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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Nov 5, 2024 10:08:49 GMT -5
Fomo? No Spanish, this is an english language forum….. Thanks. I think he means fomo as in "fear of missing out" I only found out what FOMO meant a couple months ago. Most of the time I’m HOMO, hope of missing out… God bless. |
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Post by herticalvorizon on Nov 5, 2024 10:23:11 GMT -5
I think he means fomo as in "fear of missing out" I only found out what FOMO meant a couple months ago. Most of the time I’m HOMO, hope of missing out… God bless.  |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 5, 2024 12:11:33 GMT -5
I don't think they're really comparable given the difference in how they would probably measure their success. They haven't been aiming for the same thing and have been dealing with vastly different pressures and expectations.
Noel as arguably the best songwriter of the 90's was having to live up to lofty expectations while, free from the constraints of a band, expanding his creative horizons.
Liam was down and out. Written off, his voice in bits, basically starting from scratch to try a carve out a space that would allow him to go back to work and get on the road.
And that's essentially it. Noel the songwriter crafting tunes In his studio, Liam the singer going out and playing to people.
It obviously isn't totally black and white, Noel has done good shows, Liam has written good tunes but they don't occupy the same space.
So I would say they have both been very successful and achieved what they set out to do. It's culminated perfectly in a reunion where Noel will bring the magic and Liam will bring the people.
Comparing them to me is a bit like comparing Elvis and Dylan. They're not really of the same parish.
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Post by GlastoEls on Nov 5, 2024 12:23:50 GMT -5
^ a fine post.
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Post by herticalvorizon on Nov 5, 2024 12:30:13 GMT -5
I don't think they're really comparable given the difference in how they would probably measure their success. They haven't been aiming for the same thing and have been dealing with vastly different pressures and expectations. Noel as arguably the best songwriter of the 90's was having to live up to lofty expectations while, free from the constraints of a band, expanding his creative horizons. Liam was down and out. Written off, his voice in bits, basically starting from scratch to try a carve out a space that would allow him to go back to work and get on the road. And that's essentially it. Noel the songwriter crafting tunes In his studio, Liam the singer going out and playing to people. It obviously isn't totally black and white, Noel has done good shows, Liam has written good tunes but they don't occupy the same space. So I would say they have both been very successful and achieved what they set out to do. It's culminated perfectly in a reunion where Noel will bring the magic and Liam will bring the people. Comparing them to me is a bit like comparing Elvis and Dylan. They're not really of the same parish. Yeah close the thread, this guy nailed it |
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Post by andymorris on Nov 6, 2024 2:11:51 GMT -5
If you take the facts eg streams and record sales, Noel's career is better. Noel's first album sold 2/3 times more in the UK but was only the 14th biggest selling album of 2011. Liam's first album was the 9th biggest selling of 2017 in the UK. This is because the way people bought and listened to albums significantly changed the size of the market. Context is important in comparing their solo career peaks :-) Council Skies did okay and Noel stopped having problems selling out theatres. He sort of bounced back. Now he gets to play stadiums with Liam involved. Everything is good for Noel. No need to bend lots of information to pretend he was half as big as Liam though. Context is important but also the initial thread title is "Who had the better solo career?", its not "Who had the better solo career since 2017 ?" : so i'm taking just numbers without adding other factors to change the perspective and twist facts... its still Noel  Not saying Liam had a shit career, he's had a very very successful career, But when you take all the factors, its Noel. Clearly. Better record sales, samey gig attendance, and music... well, there is no competition. Again, even if you include Beady Eye (which i would not since its not technically "solo"), they released two albums when Noel had only one and Noel still massively sold more records. It was 2011, and they sold shit (again, that's not my view on his career, since i really like Beady Eye and though it was a brave move to continue without Noel). All the numbers point to Noel having a real solo career when Liam just attracted younger people on Oasis legacy. |
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Post by Supersonic on Nov 6, 2024 2:39:44 GMT -5
Equals for me.
But, Liam has done wonders getting the younger crowd into Oasis.
Keeps the legacy alive, and all that.
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Post by artumlobov on Nov 6, 2024 3:40:54 GMT -5
Noel's first album sold 2/3 times more in the UK but was only the 14th biggest selling album of 2011. Liam's first album was the 9th biggest selling of 2017 in the UK. This is because the way people bought and listened to albums significantly changed the size of the market. Context is important in comparing their solo career peaks :-) Council Skies did okay and Noel stopped having problems selling out theatres. He sort of bounced back. Now he gets to play stadiums with Liam involved. Everything is good for Noel. No need to bend lots of information to pretend he was half as big as Liam though. Context is important but also the initial thread title is "Who had the better solo career?", its not "Who had the better solo career since 2017 ?" : so i'm taking just numbers without adding other factors to change the perspective and twist facts... its still Noel Not saying Liam had a shit career, he's had a very very successful career, But when you take all the factors, its Noel. Clearly. Better record sales, samey gig attendance, and music... well, there is no competition. Again, even if you include Beady Eye (which i would not since its not technically "solo"), they released two albums when Noel had only one and Noel still massively sold more records. It was 2011, and they sold shit (again, that's not my view on his career, since i really like Beady Eye and though it was a brave move to continue without Noel). All the numbers point to Noel having a real solo career when Liam just attracted younger people on Oasis legacy. Cool, I'm going to interpret the question in regards to where their solo careers ended. Liam's final album sold more and his gigs where far bigger. He was also a respected and trusted festival headliner. A status Noel rarely got to and never maintained. Musically they had a similar ceiling but Noel's floor was much lower and more regularly hit. Liam for me. |
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Post by andymorris on Nov 6, 2024 4:16:10 GMT -5
Context is important but also the initial thread title is "Who had the better solo career?", its not "Who had the better solo career since 2017 ?" : so i'm taking just numbers without adding other factors to change the perspective and twist facts... its still Noel Not saying Liam had a shit career, he's had a very very successful career, But when you take all the factors, its Noel. Clearly. Better record sales, samey gig attendance, and music... well, there is no competition. Again, even if you include Beady Eye (which i would not since its not technically "solo"), they released two albums when Noel had only one and Noel still massively sold more records. It was 2011, and they sold shit (again, that's not my view on his career, since i really like Beady Eye and though it was a brave move to continue without Noel). All the numbers point to Noel having a real solo career when Liam just attracted younger people on Oasis legacy. Cool, I'm going to interpret the question in regards to where their solo careers ended. Liam's final album sold more and his gigs where far bigger. He was also a respected and trusted festival headliner. A status Noel rarely got to and never maintained. Musically they had a similar ceiling but Noel's floor was much lower and more regularly hit. Liam for me. Again this is a weird take : "Liam's final album sold more"... ok but what does that mean ? I could use your argument and say 2019 is not 2022 in terms of people buying records. Its after covid, streaming has gone through the roof since then. I can twists it too if i want. Compare Squire and Noel's record who came out at the same "its not the same for record sales anymore" window and Noel wins, 60 to 40K.... LIAM GALLAGHER sold over 501,297 albums when NOEL GALLAGHER'S HIGH FLYING BIRDS sold over 1,570,196 albums, per bestsellingalbums.org. That's 1 million more ! "his gigs where far bigger"... which gigs ? all of them ? Or just a few. Liam did half a much gigs as Noel's in his solo career; even with Beady eye its not even close. Do you include the nostalgia DM tour ? why not add those numbers to Noel too since its all HIS songs. In a way, since Noel wrote all of the Oasis songs Liam sings at his gigs, he could be credited for a % of people attending those gigs too. He is a part of Liam's solo touring success. Without those songs, there is no Liam's solo career. simple as that. Noel too relied on oasis songs, but as shown before, way less in % in a setlist. I'm not gonna count but even with festivals (how do you count the people who came ONLY for Liam ?) and Knebworth (160k for two nights), i highly doubt he attracted more people. Its probably = or noel wins. Let's take a random average 7K arena numbers (arenas being between 5 to 15k roughly, let's take the middle) : - Noel : 547 shows x 7K = 3 829 000 tickets - Liam : 274 shows x 7K = 1 918 000 tickets : you need to add many, many, many Knebworth to match Noel's total. "Musically they had a similar ceiling but Noel's floor was much lower and more regularly hit": that's an opinion, not a fact. All of Noel's albums have been mostly critically acclaimed bar odd clickbait reviews. If you take all the musical aspects of a recording artists (writing, recording, performing), writing your songs is an important part to establish a long lasting solo career and a legacy, so there is not really a competition here. but again, this is all a matter of opinion. I dont really take this as a key factor. We're talking about career as a whole, not picking random stuff like Knebworth that prove your point. Overall, taking all aspects of the solo career, which is the only basis to make a conclusion, Noel's career is a shoulder above: it was longer, more established with own record label (meaning more revenues on album sales), steady and less declining fast, with more record sales, more streams and more tickets sold. So overall, Not my much, but it is. |
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Post by artumlobov on Nov 6, 2024 5:02:38 GMT -5
Okay, here is another one for you to get number crunching on lol.
Noel's last album went in at number 2 in the UK and Liam's at number 1. Did Noel win that one as well?
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Post by dampcottage on Nov 6, 2024 6:03:14 GMT -5
Fuck sake give it a rest
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 6, 2024 8:52:58 GMT -5
Cool, I'm going to interpret the question in regards to where their solo careers ended. Liam's final album sold more and his gigs where far bigger. He was also a respected and trusted festival headliner. A status Noel rarely got to and never maintained. Musically they had a similar ceiling but Noel's floor was much lower and more regularly hit. Liam for me. Again this is a weird take : "Liam's final album sold more"... ok but what does that mean ? I could use your argument and say 2019 is not 2022 in terms of people buying records. Its after covid, streaming has gone through the roof since then. I can twists it too if i want. Compare Squire and Noel's record who came out at the same "its not the same for record sales anymore" window and Noel wins, 60 to 40K.... LIAM GALLAGHER sold over 501,297 albums when NOEL GALLAGHER'S HIGH FLYING BIRDS sold over 1,570,196 albums, per bestsellingalbums.org. That's 1 million more ! "his gigs where far bigger"... which gigs ? all of them ? Or just a few. Liam did half a much gigs as Noel's in his solo career; even with Beady eye its not even close. Do you include the nostalgia DM tour ? why not add those numbers to Noel too since its all HIS songs. In a way, since Noel wrote all of the Oasis songs Liam sings at his gigs, he could be credited for a % of people attending those gigs too. He is a part of Liam's solo touring success. Without those songs, there is no Liam's solo career. simple as that. Noel too relied on oasis songs, but as shown before, way less in % in a setlist. I'm not gonna count but even with festivals (how do you count the people who came ONLY for Liam ?) and Knebworth (160k for two nights), i highly doubt he attracted more people. Its probably = or noel wins. Let's take a random average 7K arena numbers (arenas being between 5 to 15k roughly, let's take the middle) : - Noel : 547 shows x 7K = 3 829 000 tickets - Liam : 274 shows x 7K = 1 918 000 tickets : you need to add many, many, many Knebworth to match Noel's total. "Musically they had a similar ceiling but Noel's floor was much lower and more regularly hit": that's an opinion, not a fact. All of Noel's albums have been mostly critically acclaimed bar odd clickbait reviews. If you take all the musical aspects of a recording artists (writing, recording, performing), writing your songs is an important part to establish a long lasting solo career and a legacy, so there is not really a competition here. but again, this is all a matter of opinion. I dont really take this as a key factor. We're talking about career as a whole, not picking random stuff like Knebworth that prove your point. Overall, taking all aspects of the solo career, which is the only basis to make a conclusion, Noel's career is a shoulder above: it was longer, more established with own record label (meaning more revenues on album sales), steady and less declining fast, with more record sales, more streams and more tickets sold. So overall, Not my much, but it is. If success was measured by record sales Britney Spears would be considered more of a success than Bob Dylan. |
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Post by mossy on Nov 6, 2024 11:14:35 GMT -5
Again this is a weird take : "Liam's final album sold more"... ok but what does that mean ? I could use your argument and say 2019 is not 2022 in terms of people buying records. Its after covid, streaming has gone through the roof since then. I can twists it too if i want. Compare Squire and Noel's record who came out at the same "its not the same for record sales anymore" window and Noel wins, 60 to 40K.... LIAM GALLAGHER sold over 501,297 albums when NOEL GALLAGHER'S HIGH FLYING BIRDS sold over 1,570,196 albums, per bestsellingalbums.org. That's 1 million more ! "his gigs where far bigger"... which gigs ? all of them ? Or just a few. Liam did half a much gigs as Noel's in his solo career; even with Beady eye its not even close. Do you include the nostalgia DM tour ? why not add those numbers to Noel too since its all HIS songs. In a way, since Noel wrote all of the Oasis songs Liam sings at his gigs, he could be credited for a % of people attending those gigs too. He is a part of Liam's solo touring success. Without those songs, there is no Liam's solo career. simple as that. Noel too relied on oasis songs, but as shown before, way less in % in a setlist. I'm not gonna count but even with festivals (how do you count the people who came ONLY for Liam ?) and Knebworth (160k for two nights), i highly doubt he attracted more people. Its probably = or noel wins. Let's take a random average 7K arena numbers (arenas being between 5 to 15k roughly, let's take the middle) : - Noel : 547 shows x 7K = 3 829 000 tickets - Liam : 274 shows x 7K = 1 918 000 tickets : you need to add many, many, many Knebworth to match Noel's total. "Musically they had a similar ceiling but Noel's floor was much lower and more regularly hit": that's an opinion, not a fact. All of Noel's albums have been mostly critically acclaimed bar odd clickbait reviews. If you take all the musical aspects of a recording artists (writing, recording, performing), writing your songs is an important part to establish a long lasting solo career and a legacy, so there is not really a competition here. but again, this is all a matter of opinion. I dont really take this as a key factor. We're talking about career as a whole, not picking random stuff like Knebworth that prove your point. Overall, taking all aspects of the solo career, which is the only basis to make a conclusion, Noel's career is a shoulder above: it was longer, more established with own record label (meaning more revenues on album sales), steady and less declining fast, with more record sales, more streams and more tickets sold. So overall, Not my much, but it is. If success was measured by record sales Britney Spears would be considered more of a success than Bob Dylan. Toxic is a tune to be fair. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 6, 2024 12:13:27 GMT -5
If success was measured by record sales Britney Spears would be considered more of a success than Bob Dylan. Toxic is a tune to be fair. Big tune! |
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