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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 22, 2009 12:40:29 GMT -5
I whole heatedly agree with the premise here -- -- Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails January 16, 2009 BEGIN TRANSCRIPT RUSH: I got a request here from a major American print publication. "Dear Rush: For the Obama [Immaculate] Inauguration we are asking a handful of very prominent politicians, statesmen, scholars, businessmen, commentators, and economists to write 400 words on their hope for the Obama presidency. We would love to include you. If you could send us 400 words on your hope for the Obama presidency, we need it by Monday night, that would be ideal." Now, we're caught in this trap again. The premise is, what is your "hope." My hope, and please understand me when I say this. I disagree fervently with the people on our side of the aisle who have caved and who say, "Well, I hope he succeeds. We've got to give him a chance." Why? They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed. If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down. And I would be encouraging Republicans to lay down and support him. Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care. I do not want the government in charge of all of these things. I don't want this to work. So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails." (interruption) What are you laughing at? See, here's the point. Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, "Oh, you can't do that." Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails." Somebody's gotta say it. Were the liberals out there hoping Bush succeeded or were they out there trying to destroy him before he was even inaugurated? Why do we have to play the game by their rules? Why do we have to accept the premise here that because of the historical nature of his presidency, that we want him to succeed? This is affirmative action, if we do that. We want to promote failure, we want to promote incompetence, we want to stand by and not object to what he's doing simply because of the color of his skin? Sorry. I got past the historical nature of this months ago. He is the president of the United States, he's my president, he's a human being, and his ideas and policies are what count for me, not his skin color, not his past, not whatever ties he doesn't have to being down with the struggle, all of that's irrelevant to me. We're talking about my country, the United States of America, my nieces, my nephews, your kids, your grandkids. Why in the world do we want to saddle them with more liberalism and socialism? Why would I want to do that? So I can answer it, four words, "I hope he fails." And that would be the most outrageous thing anybody in this climate could say. Shows you just how far gone we are. Well, I know, I know. I am the last man standing. I'm happy to be the last man standing. I'm honored to be the last man standing. Yeah, I'm the true maverick. I can do more than four words. I could say I hope he fails and I could do a brief explanation of why. You know, I want to win. If my party doesn't, I do. If my party has sacrificed the whole concept of victory, sorry, I'm now the Republican in name only, and they are the sellouts. I'm serious about this. Why in the world, it's what Ann Coulter was talking about, the tyranny of the majority, all these victims here, we gotta make sure the victims are finally assuaged. Well, the dirty little secret is this isn't going to assuage anybody's victim status, and the race industry isn't going to go away, and the fact that America's original sin of slavery is going to be absolved, it's not going to happen. Just isn't, folks. It's too big a business for the left to keep all those things alive that divide the people of this country into groups that are against each other. Yes, I'm fired up about this. Reasons number 249 and 50 why I'm not a Republican. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel has been chosen to introduce Vice-President-elect Biden at a bipartisan dinner in Washington on the eve of the immaculation. Biden was one of Hagel's closest friends in the Senate. "Bipartisan dinners also held that night honoring McCain and Colin Powell. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina will introduce McCain at a dinner." So all these Republicans are being honored on the night before Obama is immaculately inaugurated, as though they're part of the Obama administration. Our presidential candidate is being honored. I can understand liberals honoring their losers, but I just -- (tearing up story) BREAK TRANSCRIPT Ron Brownstein, National Journal, used to be the Los Angeles Times, on PMSNBC this afternoon with Andrea Mitchell, NBC News, Washington, she said, "Ronald Brownstein, you've written about the blue wall and the politics of this, what Democrats have been able to achieve in the last election. Obama is right there in Ohio, which is one of the critical states." BROWNSTEIN: Democrats have now won, Andrea, 18 states for at least the last five elections consecutively, plus the District of Columbia, 248 Electoral College votes. They haven't won that many states over that long a period since Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman. They also now hold, if Franken maintains his lead, 33 of the 36 Senate seats in those 18 states, over two-thirds of the House seats, two-thirds of the governorships. They have built their strongest Electoral College base since the days of Roosevelt and Truman, and that is an important foundation for Obama. It's going to be very difficult for Republicans, I think, to systematically challenge Obama and the Democrats over time if this much of the country is virtually off-limits for them. RUSH: The Democrats own the country. There's nothing anybody can do to stop it. We should just lay down and accept it. END TRANSCRIPT www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125113.guest.html
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 22, 2009 12:55:01 GMT -5
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Post by webm@ster on Jan 22, 2009 14:16:32 GMT -5
I whole heatedly agree with the premise here -- I'm confused , are you kidding or joking or .....I give up.
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Post by NYR on Jan 22, 2009 14:22:35 GMT -5
you want obama to fail, you want the country to fail.
and anybody who promotes ann coulter ought to be strangled in front of his/her children. had to add that in there.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 22, 2009 15:49:44 GMT -5
you want obama to fail, you want the country to fail. I said I agreed with his premise; not everything word-for-word. I want the country to be successful so I can get a job and a house, etc. I want our image restored around the world too. But at the same time, I don't want socialist policies, and if he starts imposing the liberal socialist regime he's been threatening to do, then I want him to fail just enough to give the Republicans a chance in 2012. and anybody who promotes ann coulter ought to be strangled in front of his/her children. had to add that in there.
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Post by AbbeyR0ad on Jan 22, 2009 16:11:48 GMT -5
as much as some of us on here fucking despised GW, none of us wanted him to fail. we didn't want him to fuck the middle east over and us back home as well.
he just couldn't help it.
i want you to fail.
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Post by caro on Jan 22, 2009 16:20:56 GMT -5
I certainly don't want Obama to screw up eventhough I'm skeptic! I can tell that this: "the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care" would fail especially in a huge country like the US. Even in France we came back from this dumb process because it's basically unsustainable and now the consequences that the French people are living with are pretty nasty. So my hope is that this won't happen, that he will be surrounded by good counsel that will be able to change some of his most extreme views. Uh, wait and see...
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Post by Elias on Jan 22, 2009 16:48:49 GMT -5
you want obama to fail, you want the country to fail. I'm not sure you know. Based on his views of Bush, failure must amount to stabalising the economy, creating jobs and making the US a better guardian of the world as still the main superpower, thus making the US itself a safer and more peaceful country. I mean, the gospel according to live4evr tells us that Bush was a complete success in doing the exact opposite of the above, so here's hoping Obama is a total failure!
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Post by Poshbird05 on Jan 22, 2009 16:56:40 GMT -5
I said I agreed with his premise; not everything word-for-word. I want the country to be successful so I can get a job and a house, etc. I want our image restored around the world too. But at the same time, I don't want socialist policies, and if he starts imposing the liberal socialist regime he's been threatening to do, then I want him to fail just enough to give the Republicans a chance in 2012. This is what's wrong with politics you want this man to fail so that any person who calls himself a republican can be in power. But, you can't have your cake and eat it too, if the country is successful then Obama is successful, it doesn't matter if his agendas fail, the President is a leader first and a policy maker after that.
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Post by Guigs on Jan 23, 2009 0:05:41 GMT -5
Quoting Rush Limbaugh? Why even bother with a reply.
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Post by Moorish on Jan 23, 2009 8:49:38 GMT -5
L4E, the utterly moronic title of this thread, plus quoting Rush Limbaugh of all people, only further cements you as the biggest twat on this forum.
Hope those sour grapes are still going down nicely.
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Post by NYR on Jan 23, 2009 9:41:02 GMT -5
i find it hilarious that people like rush limbaugh and the fox news-ers are saying obama didn't say the oath correctly, and that we should follow the constitution. since when have they cared about the constitution???
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 23, 2009 13:44:04 GMT -5
L4E, the utterly moronic title of this thread, plus quoting Rush Limbaugh of all people, only further cements you as the biggest twat on this forum. Hope those sour grapes are still going down nicely. I hope you like living in a socialist country, under a president who clearly has no clue to when it comes to foreign policy and keeping us safe. You idiot.
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Post by NYR on Jan 23, 2009 20:02:57 GMT -5
L4E, the utterly moronic title of this thread, plus quoting Rush Limbaugh of all people, only further cements you as the biggest twat on this forum. Hope those sour grapes are still going down nicely. I hope you like living in a socialist country, under a president who clearly has no clue to when it comes to foreign policy and keeping us safe. You idiot. because going into two countries, torturing, wiretapping and not finding osama bin laden after 7 years has totally worked. gotcha. also, look in the mirror before you call others socialist. you've supported bush all these years. bush was the one who made government bigger and provided those bailouts. you know, those bailouts were the most socialistic thing this country has seen since the new deal. someone call the wahhhhhhmbulance.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 23, 2009 20:16:37 GMT -5
I hope you like living in a socialist country, under a president who clearly has no clue to when it comes to foreign policy and keeping us safe. You idiot. because going into two countries, torturing, wiretapping and not finding osama bin laden after 7 years has totally worked. gotcha. also, look in the mirror before you call others socialist. you've supported bush all these years. bush was the one who made government bigger and provided those bailouts. you know, those bailouts were the most socialistic thing this country has seen since the new deal. someone call the wahhhhhhmbulance. It's actually debatable that torture went on. Almost everyone agrees Afghanistan was a smart and successful move. Most would also agree that a world without Saddam is a better one. Wiretapping shouldn't be as controversial as it is because he only does it for international calls, not domestic, AND it's played significant role in preventing many terrorist attacks, including the massive 2006 plot. And OBL isn't important anymore; it's good to catch him because he's symbolic, but that shouldn't be our priority. Rather, Al-Qaeda has been greatly disenfranchised, which is more important than getting the once leader of the group (because he's not even the leader any more). ^Owned.
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Post by NYR on Jan 23, 2009 20:28:15 GMT -5
owned? not quite.
it's not debatable that torture went on. even ex-president bush said they tortured individuals. before you say, "oh, it's just one or two people, it's really not that bad," let me state that one is too many. we're the u.s. of a. we should hold ourselves to a higher standard than everyone else.
most would agree that a world without saddam is better, yes, but to what degree? we had no plan, have no plan and left iraq in a complete bumblefuck. it would actually be arguable that iraq was better with saddam than it is now.
and for wiretapping, richard tice has, this week, gone on record for saying that the u.s. spied on innocents, including their own.
osama bin laden is important. he's the mastermind who murdered over 3,000 americans. you're making a case that saddam was a threat, but he never killed one american. his evasion of our troops has only allowed al-qaeda to use it, saying, "look at we did, and they haven't caught us yet. we beat the mighty america." you see it all the time.
keep drinking the kool-aid. you swing more to the right than ann coulter's strap-on.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 23, 2009 21:10:45 GMT -5
owned? not quite. it's not debatable that torture went on. even ex-president bush said they tortured individuals. before you say, "oh, it's just one or two people, it's really not that bad," let me state that one is too many. we're the u.s. of a. we should hold ourselves to a higher standard than everyone else. most would agree that a world without saddam is better, yes, but to what degree? we had no plan, have no plan and left iraq in a complete bumblefuck. it would actually be arguable that iraq was better with saddam than it is now. and for wiretapping, richard tice has, this week, gone on record for saying that the u.s. spied on innocents, including their own. osama bin laden is important. he's the mastermind who murdered over 3,000 americans. you're making a case that saddam was a threat, but he never killed one american. his evasion of our troops has only allowed al-qaeda to use it, saying, "look at we did, and they haven't caught us yet. we beat the mighty america." you see it all the time. keep drinking the kool-aid. you swing more to the right than ann coulter's strap-on. We now know Saddam wasn't a threat. Based on the intel we had since 1998 under Clinton and coming off of 9/11, it was vital we acted. but no, I'm no longer making a case Saddam was a threat in the short term to the US. OBL is important to catch again only for symbolic reasons - bring his crimes to justice, etc. But catching him now means nowt for strategic policies. Pre-9/11 he was a monumental figure, not planning the attacks but approving them, financing operations, organizing training camps, etc. Now post-9/11, he's currently on the run, in poor health (regardless of the rumored kidney problem), and disconnected from his organization. You can't run something as vast as AQ when always on the run. I'm almost certain he's no longer their leader, and a part of me wonders if they even have a leader, or have just become more a adhoc group (but the plot in 2006 seems to prove otherwise, but then again we're in 2009 now). And I will always support wiretapping. It's no more of an infringement than CCTV which litters the UK, and is in practice sporadically in the US, too. If it keeps us safe, and doesn't impede on the innocent average citizen, then there's no problem. If they have suspicion to listen in, then they better do it in my opinion. 9/11 was a wake up call, but with us now almost 8 years later, people are starting to become drowsy again, and we can't afford to fall asleep once again.
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Post by NYR on Jan 24, 2009 14:34:01 GMT -5
it is absolutely imperative that we bring osama bin laden to justice. symbolic? possibly. but he deserves to be punished for his gigantic role in the 9/11 attacks. it's not like the survivors of 9/11 haven't suffered enough, with failing healthcare and little government help after the rescue and recovery. for him to live free, even if he is on the run and in failing health, is one of the largest slaps in the face anyone could do to those who died, lost loved ones, or just lived through the attacks. he needs to be brought to justice.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 24, 2009 14:39:57 GMT -5
it is absolutely imperative that we bring osama bin laden to justice. symbolic? possibly. but he deserves to be punished for his gigantic role in the 9/11 attacks. it's not like the survivors of 9/11 haven't suffered enough, with failing healthcare and little government help after the rescue and recovery. for him to live free, even if he is on the run and in failing health, is one of the largest slaps in the face anyone could do to those who died, lost loved ones, or just lived through the attacks. he needs to be brought to justice. Yes, he need to be brought to justice. But you cant possible defend spending millions of dollars, and countless of lives on catching a man who is now insignificant when it comes to attacking the US. If we can get him, then lets do it, but we shouldn't make the man one of the top priorities. Kicking his organizations ass is a more worthwhile deal so we can know that AQ will never be a threat to us again.
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Post by halftheworld on Jan 24, 2009 14:53:20 GMT -5
L4E, the utterly moronic title of this thread, plus quoting Rush Limbaugh of all people, only further cements you as the biggest twat on this forum. Hope those sour grapes are still going down nicely. I hope you like living in a socialist country, under a president who clearly has no clue to when it comes to foreign policy and keeping us safe. You idiot. ;D so you'd rather want to live in a country, where your president sells your future (yes, YOU are going to pay for bushis war!!! with YOUR taxes! i wonder what mccain would have done to get the us finances anywhere close to a reasonable level ;D haha, you are an idiot) to china, to lead a war that is just a total mess? and now you rather want a 4 year fuck up for YOUR COUNTRY only to be right? ;D ROFL!!! oh boy...
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Jan 24, 2009 15:30:25 GMT -5
I'm a Republican and I did not vote for Obama but you are truly a fucking moron if you want this man to fail. God knows if this country will be able to survive another failed presidency, especially during this economic crisis. I like Rush but he's dead wrong here too. You gotta be an American before you're a Republican...something you L4E obviously aren't capable of doing. Something most of these bitching liberals couldn't do the past 8 years under Bush...And by saying what you're saying, you're no better than those idiots who booed Bush on Inauguration day
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Post by NYR on Jan 25, 2009 10:15:25 GMT -5
it is absolutely imperative that we bring osama bin laden to justice. symbolic? possibly. but he deserves to be punished for his gigantic role in the 9/11 attacks. it's not like the survivors of 9/11 haven't suffered enough, with failing healthcare and little government help after the rescue and recovery. for him to live free, even if he is on the run and in failing health, is one of the largest slaps in the face anyone could do to those who died, lost loved ones, or just lived through the attacks. he needs to be brought to justice. Yes, he need to be brought to justice. But you cant possible defend spending millions of dollars, and countless of lives on catching a man who is now insignificant when it comes to attacking the US. If we can get him, then lets do it, but we shouldn't make the man one of the top priorities. Kicking his organizations ass is a more worthwhile deal so we can know that AQ will never be a threat to us again. we did all those things for a man who didn't have any threat to the nation. p.s. hey guys, someone drew a cartoon of l4e:
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Post by Moorish on Jan 25, 2009 13:04:12 GMT -5
I'm a Republican and I did not vote for Obama but you are truly a fucking moron if you want this man to fail. God knows if this country will be able to survive another failed presidency, especially during this economic crisis. I like Rush but he's dead wrong here too. You gotta be an American before you're a Republican...something you L4E obviously aren't capable of doing. Something most of these bitching liberals couldn't do the past 8 years under Bush...And by saying what you're saying, you're no better than those idiots who booed Bush on Inauguration day Hahahaha, now *that* is what you call "owned".
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Post by KPZK the Most Supreme...Thingy on Jan 27, 2009 15:05:35 GMT -5
i find it hilarious that people like rush limbaugh and the fox news-ers are saying obama didn't say the oath correctly, and that we should follow the constitution. since when have they cared about the constitution???Sad but true.
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Post by tank13 on Jan 30, 2009 19:47:18 GMT -5
I think anyone, regardless of party affiliation, who wants President Obama to fail is absolutely out of their mind. I absolutely agree in freedom of speech, therefore Rush can say whatever he wants. However, given the shit hole state the United States currently in, now is not the time to "want" or "hope" the President fails. The economy is a war in and of itself. There's two wars currently being fought. Energy independence is something else that has ability to cripple the country. I don't care if John McCain won the Presidency, no one with a fraction of a brain would say, I hope he fails. If the President fails, times have the potential to be worse than the depression. I don't think anyone wants to see that happen.
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