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Post by matt on Jan 31, 2010 9:58:48 GMT -5
Now I admit it, I've never been a huge fan of this tune. To me, it's a good track, but good is all it is.
The lyrics are also pretty silly - 'down the hall/cannonball' - and it always seems to be one of the Oasis tracks those snobs use as an example of why Oasis are rubbish, which is frustrating because they've done so much better in my opinion.
All I'm saying is it's no Slide Away that's for sure. I wish Slide Away were as popular as Champagne Supernova to show everyone why they are so great, so I could go 'that's why I'm a fan of Oasis'.
Does anyone else share this opinion on Champagne Supernova, or is it just me?
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jan 31, 2010 10:56:38 GMT -5
I agree. I'd say the same about Don't Look Back In Anger as well - good song but not great - and I personally think Wonderwall is average.
Considering it wasn't a single though its amazing how popular the song is, fair play.
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Post by LlAM on Jan 31, 2010 11:20:14 GMT -5
Champagne Supernova was brilliant because it makes people want to stand arm in arm and sing along - an "anthem" if you will. The "How many special people change/How many lives are living strange" line is very simple and effective. Noel was good at composing these kind of lyrics/lines up untill 1998.
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Post by putthisin ® on Jan 31, 2010 11:21:54 GMT -5
Champagne Supernova is like a longer electric wonderwall.
Better though
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Post by Soldier Ron on Jan 31, 2010 11:26:11 GMT -5
Well I'll be the first to disagree.
Yes (like about 99.9% of all pop songs) the lyrics are lame, Noel himself said there's no meaning behind them, it was just 'using the voice as another instrument'. But, the 'where we you while we were getting high' hookline (and Liam's beautifully judged vocal performance) evokes the sense of loss and melancholy, the sad-happy dichotomy which makes Slide Away equally as tremendous.
If there was ever one thing Liam did for Noel's songs it was to put them over with an irresistible, forceful conviction. Liam believed those lyrics snd his vocals forced you to believe whatever nonsense Noel had cobbled together from a half drunk/stoned mental state just as passionately after hearing him sing. There's hardly a poor Liam vocal on any song on the first 3 Oasis albums, but surely CS is in the top drawer of truly stunning and sublime performances.
Apart from the lyrics, it's a stupendous recording, I'd heard the majority of the songs on the radio before the release day of MG, Roll With It had been a single and Some Might Say had been out since May 1995, but I hadn't heard CS and, not accustomed to long epics, this song seemed otherworldly in its arrangement, in the use of the e-bow, tuneful feedback, harmonised double tracked guitar riffs, the calm quiet-verse and thrilling loud-chorus bits.
In terms of musical ingenuity, the open A chord on the guitar with the descending bottom E string through the verse, I've never found another song that uses this sequence to the same wondrous effect.
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Post by Gazza316 on Jan 31, 2010 13:35:34 GMT -5
I love it, best song ever.
The Budokan version is immense.
once again each to their own but for me CS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SA
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Post by eva on Jan 31, 2010 13:37:52 GMT -5
to me CS is an epic song and like Gazza said, live in Budokan gives you chills. truly fantastic.
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Post by kingoasis on Jan 31, 2010 14:20:54 GMT -5
you're off your heads the lot of you
CS IS GREAT
The reason why it's a great song is because it hase everything, great guitar solo, great singing, and great lryics
the bit regarding "Slowly walking down the hall, Faster than a cannonball" is referencing drugs (again)
you people need to get a grip and get to know your OASIS
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Post by bwilder on Jan 31, 2010 17:02:01 GMT -5
A song about escapism in all it's epic glory. My favorite song of all time.
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Post by supernovadragon on Jan 31, 2010 17:57:06 GMT -5
Mine too!
I just can't discribe how happy I am whenever it comes on my ipod. It is just THE best song Oasis has done (either that or Live Forever) and I just can't explain it. It's the feeling
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Post by Lectronic on Jan 31, 2010 18:00:42 GMT -5
Champagne Supernova is amazing, definitely up there among my favourite Oasis songs. Doesn't matter to me if the lyrics don't make sense, it just has so much energy in it. The buildup all the way to the breakdown, which is just a massive wall of sound. I couldn't name a bigger anthem if I wanted to
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 31, 2010 19:18:15 GMT -5
CS is so good like a dream landscape, it even doesn't seems to have 7 minutes.
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Post by LSF on Jan 31, 2010 19:27:57 GMT -5
One of the top 5 songs ever.
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Post by AKA... Frozen Eggroll on Jan 31, 2010 20:10:31 GMT -5
One of the best songs ever. It's Oasis' "Hey Jude" if you will.
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Jan 31, 2010 21:22:26 GMT -5
i agree with the OP. i gotta be in the right mood for CS, i don't see the greatness. and I definitely think the recorded version beats any live version. i get that the live version is more psychedelic, in your face, i just think the dynamics of the studio version are more subtle.
the lyrics are silly, but oasis never were all about amazing lyrics were they? maybe a good couplet every now and then but for the most part just a bunch of simple end rhyme with semi-logical lyrics in place. vaguely life affirming lyrics and there ya go.
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Post by seanzie on Jan 31, 2010 21:52:26 GMT -5
Great song. Melodic solos, including probably the greatest solo in Oasis history (played by Paul Weller haha). The prototypical Oasis wall of sound with so many moving pieces. The buildup to the climax (which almost all music lacks nowadays) is epic. The singing of Liam perfectly compliments the mood of the song, from it's melancholy, half-baked start to the forceful, desperate climax. I actually think the lyrics are brilliant. They are vague but they seem to be about being overwhelmed to the point of exhaustion but still holding onto a tinge of hope that everything will be okay.
It's a great song with the feel of an anthem. The lyrics are simple, but memorable. Everyone who's ever heard that song can recite the chorus.
Champagne Supernova, Wonderwall, Don't Look Back In Anger, Live Forever, and The Masterplan will define Noel's songwriting prowess for the rest of eternity.
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Post by bwilder on Jan 31, 2010 23:25:05 GMT -5
The sound of that song, the melody- it just transports to another place, another world. It's the ultimate "ride" song, of you will. Starts slowly, then builds up, then explodes and then comes back down. And I LOVE the lyrics. "Slowly walking down the hall/Faster than a cannonball..." As Oasis biographer Paolo Hewitt said, "If those lyrics don't make sense to you, you've never been on drugs." Well-said, Paolo.
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Post by Soldier Ron on Feb 1, 2010 6:04:41 GMT -5
As an interesting sidenote, the phrase "and you walked, slowly, down the hall" occurs in The Supremes 1971 classic 'Nathan Jones'.
At 0:33 in the above vid.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 1, 2010 23:16:21 GMT -5
If you have to question why CS is great then you are already lost.
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Post by putthisin ® on Feb 2, 2010 5:40:18 GMT -5
Picture yourself after taking drugs. You bump into walls, fall on the ground, etc. But in your head you are moving really fast - this is what I imagine was Noel's intention when wrote this line
Not that I know much about it
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Post by LlAM on Feb 2, 2010 6:17:18 GMT -5
Picture yourself after taking drugs. You bump into wall, fall on the ground, etc. But in your head you are moving really fast - this is what I imagine was Noel's intention when wrote this line Not that I know much about it Or the feeling of running in water
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Post by dpr on Feb 2, 2010 6:21:46 GMT -5
I've always wondered this; i know that weller played the solo and lead guitar on champagne supernova but who wrote the solo and all the guitar parts on the song? was it noel or did weller come up with the guitar solo as well?
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Post by rodders999 on Feb 2, 2010 8:22:34 GMT -5
Did Noel ever do a CS acoustic?? (besides the one that made Bonehead cry!!)
I'd LOVE to hear it if he did.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Feb 2, 2010 13:17:27 GMT -5
i agree with the OP. i gotta be in the right mood for CS, i don't see the greatness. and I definitely think the recorded version beats any live version. i get that the live version is more psychedelic, in your face, i just think the dynamics of the studio version are more subtle. the lyrics are silly, but oasis never were all about amazing lyrics were they? maybe a good couplet every now and then but for the most part just a bunch of simple end rhyme with semi-logical lyrics in place. vaguely life affirming lyrics and there ya go. I think the DOYS tour live version is excellent, but I've always been disappointed with Champagne Supernova live before that. It just seemed to lack something that the recorded version had. On a similar subject, the instrumental and arrangements (not sure if those are the right words as I'm not technically minded) on all songs on the DOYS tour songs seemed to be the best in a long time, it was only the lack of variation and vocals that let the tour down.
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Post by Soldier Ron on Feb 2, 2010 13:29:23 GMT -5
I've always wondered this; i know that weller played the solo and lead guitar on champagne supernova but who wrote the solo and all the guitar parts on the song? was it noel or did weller come up with the guitar solo as well? I might be wrong but I've always been under the impression that Noel plays all the guitar parts apart from the lead guitar solo which Paul Weller plays that PW wrote himself. Noel kicks off the guitar solo at 4:33 with some nice lines, then Weller arrives at 4:46. After this point, Weller's solo is preferred and mixed higher on the album while Noel's continues his part in the background. There's a fan remix done from the 5.1 SACD floating around the 'net of CS where Noel's solo is mixed up front and Weller's is in the background. Noel's solo, pretty much the same one he played live throughout the 1995-98 concerts with a few minor variations, may be less flashy and virtuosic but it's far catchier and hookier (and thus far superior) than Weller's IMO.
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