in the wake of those who wanted to shatter our humanity and culture. But today, for the first time, it's about a great divide of not only clashing opinions but also cultural differences. This isn't what 9/11 should be about, and it surely isn't what America is about, either. It's a huge shame, and it's exactly what the terrorists themselves want.
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Post by NYR on Sept 11, 2010 20:23:43 GMT -5
+k i agree, l4e. i didn't turn on the news or read the news today. it angers me to no end. these protestors at the memorial service today were there for politics. my question to them is why? why today? have they no shame? is this what our country has become?
i highly, highly disagree with your statement that this day should be about patriotism, though. that's what july 4 is for. leave this day to remember the victims of this terrible, terrible tragedy.
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Post by idledreamer on Sept 11, 2010 23:13:55 GMT -5
My power was out for most of the day hence the late posting on this topic, and I don't feel like writing much right now, but if this thread develops maybe I'll craft a retrospective later. However, I do want to say this: What bothers me the most about the current controversies (Mosque location, Quran burning, etc) is that 9/11, for the past 8 years, has always been about coming together as a nation. Honoring the victims, praising the heroes, and uniting in a patriotic, nationalistic cause in the wake of those who wanted to shatter our humanity and culture. But today, for the first time, it's about a great divide of not only clashing opinions but also cultural differences. This isn't what 9/11 should be about, and it surely isn't what America is about, either. It's a huge shame, and it's exactly what the terrorists themselves want. wow, couldn't have said it better myself.... NEVER forget.
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Post by masterplan200 on Sept 11, 2010 23:21:46 GMT -5
Agreed,quick question: Which church was this pastor a member of,all I keep hearing is Florida
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Post by NYR on Sept 12, 2010 10:15:46 GMT -5
Agreed,quick question: Which church was this pastor a member of,all I keep hearing is Florida some small church made up of 50 people in florida. this was a purely media-created controversy. the guy's name is terry jones, and he's a very naughty boy.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 12, 2010 11:33:48 GMT -5
Agreed,quick question: Which church was this pastor a member of,all I keep hearing is Florida this was a purely media-created controversy. This. A thousand times this.
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Post by Liffonmelsmork on Sept 12, 2010 13:21:13 GMT -5
the guy's name is terry jones, and he's a very naughty boy. O'ho, very good!
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Post by NYR on Sept 12, 2010 13:54:54 GMT -5
this was a purely media-created controversy. This. A thousand times this. so was this so called mosque. it's not even a mosque. it's a community center. it's a muslim ymca or jcc. there are two mosques closeby to the world trade center. in fact, one of them predates the twin towers. and i'm not even mentioning the muslim prayer rooms that were inside one of the twin towers. there has been one in the pentagon for many years, and it's still there. but let's not let these bigots have facts get in their way. it never has before.
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Post by Elias on Sept 12, 2010 15:41:44 GMT -5
As every year that goes by the documentaries which tell stories of the heroism not just of the emergency services but of regular people who started that day simply going out to earn an honest day's pay just gets more humbling. At the same time, the events after that day are making 9/11 even more poignant since people are still being killed indirectly of what happened nine years later. The thousands who lost their lives that day should of course always be remembered, but the hundreds of thousands who've died as a result of that day just makes 9/11 even more tragic, and shows up the self-publicising stories which have marred this year as an absolute disgrace.
A truly horrible day which even now still has people's lives being ended prematurely, and that's what makes the title of this topic, 'Never Forget', even more relevant.
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Post by NYR on Sept 12, 2010 17:33:57 GMT -5
As every year that goes by the documentaries which tell stories of the heroism not just of the emergency services but of regular people who started that day simply going out to earn an honest day's pay just gets more humbling. At the same time, the events after that day are making 9/11 even more poignant since people are still being killed indirectly of what happened nine years later. The thousands who lost their lives that day should of course always be remembered, but the hundreds of thousands who've died as a result of that day just makes 9/11 even more tragic, and shows up the self-publicising stories which have marred this year as an absolute disgrace. A truly horrible day which even now still has people's lives being ended prematurely, and that's what makes the title of this topic, 'Never Forget', even more relevant. my father was one of them. died of lung cancer from 9/11-related complications. for some reason, so many people have forgotten about 9/11. especially those in washington. politicians use it as an empty jingo to scare people into voting for them. at the same time, a recent bill meant to help 9/11 first responders failed about a month or two ago. my frustration and rage goes beyond words.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 12, 2010 19:29:23 GMT -5
The mosque debate is beyond ridiculous. Now I understand why New Yorkers have this view as they were directly affected so it's an emotional issue and emotions aren't rational. But other than that, it makes no sense in so many levels.
In fact, it would even be good for it to be built - it shows the US is tolerant, and accepting.
That being said, if people oppose it, then that's fine too, in a way. We have freedom of expression and people can protest all they want. If the protests lead to a compromise and a different location, that's fine too. However, if not then everyone will have to live with it - and everyone will, this won't be an issue in a few months time. That being said, it shouldn't have been an issue in the first place.
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Post by NYR on Sept 12, 2010 21:31:39 GMT -5
The mosque debate is beyond ridiculous. Now I understand why New Yorkers have this view as they were directly affected so it's an emotional issue and emotions aren't rational. But other than that, it makes no sense in so many levels. In fact, it would even be good for it to be built - it shows the US is tolerant, and accepting. That being said, if people oppose it, then that's fine too, in a way. We have freedom of expression and people can protest all they want. If the protests lead to a compromise and a different location, that's fine too. However, if not then everyone will have to live with it - and everyone will, this won't be an issue in a few months time. That being said, it shouldn't have been an issue in the first place. you're right. the problem is, most of the protesters you've seen aren't new yorkers! living here is expensive... we can't waste our time protesting meaningless shit--we leave that to the nyu kids. these people tell us what to do, and play the 9/11 card like THEY were the ones affected by it, not us. they didn't live in a constant state of panic like we did. they didn't have to breathe the air we had to breathe for weeks after. but what do we know? we're not "real americans." in closing, to these assholes... shut the fuck up and stop blocking the sidewalk. and no, that building to your left isn't the empire state building. that's a condo.
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Post by craigfairlie on Sept 18, 2010 4:27:22 GMT -5
Never Ever Forget.
I went to Ground Zero whilst in NYC at the end of July. I went into St Peter's Chruch before viewing the site itself. Without wanting to sound disrespectful (That's the last thing i want to do).The site itself wasn't as emotional as it should be because i went to the church first,That was by far the most emotional moment of my life. Seeing pictures and drawings from children or family who had lost family memebers.It was so emotional.
I'm totally against the mosque at the site.
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