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Post by The Invisible Sun on Aug 29, 2014 16:05:57 GMT -5
I thought the Manchester gig from 2005 they showed on tv last week was alright. Manchester 2005 was a great gig. Everyone on form there. Turn Up The Sun and Live Forever are really great performances.
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Post by freddy838 on Aug 30, 2014 7:55:55 GMT -5
Those 05 gigs I think there was genuinely something medically wrong with him, there's a dreadful Argentinian one as well. He doesn't even sound human there. I think since then he has put in some good performances but he has to put the effort in which he has never, ever been professional about. In those acoustic gigs he did he was sat down and singing looking a little bit downward rather than leaning with his neck bent backwards when he's at a full gig and he seemed to have much more control and sounded very good. I think his voice in general is less easy on the ear though even at its best.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Sept 21, 2014 5:56:35 GMT -5
His voice is shit now blah blah blah. I think it is, too. However it isn't permanent, which is important. Listen to him Cigs and Alcohol in the 2005 clip on page two, compared to him singing it at the iTunes festival in 2009. The one from 2009 could easily have been taken from the 90's, it's phenomenal. This was also when he started jogging and quit smoking (for about 5 minutes). When he wants to be, he is a fantastic singer. He needs to work on it, start drinking green tea and all the shite. IF Oasis were to reunite, I think Liam's voice would be a factor; I think Noel would have to have a word with him and tell him to sort it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 7:32:11 GMT -5
His voice is shit now blah blah blah. I think it is, too. However it isn't permanent, which is important. Listen to him Cigs and Alcohol in the 2005 clip on page two, compared to him singing it at the iTunes festival in 2009. The one from 2009 could easily have been taken from the 90's, it's phenomenal. This was also when he started jogging and quit smoking (for about 5 minutes). When he wants to be, he is a fantastic singer. He needs to work on it, start drinking green tea and all the shite. IF Oasis were to reunite, I think Liam's voice would be a factor; I think Noel would have to have a word with him and tell him to sort it[/quote Agreed on all counts except gone are days Noel can be batman to Liams Robin , that would ruin the reunion LIAM will no longer be told what to do , if it happens it has to be 50/50 or the same shit happens cancelled gigs , mark my words , LIAM isn't a kid anymore he won't deal whether noel is right or not imo
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 7:36:10 GMT -5
Sorry for typing in quote my ipad is jacked
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Post by allingoodtime on Sept 22, 2014 7:27:18 GMT -5
I dont think Liam can really change his voice much. I dont think surgeries exist where he can get his voice even back to how it was in 08 or 05. The damage is done, what he can do is preserve the voice he has instead of destroying it any more
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 22, 2014 11:20:14 GMT -5
If he take some singing lessons, warm up his voice before gigs and also don't drinking or smoking either before or during the gigs, he voice can still have a chance to sound at least like what he used to sound in the year 2000, it all depends on him.
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Post by allingoodtime on Sept 26, 2014 2:10:57 GMT -5
If he take some singing lessons, warm up his voice before gigs and also don't drinking or smoking either before or during the gigs, he voice can still have a chance to sound at least like what he used to sound in the year 2000, it all depends on him. 2000? thats 14 years of damage..no f*ucking way The most I can see is going back to maybe 09
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 22:19:07 GMT -5
I refuse to sit here and analyze Liams voice. I think its smoking and being on long tours which made him sound bad. And cocaine too - can effect it, whether he uses that still or not, I do not know but it can have an effect.
Basically, as you age a bit if you want to sing the right notes you have to prepare for a tour - a bit like running a marathon I guess. So its a health and lifestyle thing really, but perhaps its smoking the effect it has on your lungs makes you out of breath.
I have no problem with his voice mostly, my problem is he hasn't developed into a better singer probably because of cigarettes, drugs and alcohol - but its obvious his best years for singing was 1995.
2005 was awful and 2006 and recently he's become more whiny. 2000 sometimes he sounded good but also at times terribly rough.
Recently he has become with Beady Eye more shouty. Maybe its singing over the concert audience and sound of the band that is the problem. Noel said he used to try and sing literally to the person at the back of the venue.
I wonder if Liam does that too?
Anyway, my opinion is if no one commented on this for 10 years, then it can't of been that bigger problem.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 14, 2015 22:22:39 GMT -5
I refuse to sit here and analyze Liams voice. I think its smoking and being on long tours which made him sound bad. And cocaine too - can effect it, whether he uses that still or not, I do not know but it can have an effect. Basically, as you age a bit if you want to sing the right notes you have to prepare for a tour - a bit like running a marathon I guess. So its a health and lifestyle thing really, but perhaps its smoking the effect it has on your lungs makes you out of breath. I have no problem with his voice mostly, my problem is he hasn't developed into a better singer probably because of cigarettes, drugs and alcohol - but its obvious his best years for singing was 1995. 2005 was awful and 2006 and recently he's become more whiny. 2000 sometimes he sounded good but also at times terribly rough. Recently he has become with Beady Eye more shouty. Maybe its singing over the concert audience and sound of the band that is the problem. Noel said he used to try and sing literally to the person at the back of the venue. I wonder if Liam does that too? Anyway, my opinion is if no one commented on this for 10 years, then it can't of been that bigger problem. People/fans/media have been commenting on Liam's voice for over a decade.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 23:58:26 GMT -5
I meant on the forum. I don't give a damn about the media do I, I am a huge David Icke nutta.
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Post by Thomas on Mar 15, 2015 0:08:09 GMT -5
I think there's not much to do with his lifestyle (smoking, drinking, taking drugs etc). Of course this may affect his vocal abilities, but not in a large scale I'd say. The major problems were: 1- the "arms behind the back" thing, that fucked up his vocal chords due to bad posture and 2- the fact that Liam don't sing with the diafragma (he sing with his throat). He doesn't have any singing technique and with time this began to fuck up his vocal chords too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 0:50:45 GMT -5
Its just age. And I think he tries to sing so loud he can hear himself over the actual band and audience. Its a matter of ageing and smoking/cocaine, the two combined.
There is no other singer like him so we let him off, but its just a matter of looking after your voice more. Resting your vocal muscles. Especially as you sing more gigs in a row. Singing on a sore throat can make it difficult to recover quickly and sound alright. Maybe that is what the real problem is.
But there is no doubt his best vocal performance was Earls Court.
I am not really one for vocal warm ups, your vocals warm up as you sing.
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Post by space75gr on Mar 15, 2015 8:34:44 GMT -5
when i hear Liam from studio releases , he's perfect. when i hear Liam in gigs, i have an amazing time. when i hear Liam in youtube/clips, some of them i like , some of them i dont, but at least that's the meaning of a real rock n roll band, thats real. even at his worst, oasis didnt have any problem to fill a stadium. the real problem with late oasis was the tunes , not the vocalstoo many x-factor/the voice programmes can kill the true spirit of rock n roll.if you dont like liam's vocals i m sure you are gonna find a lot to like in the charts...
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 15, 2015 8:48:21 GMT -5
*Laughs*
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 15, 2015 9:47:18 GMT -5
I meant on the forum. I don't give a damn about the media do I, I am a huge David Icke nutta. This forums has been debating Liam's voice for over a decade. Many many threads on it.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Mar 15, 2015 10:05:14 GMT -5
Why?
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Post by glider on Mar 15, 2015 10:07:14 GMT -5
I love how Kalas started this thread almost 11 years ago and last April he responded to it again in his mood. Amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 15:00:30 GMT -5
I've heard a lot said about Top of the Pops, but Top of the Pops was so horrible.. TFI Friday was much better for bands, and its coming back, at least for one show on June 20th. Can't wait, but I wonder who will on it? Not the Arctic Monkeys, heaven help me!
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Post by NYR on Mar 16, 2015 11:51:16 GMT -5
nice things make your voice gets worse. coke and booze...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Also, you know, not practicing, warming up his voice, or attending sound check… and don't get me started on his stance while singing! The voice is an instrument. You have to take good care of it if you want it to last. Liam only has himself to blame for the erosion of his voice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 14:21:18 GMT -5
I doubt not attending Soundcheck effected his voice to much. I see warming up your voice as wearing it out.
People who use vocal techniques come off sounding like they are trying to sing a musical. I think its the cocaine, that has effected his voice, and smoking, but mostly cocaine - notice since 2008 he has never sounded as bad as in 2005/2006 or even as rough as 2002.
That is because he has given drugs the boot, and probably cut back on smoking, as well. On the 2005/2006 tour he was smoking like a train, that is why his voice wore out something terrible, he sounded like a steam train desperate for coal on the fire.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 0:51:15 GMT -5
Well this is the best I've heard him for a while.
And here he is, at his not so best.....lol.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Mar 24, 2015 15:36:45 GMT -5
he's hit and miss live but delivers when needed
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 17:25:19 GMT -5
He always sounds good after a break. Like when Beady Eye first did those acoustic sessions, he sounded amazing. 6 months later it's same old pulling away from the mic Kermit the frog.
When he did My Generation with The Who a few months back he sounded fantastic again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 18:12:40 GMT -5
Its also the mood he is in. If your going through the motions you just go "ah forget it I'm just going to shout my way through this"...when he started he said he didn't think he could sing anyway, he was more interested in taking drugs, pinching clothes and stealing lawn mowers..haha.
Got to love Manchester. Its the Lawn Mower pinching capital of the World.
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