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Post by blurareshit on Sept 23, 2024 16:33:53 GMT -5
Why is that depressing? It’s just a fact. Oasis didn’t really see mainstream success internationally outside WTSMG/“Wonderwall”. Their time in the worldwide spotlight was brief, just a couple years. Linkin Park were bigger and for a much longer time, had more hits, sold more records, were more central to general pop culture (collaborations with Jay-Z at the height of his fame or soundtracking one of the biggest movie franchises of the 00s). And Gen Z has embraced them - their streaming numbers are huge for a 25 year old band. I can tell you in America, it’s not even remotely close. Because they're bobbins. Well, you’re not wrong…
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Sept 23, 2024 16:33:59 GMT -5
As a Gen X-er here in America, Nirvana and grunge were the last major seismic shift in culture that I personally embraced, and then I found Oasis & Britpop -- but I always felt I was in the minority in loving Oasis. Oasis were big for a year or two, but were never a cultural phenomenon.
The U.S. music scene after grunge went right into the musical collage that was Linkin Park/Limp Bizkit/Korn/Slipknot + Gangsta Rap that dominated the late 90s/early 2000s here in the U.S.
I've always wished Oasis stayed popular here past WTSMG, but I also kinda enjoyed having our "exclusive club" for the past 25 years.
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Post by halftheworldaway91 on Sept 23, 2024 16:35:11 GMT -5
Imagine thinking Linkin Park are bigger than Oasis. What a tool!
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Post by Sadie on Sept 23, 2024 16:37:29 GMT -5
This is so boring…. Liam’s voice has been at its best comparable to the 1999/01 period of Oasis. No idea what the few complaints are about. I respect Liam so much as he did have a legitimate mental breakdown at the end of Beady Eye. He’s resurrected not only his career, but his personality and Oasis all at the same time. He deserves no hate whatsoever, the man has worked relentlessly over the last decade. What examples are there of him singing as well live as 1999-2000? With respect I don’t think are any in recent memory where he could sing with that level of melody and ease. Perhaps the closest I can recall was some of the early gigs when he went solo- and that might be purely because he had given his voice a significant break. By far his best vocal in recent years
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Post by halftheworldaway91 on Sept 23, 2024 16:41:43 GMT -5
Nobody talks about Soccer compared to Baseball in America so that must mean Baseball is the bigger sport.
Beware of fake posters with their fake news folks!
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 23, 2024 16:56:26 GMT -5
What examples are there of him singing as well live as 1999-2000? With respect I don’t think are any in recent memory where he could sing with that level of melody and ease. Perhaps the closest I can recall was some of the early gigs when he went solo- and that might be purely because he had given his voice a significant break.
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Post by blurareshit on Sept 23, 2024 17:40:36 GMT -5
The whole cult of personality nonsense gets so tiresome. Like you can’t dissent from the party line that the Gallaghers are god’s gift to the world and the band are immune from criticism - else you’re not a real fan.
God forbid you suggest that another act could ever be more popular than the almighty Oasis. Or that perhaps Liam’s most recent live vocals are perhaps objectively poorer than a couple years ago and worthy of derision, given what he is capable of. Or that the dynamic pricing/ticket on-sale debacle was a slap in the face to fans and Noel/Liam were absolutely part of that decision-making process.
The amount of hyperbolic rhetoric and blind fanaticism regarding Liam and the band here in this forum, the Oasis reddit, and elsewhere in fan groups online has exploded since the reunion news. It kinda gives wackjob Trumpist vibes at times honestly.
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Post by CFC2013 on Sept 23, 2024 18:11:27 GMT -5
The whole cult of personality nonsense gets so tiresome. Like you can’t dissent from the party line that the Gallaghers are god’s gift to the world and the band are immune from criticism - else you’re not a real fan. God forbid you suggest that another act could ever be more popular than the almighty Oasis. Or that perhaps Liam’s most recent live vocals are perhaps objectively poorer than a couple years ago and worthy of derision, given what he is capable of. Or that the dynamic pricing/ticket on-sale debacle was a slap in the face to fans and Noel/Liam were absolutely part of that decision-making process. The amount of hyperbolic rhetoric and blind fanaticism regarding Liam and the band here in this forum, the Oasis reddit, and elsewhere in fan groups online has exploded since the reunion news. It kinda gives wackjob Trumpist vibes at times honestly. Yeah, this place was way more chill before the reunion news. You occasionally had Liam vs Noel fights during album releases, but that had died off in the last few years and people minded their business more. Now, it seems everyone has taken their excitement for the reunion and turned it into pugnacious hype.
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Post by CFC2013 on Sept 23, 2024 18:16:22 GMT -5
Also, Linkin Park is bigger than Oasis in the US. That shouldn't be up for debate. It doesn't mean Linkin Park is a better band than Oasis, they are just way more popular across the board.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Sept 23, 2024 18:18:44 GMT -5
Nobody talks about Soccer compared to Baseball in America so that must mean Baseball is the bigger sport. Beware of fake posters with their fake news folks! In the New York Herald, November 26, year 1911, there is an account of the hanging of three men. They died for the murder of Sir Edmund William Godfrey; Husband, Father, Pharmacist and all around gentle-man resident of: Greenberry Hill, London. He was murdered by three vagrants whose motive was simple robbery. They were identified as: Joseph Green, Stanley Berry, and Daniel Hill. Green, Berry, Hill. And I Would Like To Think This was Only A Matter Of Chance. As reported in the Reno Gazette, June of 1983 there is the story of a fire, the water that it took to contain the fire, and a scuba diver named Delmer Darion. Employee of the Peppermill Hotel and Casino, Reno, Nevada. Engaged as a blackjack dealer. Well liked and well regarded as a physical, recreational and sporting sort, Delmer's true passion was for the lake. As reported by the coroner, Delmer died of a heart attack somewhere between the lake and the tree. A most curious side note is the suicide the next day of Craig Hansen. Volunteer firefighter, estranged father of four and a poor tendency to drink. Mr. Hansen was the pilot of the plane that quite accidentally lifted Delmer Darion out of the water. Added to this, Mr. Hansen's tortured life met before with Delmer Darion just two nights previous. The weight of the guilt and the measure of coincidence so large, Craig Hansen took his life. And I Am Trying To Think This Was All Only A Matter Of Chance. The tale told at a 1961 awards dinner for the American Association Of Forensic Science by Dr. Donald Harper, president of the association, began with a simple suicide attempt. Seventeen-year-old Sydney Barringer. In the city of Los Angeles on March 23, 1958. The coroner ruled that the unsuccessful suicide had suddenly become a successful homicide. To explain: The suicide was confirmed by a note, left in the breast pocket of Sydney Barringer. At the same time young Sydney stood on the ledge of this nine-story building, an argument swelled three stories below. The neighbors heard, as they usually did, the arguing of the tenants and it was not uncommon for them to threaten each other with a shotgun, or one of the many handguns kept in the house. And when the shotgun accidentaly went off, Sydney just happend to pass. Added to this, the two tenants turned out to be: Faye and Arthur Barringer. Sydney's mother and Sydney's father. When confronted with the charge, which took some figuring out for the officers on the scene of the crime, Faye Barringer swore that she did not know that the gun was loaded. A young boy who lived in the building, sometimes a visitor and friend to Sydney Barringer, said that he had seen, six days prior, the loading of the shotgun. It seems that the arguing and the fighting and all of the violence was far too much for Sydney Barringer, and knowing his mother and father's tendency to fight, he decided to do something. Sydney Barringer jumps from the ninth floor rooftop. His parents argue three stories below. Her accidental shotgun blast hits Sydney in the stomach as he passes the arguing sixth-floor window. He is killed instantly but continues to fall, only to find, three stories below, a safety net installed three days prior for a set of window washers that would have broken his fall and saved his life if not for the hole in his stomach. So Faye Barringer was charged with the murder of her son, and Sydney Barringer noted as an accomplice in his own death. And it is in the humble opinion of this narrator that this is not just "Something That Happened." This cannot be "One of Those Things... " This, please, cannot be that. And for what I would like to say, I can't. This Was Not Just A Matter Of Chance. Ohhhh. These strange things happen all the time. God bless.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 23, 2024 18:22:33 GMT -5
The whole cult of personality nonsense gets so tiresome. Like you can’t dissent from the party line that the Gallaghers are god’s gift to the world and the band are immune from criticism - else you’re not a real fan. God forbid you suggest that another act could ever be more popular than the almighty Oasis. Or that perhaps Liam’s most recent live vocals are perhaps objectively poorer than a couple years ago and worthy of derision, given what he is capable of. Or that the dynamic pricing/ticket on-sale debacle was a slap in the face to fans and Noel/Liam were absolutely part of that decision-making process. The amount of hyperbolic rhetoric and blind fanaticism regarding Liam and the band here in this forum, the Oasis reddit, and elsewhere in fan groups online has exploded since the reunion news. It kinda gives wackjob Trumpist vibes at times honestly. And that's just reductive nonsense. How many people have told you you're not a real fan? I agree with most of what you've said, but if it's opinions we're talking about then yours can be just as fairly challenged as anyone's.
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Post by matt on Sept 23, 2024 18:29:08 GMT -5
Really? That's depressing if true. Why is that depressing? It’s just a fact. Oasis didn’t really see mainstream success internationally outside WTSMG/“Wonderwall”. Their time in the worldwide spotlight was brief, just a couple years. Linkin Park were bigger and for a much longer time, had more hits, sold more records, were more central to general pop culture (collaborations with Jay-Z at the height of his fame or soundtracking one of the biggest movie franchises of the 00s). And Gen Z has embraced them - their streaming numbers are huge for a 25 year old band. I can tell you in America, it’s not even remotely close. I checked out their Spotify, and inexplicably, Linkin Park have around 55 million listeners making them the 34th most popular act ever. Yet I don't know of anyone who listens to them. And, I must be very sheltered and almost ashamed to say, but I literally cannot name a song of theirs or hum a tune from them. This is not a rejection of big American bands. I swear the likes of Red Hot Chili Peppers and Green Day would be ten times bigger (heck, I really like Green Day). They dominated radiowaves in the UK in a way Linkin Park have never. Yet their numbers are much closer to Oasis than Linkin Park. Bizarre.
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Post by Plantpot on Sept 23, 2024 18:31:39 GMT -5
Who the F**k are Linkin Park?
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Post by Let It Bleed on Sept 23, 2024 18:33:14 GMT -5
There’s one great Linkin Park song, ‘Shadow of the Day’, that’s it….and, terrible band name, not worse than Beady Eye, but awful….
God bless.
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Post by jeffrey on Sept 23, 2024 18:35:04 GMT -5
I’m gonna weigh on the Linkin Park discussion…
ABSOLUTE. DOG. SHIT.
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Post by matt on Sept 23, 2024 18:37:58 GMT -5
Why is that depressing? It’s just a fact. Oasis didn’t really see mainstream success internationally outside WTSMG/“Wonderwall”. Their time in the worldwide spotlight was brief, just a couple years. Linkin Park were bigger and for a much longer time, had more hits, sold more records, were more central to general pop culture (collaborations with Jay-Z at the height of his fame or soundtracking one of the biggest movie franchises of the 00s). And Gen Z has embraced them - their streaming numbers are huge for a 25 year old band. I can tell you in America, it’s not even remotely close. Because they're bobbins. Which is an even bigger surprise as to why they're big. They haven't released one remotely decent album judging by their album receptions. Looking at Wikipedia and all their albums have middling to poor reviews. Must be a lot of nihilistic kids out there listening to this stuff.
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Post by CFC2013 on Sept 23, 2024 18:50:12 GMT -5
Which is an even bigger surprise as to why they're big. They haven't released one remotely decent album judging by their album receptions. Looking at Wikipedia and all their albums have middling to poor reviews. Must be a lot of nihilistic kids out there listening to this stuff. They are mostly carried by "Hybrid Theory" and maybe one of their other early albums. Lots of millennials like them because they all came of age during the early 2000s, but I think Gen Z has caught on to some of their hits as well
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Post by thestylecouncil on Sept 23, 2024 19:22:02 GMT -5
Being bigger in the US defo pushes the amount of Spotify listeners as obviously the US has lots of inhabitants. And generally we should be careful to not overrate monthly Spotify listeners to much, think of someone like SZA who has lots, but she's still not well known in the UK and her headline set at Glastonbury fell completely flat. And there are also completely unknown artists who have one viral internet hit which pushes their monthly listeners to a few million yet no one knows them and they couldn't sell out small venues.
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Post by marqueemoon on Sept 23, 2024 19:38:22 GMT -5
Linkin Park ain’t my thing but I got nothing against their previous lineup. All I’ll say is thank fuck Oasis don’t have a lunatic Scientologist, rape-apologist new singer. I’ll take arguments about Liam’s vocals any day over arguing about that shit.
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Post by glider on Sept 23, 2024 19:41:56 GMT -5
Linkin Park is inexplicably more well known than Oasis outside the U.K. They have more hits and dominated the North American millennial nu-metal scene in the 2000s. That doesn't take away from the gravity of Oasis and their popularity but Linkin Park quite literally embodied that music culture here in the states.
They're two bands that aren't really that comparable.
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Post by blurareshit on Sept 23, 2024 19:52:18 GMT -5
Linkin Park not just a US phenomenon though. In fact, they were arguably playing to far larger audiences in the waning years of their career in the rest of the works than in America.
32,000 in Peru and Chile, 35,000 in Sweden, 40,000 in Italy, 41,000 in Poland, 81,000 in Germany 90,000 in Portugal, 100,000 in Austria, nearly 300,000 across a handful of dates in China, etc. Even Oasis wasn’t putting up those kind of numbers outside the UK.
The larger point being, yeah Linkin Park a pretty big deal worldwide and I think their reunion probably has overshadowed Oasis’ outside the UK.
Which means the brothers have got some work to do in terms of promo, hype, touring this whole thing outside of their home turf. Dates inside the UK were always going to sell out with no effort required. But internationally, they’ve never been on the same scale and I’d imagine we’re going to start seeing more press, probably out of necessity. They’re far from the only big reunion - much less the only big touring act - next year.
Anyone stateside who’d seen them back in the day or Noel more recently knows how big a gamble they’re taking that if these supposed leaked US gigs are real.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 23, 2024 19:54:12 GMT -5
So Linkin Park is the Blur of 2025. We really are reliving history.
Can we please stop talking about Linkin Park, who I liked when I was bloody 13.
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Post by glider on Sept 23, 2024 19:57:34 GMT -5
Linkin Park not just a US phenomenon though. In fact, they were arguably playing to far larger audiences in the waning years of their career in the rest of the works than in America. 32,000 in Peru and Chile, 35,000 in Sweden, 40,000 in Italy, 41,000 in Poland, 81,000 in Germany 90,000 in Portugal, 100,000 in Austria, nearly 300,000 across a handful of dates in China, etc. Even Oasis wasn’t putting up those kind of numbers outside the UK. The larger point being, yeah Linkin Park a pretty big deal worldwide and I think their reunion probably has overshadowed Oasis’ outside the UK. Which means the brothers have got some work to do in terms of promo, hype, touring this whole thing outside of their home turf. Dates inside the UK were always going to sell out with no effort required. But internationally, they’ve never been on the same scale and I’d imagine we’re going to start seeing more press, probably out of necessity. They’re far from the only big reunion - much less the only big touring act - next year. What happened to Chester has alot to do with the media attention. This is a 21st century equivalent to The Doors replacing Jim Morrison with someone else (and no, Linkin Park isn't as good as The Doors, relax!). I'll also add that at the time of Linkin Park's last release in his lifetime, 'One More Light', it was critically panned and he was vitriolic towards the fans. Their popularity was waning. Alot about the band's perception changed in the aftermath of that event. Whenever something tragic happens to a band's lead member(s), they seem to take on a mythic quality that is hard to describe. The spotlight shines a hell of a lot brighter.
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Post by jeffrey on Sept 23, 2024 20:03:28 GMT -5
Linkin Park not just a US phenomenon though. In fact, they were arguably playing to far larger audiences in the waning years of their career in the rest of the works than in America. 32,000 in Peru and Chile, 35,000 in Sweden, 40,000 in Italy, 41,000 in Poland, 81,000 in Germany 90,000 in Portugal, 100,000 in Austria, nearly 300,000 across a handful of dates in China, etc. Even Oasis wasn’t putting up those kind of numbers outside the UK. The larger point being, yeah Linkin Park a pretty big deal worldwide and I think their reunion probably has overshadowed Oasis’ outside the UK. Which means the brothers have got some work to do in terms of promo, hype, touring this whole thing outside of their home turf. Dates inside the UK were always going to sell out with no effort required. But internationally, they’ve never been on the same scale and I’d imagine we’re going to start seeing more press, probably out of necessity. They’re far from the only big reunion - much less the only big touring act - next year. Anyone stateside who’d seen them back in the day or Noel more recently knows how big a gamble they’re taking that if these supposed leaked US gigs are real. I genuinely haven’t seen a single ad, social media post or heard a word about them reforming. Conversely, it seemed like the Oasis reunion news was everywhere. My mom called to tell me it was on ABC nightly news that Tuesday it was officially announced.
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Post by CFC2013 on Sept 23, 2024 20:05:50 GMT -5
Linkin Park not just a US phenomenon though. In fact, they were arguably playing to far larger audiences in the waning years of their career in the rest of the works than in America. 32,000 in Peru and Chile, 35,000 in Sweden, 40,000 in Italy, 41,000 in Poland, 81,000 in Germany 90,000 in Portugal, 100,000 in Austria, nearly 300,000 across a handful of dates in China, etc. Even Oasis wasn’t putting up those kind of numbers outside the UK. The larger point being, yeah Linkin Park a pretty big deal worldwide and I think their reunion probably has overshadowed Oasis’ outside the UK. Which means the brothers have got some work to do in terms of promo, hype, touring this whole thing outside of their home turf. Dates inside the UK were always going to sell out with no effort required. But internationally, they’ve never been on the same scale and I’d imagine we’re going to start seeing more press, probably out of necessity. They’re far from the only big reunion - much less the only big touring act - next year. Anyone stateside who’d seen them back in the day or Noel more recently knows how big a gamble they’re taking that if these supposed leaked US gigs are real. I genuinely haven’t seen a single ad, social media post or heard a word about them reforming. Conversely, it seemed like the Oasis reunion news was everywhere. My mom called to tell me it was on ABC nightly news that Tuesday it was officially announced. I guess it would be like Nirvana touring after Kurt Cobain died with a new singer in 1997 or something. It would feel wrong, but the demand would be there
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