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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Mar 22, 2024 3:07:22 GMT -5
Today is world forest day. I'll never agree to chopping down trees unless there's something wrong with it. And, it's just shameful what's happening to the Amazon rainforest being cleared away for farming. It's very sad. What are they going to cut down next when the whole rainforest has been taken down.
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 22, 2024 4:23:36 GMT -5
Today is world forest day. I'll never agree to chopping down trees unless there's something wrong with it. And, it's just shameful what's happening to the Amazon rainforest being cleared away for farming. It's very sad. What are they going to cut down next when the whole rainforest has been taken down. Yeah, I know and it's just getting worse and worse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2024 6:42:11 GMT -5
many forests are being cut down to provide wood chips for bio-mass burners. Where I live the local power station burns this material and the wood is transported by sea from the other side of the world.
All in the name of being eco-friendly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2024 6:42:58 GMT -5
I find it worrying that there are so many closed minds on this issue.
It reminds me of religious fanatics who only take the words of their priests or prophets, the 'evidence' of their chosen books and scriptures and who are firmly unshakeable in their 'faith'.
Anyone who is willing to even consider alternative narratives or theories is then a 'non-believer'.
It's easy to spot these people - they use words like 'denier' (a very loaded insult due to it's association with the Holocaust), they call the non-believers uneducated, often in the USA (and more increasingly in the UK) they call them right-wing or conservative.
They take a moral high ground that, by definition, makes them feel superior to the non-believer.
Critical thinking means looking at things from different perspectives, taking into account a range of different views and data, questioning your own findings - it's what used to be also known as 'scientific method'.
Looking at how data is collected, how it is interpreted, who is doing the dissemination and asking questions about why these things matter is part of 'thinking for yourself'.
Simply believing whatever the current narrative might be is always bound to end badly.
The world was once the centre of the universe (the scientific community said so).
The atom was once the smallest possible expression of matter (the scientific community said so).
When I was growing up the world was soon going to enter a new ice-age (the scientific community said so).
Think for yourself.
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 22, 2024 7:43:53 GMT -5
The interesting thing about Climate Denial isn't the supposed claims it makes, which are just blandly moronic.
No, the interesting thing about it is the way in which it's wrong. Climate denial is obviously wrong, and clearly wrong, in multiple ways, all of which are easy to discover and understand by anyone with a functioning brain.
And that's fascinating.
I'm reminded of a paper which was published this year by Dutch philosopher Julia Duetz, which was called "Conspiracy Theories are Not Beliefs"; her argument was that these outright rejections of reality and of the obvious, indisputable avalanches of evidence which follow from it are not just wrong, but they're not even beliefs.
They're not meant to make a case for a positive statement about the world.
Instead, they're meant to provide an emotional shelter for those who struggle with reality clashing with their sense of control and adjustment. Often, this happens when a set of facts cannot be absorbed by a person's current worldview: thus, conservatives must deny climate change, racists must deny the holocaust, etc. But because all those things are real and true and obvious, what gets presented is never a logical case with sources to explain empirical evidence and support a positive counter-claim, but a vague negative gesturing that things out there cannot be trusted; science cannot be trusted; evidence cannot be trusted; experts cannot be trusted, things are out of your control, too. Of course, this comes with the usual platitudes about "open minds" and "distrusting narratives", but that's just the dream-coat of rationality which stupidity likes to wear when hosting company.
Holocaust denial, climate denial, spherical-Earth denial, they're all the same: non-beliefs, supported by non-evidence, for people who are have a vested psychological interest in denying the objective world and maintaining a personal sense of control, belonging, and narrative power over things which are beyond their ability to dictate.
I like this comment which was left under the paper in question:
"Their aim isn't to convince you of their worldview, but to convince you to doubt yours."
I'm going to post this Hbomb video again, because it's fantastic and you should watch it:
Climate change is real, and it is human-affected, and the consequences of it are to be taken seriously.
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 23, 2024 13:53:10 GMT -5
We've got to stop taking away animal habitats to build on as well as that isn't helping things either.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Mar 23, 2024 14:18:28 GMT -5
We've got to stop taking away animal habitats to build on as well as that isn't helping things either. Unfortunately that's not going to happen because of the reasons mentioned in this thread. Animals are at the bottom and the human race is on top.
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 24, 2024 13:40:32 GMT -5
We've got to stop taking away animal habitats to build on as well as that isn't helping things either. Unfortunately that's not going to happen because of the reasons mentioned in this thread. Animals are at the bottom and the human race is on top. True but it annoys me when animals have nowhere to go and wonder into housing estates and then people wonder why or wonder why they get attacked.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Mar 24, 2024 14:13:47 GMT -5
Unfortunately that's not going to happen because of the reasons mentioned in this thread. Animals are at the bottom and the human race is on top. True but it annoys me when animals have nowhere to go and wonder into housing estates and then people wonder why or wonder why they get attacked. Yes ๐ and then the animal(s) in question gets killed because it's only looking for a place to live or looking for something to eat.
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 25, 2024 14:04:59 GMT -5
True but it annoys me when animals have nowhere to go and wonder into housing estates and then people wonder why or wonder why they get attacked. Yes ๐ and then the animal(s) in question gets killed because it's only looking for a place to live or looking for something to eat. Exactly and that's what makes me angry about it all that it's always the poor animal which gets the blame.
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 3, 2024 13:12:26 GMT -5
I read that sewage spills into England's seas and rivers by water companies more than doubled last year which is absolutely disgusting but sadly these companies don't care.
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 5, 2024 13:15:14 GMT -5
Some good news and bad news, it's been reported that number of trees lost in tropical forests in Brazil and Colombia fell dramatically last year because of political action. However, the bad news is increased tree falling and fires in Bolivia and Nicaragua wiped out many of these gains.
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 9, 2024 12:48:22 GMT -5
After the warmest February we've just had the worlds warmest March on record.
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 21, 2024 12:38:36 GMT -5
So the energy secretary thinks that the governments climate change record is strong. Yeah, right did they forget that Sunak is a climate cop out? Honestly I've never read such crap in all my life.
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 22, 2024 4:56:28 GMT -5
Today is world earth day, we should be saving our planet and not destroying it.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Apr 22, 2024 6:59:22 GMT -5
The planet is fucked because of rampant consumerism and greed. I expect they'll do something about it when its too late. If it isn't already.
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 22, 2024 12:24:22 GMT -5
The planet is fucked because of rampant consumerism and greed. I expect they'll do something about it when its too late. If it isn't already. That's true and sadly not enough people care about it. Countries like China for example are one of the worst for carbon admissions.
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 22, 2024 12:30:20 GMT -5
A climate watchdog head has said that Sunak has set us back on climate change and has left the UK falling behind other countries. I think that we already knew that though.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Apr 22, 2024 16:14:50 GMT -5
The planet is fucked because of rampant consumerism and greed. I expect they'll do something about it when it's too late. If it isn't already. It's too late already I think. The planet is badly overpopulated. Also, the people in charge aren't even doing small things anyway, for example I could easily do my job from home and reduce my carbon footprint by not commuting and wasting energy at the office, but the company don't allow it (I believe it's the same for many other people in other companies too), so fuck it then.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Apr 22, 2024 17:31:39 GMT -5
The planet is fucked because of rampant consumerism and greed. I expect they'll do something about it when it's too late. If it isn't already. It's too late already I think. The planet is badly overpopulated. Also, the people in charge aren't even doing small things anyway, for example I could easily do my job from home and reduce my carbon footprint by not commuting and wasting energy at the office, but the company don't allow it (I believe it's the same for many other people in other companies too), so fuck it then. Yeah got to keep the worker ants going to the office otherwise people like Alan Sugar lose money on their commercial property portfolio. I would say that overpopulation isnโt the the real problem, itโs what that increasing population produces
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Apr 22, 2024 17:33:13 GMT -5
The planet is fucked because of rampant consumerism and greed. I expect they'll do something about it when its too late. If it isn't already. That's true and sadly not enough people care about it. Countries like China for example are one of the worst for carbon admissions. China now, us before. A group of people with vested interests that wonโt let go.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Apr 23, 2024 1:21:36 GMT -5
It's too late already I think. The planet is badly overpopulated. Also, the people in charge aren't even doing small things anyway, for example I could easily do my job from home and reduce my carbon footprint by not commuting and wasting energy at the office, but the company don't allow it (I believe it's the same for many other people in other companies too), so fuck it then. Yeah got to keep the worker ants going to the office otherwise people like Alan Sugar lose money on their commercial property portfolio. I would say that overpopulation isnโt the the real problem, itโs what that increasing population produces Yeah, and most of the people who I've talked to in work are miserable because of commuting and spending the day in shit hole for no valid reason. So, there you see, nothing is being done and nothing will be done because somebody somewhere would lose money. I disagree on the second point though. It would have been better for the planet and animals if the human race population never started raising after WW2 and would have stayed around 1.5-2 billion. The more there are the more we need everything. It would have probably meant that I wouldn't be typing this message here, but I'd be fine with that.
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 23, 2024 12:35:12 GMT -5
That's true and sadly not enough people care about it. Countries like China for example are one of the worst for carbon admissions. China now, us before. A group of people with vested interests that wonโt let go. True also I think that America are another country to add to the list as well.
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 23, 2024 12:46:07 GMT -5
Something I forgot to mention is that moron Trump thinks that climate change is a hoax which is just typical and not surprising from him.
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