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Post by jameshammond on Jul 15, 2006 8:18:30 GMT -5
I have been playing for two years now and im sick of my shitty acoustic and cheap squire stratocaster. Ive really fell for the look of the Gibson ES335 / Epiphone Casino style and the sound of such guitars would suit my playing. However, being a lefty, i have few buying options. The best price for a left handed Casino on the net is 520 pounds. The ES335 is considerably more expensive, and im two weeks away from having the funds for the Casino. What i would like to know is this - is the Casino an overpriced guitar that is merely a posh copy of a ES335, or is it really worth splashing that sort of money on it. Ive played one before and really liked it, however i have played only about 5 guitars so have little to compare it with. Any help at all would be appreciated. I came across these two links while searching... ES335 - cgi.ebay.com/1992-Lefty-left-handed-Gibson-ES-335-Custom-Shop_W0QQitemZ230007726458QQihZ013QQcategoryZ38085QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemCasino - www.guitarampkeyboard.com/options.php?id=3002Thanks for any advice that can be offered
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2006 16:05:10 GMT -5
Hard to say! I would go with the Casino, personally, just because The Beatles used it, and Oasis still uses it, so it must be pretty damn good.
Did you try the Casino out yet, or just the ES335?
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Post by derkum on Jul 15, 2006 19:31:38 GMT -5
Indeed. I would suggest that you go to a local guitar shop and try out a variety of guitars. Don't just think Gibson.... if you like the look and feel, but not necessarily the weight of a Casino/Lucille style guitar, try looking at Gretsch. They have a wonderful look, sound, and feel to them...and the Beatles (mainly Paul & John), U2 (Bono & Edge), Jack White, AND Oasis (Noel & Gem) have played them.
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Post by jameshammond on Jul 16, 2006 7:06:07 GMT -5
Thanks fellas. I havent played an ES-335, just a Casino. However, ive been looking and i certainly cant afford the Gibson. Im just a bit worried that im paying over the knocker for the Casino. It is a good / respectable guitar right?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2006 16:49:40 GMT -5
Well, The Beatles and Oasis used it didn't they? Certainly is respectable, not to mention it's a beauty.
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Post by gazplayford on Jul 17, 2006 3:45:46 GMT -5
Go for the dot man, Noels used a casino like once and uses the dot (well the Gibson 335 version) all the time if thats what gets you going
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Post by novascotialad on Jul 17, 2006 9:45:40 GMT -5
noel has never used the dot... cmon now.
i'd go with an epiphone sheraton (has headstock through body binding)... or the epiphone riviera (with the frequensator tailpiece)
these guitars can usually always be purchased for a lot less than the advertised or book price... you just gotta find your bollocks and tell the dealer whats up.
ps. the riviera with the new york mini humbuckers sounds absolutely amazing.. and i have a sheraton and love it to bits. i bought the guitar new in the summer of 2000 and have had no problems with it whatsoever....
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Post by gazplayford on Jul 18, 2006 3:22:48 GMT -5
The guitar that Noel ALWAYS uses ie. uses on the HC. tour and the DBTT tours, as well as 10 years.. and glasto and the guitar that his Superova was based on (plus i think the guitar he used at Earls Court, not sure bout the rest of the tour) were all Gibson 335s or the Epiphone version of which is a DOT. If you want to get the couple of grand gibson versions like he uses now then fair enough, just thought you would want the cheaper version of the guitar that he DOES use
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Post by novascotialad on Jul 18, 2006 9:11:08 GMT -5
hes never used a "Dot" end of story
find one pic where his guitar has dots on the fingerboard. all those epiphone he has used are either sheratons or rivieras. dont waste my time.
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 18, 2006 20:15:11 GMT -5
first of all... don't buy on ebay. you don't really know what you're getting. secondly, the gibson es 335 is much more expensive than an epiphone casino.
the best suggestion is for you to buy a buyers guide. guitar world definitely has the best one.
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Post by gazplayford on Jul 19, 2006 3:23:52 GMT -5
Um... no theyre not
The older versions of the Gibson ES 335 did not have "dots" on the necks The guitar he uses has different versions of the humbucker-type pick ups that you have on a riviera, and just for the icing most have different tail pieces to the riviera
Plus you can still get custom Gibson 335s without dots on the neck, or with the added tremolo that he sometimes has
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 22, 2006 23:35:21 GMT -5
epiphone makes good cheap versions of the 335 that i highly suggest. the main difference is that it wasn't made in america and it was mostly made by machines. also, some asian guitars (including epiphone and squier) have become so good over the past few years that if you had not seen the logo(s) on the guitars, you might not know the difference between a squier and a fender (or epi and gibson)
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Post by Clint on Jul 28, 2006 3:21:55 GMT -5
Note: The Casino Lennon and Noel used costs upward of 2000 dollars. The one they sell for circa 400 dollars is of lesser quality. But I've played one, and I want to buy one anyway. Buy the Casino man, try it out first. I have a shitty imitation Stratocaster that I'm sick of. It's made by a company called drive. It has a Sean Lennon s ignature, but it has a few nicks in the top of it. I don't really care since its a piece of shit. I'll put the pick guard on a proper stratocaster someday. I just bought a slim electric / acoustic guitar. I love it!!! My next purcahse will be the lower end Epiphone Casino, not the one lennon used. And The difference between Fender and Squier I'd say is much bigger than that between The Gibson brands and the Epiphone brands. Please don't think, guys, that Epiphone is a "cheap" company. Yes their imitations of Gibson models aren't as quality, but their own guitars are amazing
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Post by gazplayford on Jul 28, 2006 5:05:34 GMT -5
totally agree on the squire compared to epiphone thing
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Post by gibsonsg on Aug 7, 2006 18:35:01 GMT -5
Ye, i personally love Gibsons, but cant afford them, so ive got an Epiphone Joe pass. I played both the Casino , ES 335 and Sheraton, but the joe pass felt the best and looks great to. The difference mostly between the Epiphone and Gibson range is the mix of wood. E.g The Gibson Les Paul is Mohogany/maple, while the Epiphone Les Paul Mahogany/Alder. But some Epiphone Guitars even use the exact same wood as Gibsons.
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Aug 8, 2006 2:39:07 GMT -5
noel has never used the dot... cmon now. i'd go with an epiphone sheraton (has headstock through body binding)... or the epiphone riviera (with the frequensator tailpiece) these guitars can usually always be purchased for a lot less than the advertised or book price... you just gotta find your bollocks and tell the dealer whats up. ps. the riviera with the new york mini humbuckers sounds absolutely amazing.. and i have a sheraton and love it to bits. i bought the guitar new in the summer of 2000 and have had no problems with it whatsoever.... I agree with what you're saying about the sheraton II and the riviera. If you really need that oasis sound those are your guitars. If you get the Sherry, you have to upgrade the pickups to classic '57s, but it's still great even if you don't. I have one like that. I love it. DO NOT get a casino. They are not shit, but they aren't the best rock n roll guitars around. Also - Epiphone vs Gibson - If you can afford and es 335 go for it, but if not a sherry or a riviera with a couple upgrades is just as good for hundreds less. Oh, and get a good amp.
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Aug 8, 2006 2:43:23 GMT -5
The guitar that Noel ALWAYS uses ie. uses on the HC. tour and the DBTT tours, as well as 10 years.. and glasto and the guitar that his Superova was based on (plus i think the guitar he used at Earls Court, not sure bout the rest of the tour) were all Gibson 335s or the Epiphone version of which is a DOT. If you want to get the couple of grand gibson versions like he uses now then fair enough, just thought you would want the cheaper version of the guitar that he DOES use at earls court he used a riviera
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Aug 8, 2006 2:44:43 GMT -5
hes never used a "Dot" end of story find one pic where his guitar has dots on the fingerboard. all those epiphone he has used are either sheratons or rivieras. dont waste my time. also, noel has never used a true sheraton....just custom guitars with sheraton headstocks
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Post by MSprague01 on Aug 8, 2006 10:44:12 GMT -5
hes never used a "Dot" end of story find one pic where his guitar has dots on the fingerboard. all those epiphone he has used are either sheratons or rivieras. dont waste my time. also, noel has never used a true sheraton....just custom guitars with sheraton headstocks Actually, he has used sheratons. The Union Jack guitar is a 1960's sheraton with a custom paint job. The guitar he played at Knebworth and on a lot of the Be Here Now tour was also a 1960's sheraton.
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Aug 8, 2006 11:19:45 GMT -5
also, noel has never used a true sheraton....just custom guitars with sheraton headstocks Actually, he has used sheratons. The Union Jack guitar is a 1960's sheraton with a custom paint job. The guitar he played at Knebworth and on a lot of the Be Here Now tour was also a 1960's sheraton. The union jack is a riviera with a sheraton headstock I think. It is a custom guitar as I said. The BHN tour guitars are the same thing, custom made riviera body with sheraton head. The only difference was the paint job and a couple custom modifications I couldn't pick out. I do believe the pickups were different in the BHN tour guitars (the union jacks were classic '57s). Where did you hear that they were 1960s sheratons? Also, this argument is really stupid considering the riviera and sheraton bodies are ver similar.
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Aug 12, 2006 19:09:19 GMT -5
Go for the dot man, Noels used a casino like once and uses the dot (well the Gibson 335 version) all the time if thats what gets you going The Dot, regardless of whether or not you can support your claim of Noel playing live on one, is a hunk of rubbish. The hardware, pickups, bridge, and body all just sound awful. The Ep[iphone Casino is a fantastic guitar... but it'll give you nasty feedback pretty easily because it's more hollow than a Sheraton or Riviera..... Both of THOSE guitars are amazing... I have a Riviera and I love it to death. I get compliments on it at many shows I've played.
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Post by gazplayford on Aug 19, 2006 18:28:39 GMT -5
Casinos a bit big man, unless thats what floats your boat Goin off gibson/epiphone myself, cant move around with them enough for me, more for the Noelly G's out there, not that thats a bad thing
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Post by keeso on Nov 29, 2006 10:42:00 GMT -5
The Epiphone Elitist Casino (Japanese-made) is a good compromise between the John Lennon Casino (Which I own and love) and the Korean-made Casino. I think the Elitist goes for about $900 - $1000.
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Post by Jeff25 on Nov 29, 2006 16:39:05 GMT -5
The best thing to do is to head to your local shop and try a few out. But don't completely dismiss Ebay. I bought a used Sheraton II, lefty by the way, and saved a couple of hundreds of dollars. It did need a little work, but was still worth it. I also got a Takamine acoustic/electric from a seller on Ebay for half the usual price. The key to guitar shopping on Ebay is to do your research. Check out the person's feedback. Also, look for guitar shops that run "Ebay" stores. Good luck in the search and when you're rich and famous, you can buy all of us Casinos. (Lefty-Sunburst, please)
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