emil
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Post by emil on Jun 7, 2023 6:24:32 GMT -5
So, he left the band in 2009. Liam and the rest decided not to continue as Oasis without him. Okey.
But how come Noel is the one working on Oasis releases and is still project managing the Oasis legacy if he left?
I'm guessing he never left the Oasis partnership, and his "I quit" was in reality just him declaring "I won't tour or record new albums" but he never actually left Oasis?
Or what happened following his exit in France in 2009 in a legal sense?
And could Liam if he wanted to have kept touring and recording albums as Oasis without Noels consent? Could he have played next years DM shows branded as Oasis? Or does Noel own the rights to the band and to say "no" regarding Oasis related matters?
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Post by supertronic on Jun 7, 2023 6:26:31 GMT -5
So, he left the band in 2009. Liam and the rest decided not to continue as Oasis without him. Okey. But how come Noel is the one working on Oasis releases and is still project managing the Oasis legacy if he left? I'm guessing he never left the Oasis partnership, and his "I quit" was in reality just him declaring "I won't tour or record new albums" but he never actually left Oasis? Or what happened following his exit in France in 2009 in a legal sense? And could Liam if he wanted to have kept touring and recording albums as Oasis without Noels consent? Could he have played next years DM shows branded as Oasis? Or does Noel own the rights to the band and to say "no" regarding Oasis related matters? Because 95% of the songs are his property. |
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Post by emil on Jun 7, 2023 6:32:08 GMT -5
So, he left the band in 2009. Liam and the rest decided not to continue as Oasis without him. Okey. But how come Noel is the one working on Oasis releases and is still project managing the Oasis legacy if he left? I'm guessing he never left the Oasis partnership, and his "I quit" was in reality just him declaring "I won't tour or record new albums" but he never actually left Oasis? Or what happened following his exit in France in 2009 in a legal sense? And could Liam if he wanted to have kept touring and recording albums as Oasis without Noels consent? Could he have played next years DM shows branded as Oasis? Or does Noel own the rights to the band and to say "no" regarding Oasis related matters? Because 95% of the songs are his property. That is not an answer though, to e.g. what him leaving Oasis actually meant etc. Someone owning the publishing to the songs the person wrote is moot in regards to my post. Could Liam be involved in a superduper edition of Dm e.g. if he wanted to. Or is he shut out of decisions within the band, even with Noel being the one who "quit". |
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Post by thestylecouncil on Jun 7, 2023 8:52:10 GMT -5
I think all the Oasis companies (e.g. Big Brother Recordings, Oasis Merchandise etc) are owned by both Liam and Noel just like when the band was active. Back then in 1993 when the band signed their first record deal they already made sure that only the two of them own the rights to the band name "Oasis"
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Post by Sadie on Jun 7, 2023 9:02:15 GMT -5
Because 95% of the songs are his property. That is not an answer though, to e.g. what him leaving Oasis actually meant etc. Someone owning the publishing to the songs the person wrote is moot in regards to my post. Could Liam be involved in a superduper edition of Dm e.g. if he wanted to. Or is he shut out of decisions within the band, even with Noel being the one who "quit". I'm pretty sure there's nothing stopping him doing it. Let's face it, if it was some kind of legal issue there wouldn't be so many tribute bands around who make a pretty good living off of touring Oasis material |
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Post by birchy on Jun 7, 2023 9:40:58 GMT -5
Or what happened following his exit in France in 2009 in a legal sense? And could Liam if he wanted to have kept touring and recording albums as Oasis without Noels consent? Could he have played next years DM shows branded as Oasis? Or does Noel own the rights to the band and to say "no" regarding Oasis related matters? Noel owns half the name so Liam couldn't do it without Noel's consent. Noel mentions it here: |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 7, 2023 9:56:34 GMT -5
If Beady Eye had gone under the Oasis name it would be an utter embarrassment.
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Post by The Chief on Jun 7, 2023 10:47:07 GMT -5
If Beady Eye had gone under the Oasis name it would be an utter embarrassment. Mmm I'm not sure about that. And what I mean is that even to this day I don't know whether it would have been a good idea or not. Now bear with me here but bands with line-up changes even this big are not unheard of. Pink Floyd for example came up with a brilliant album with The Division Bell without Roger Waters and it worked well because David Gilmour sang most of the Pink Floyd songs and is responsible for the distinctive guitar sound. Fleetwood Mac is another good example but I think Pink Floyd is the best comparison here. So when Noel left, there were still 3 and a half members of the current line-up (the half being Sharrock). The songs were sung by Liam and Gem was able to play the lead parts perfectly (even better sometimes) so the Oasis sound would have still been there. You put Andy on guitar and get Jeff Wootton on bass and it's Oasis MKIII. You get the same public, the same publicity, the same name, same website, everything. On the flip side, the quality of DGSS was not up to par for an Oasis album so it would have been one of their weakest. But then again was The Division Bell up to par with Wish You Were Here or The Wall? I'm not sure about that either. And BE had nothing to do with an Oasis album sonically either so would that have worked? And I'm not even talking about the name being owned by Liam and Noel. Would that have caused Noel to get some money off of Oasis MKIII? I don't know about all that legal stuff. I do believe their career as a band would have ended up way differently if Beady Eye never existed though. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 7, 2023 16:58:02 GMT -5
Chance would be a fine thing. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 7, 2023 17:32:59 GMT -5
If Beady Eye had gone under the Oasis name it would be an utter embarrassment. I'm quite glad Liam abandoned the idea of just doing Oasis without Noel. Because you're totally right. |
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Post by Aman on Jun 8, 2023 2:00:41 GMT -5
Yeah.
I don't want those Beady Eye tunes linked with Oasis lol. Despite how mostly average 2000s Oasis were, Beady Eye ramped up the shit levels.
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Post by theunderclass on Jun 8, 2023 3:21:34 GMT -5
What if Bonehead had come back and replaced Noel? Noel was playing rhythm guitar by then anyway, so it would have been a like for like swap (barring the song-writing, of course!)
Oasis wasn't huge in 2009 anyway though ... even if Noel had been there I think their popularity was waning. The band almost needed that time away to regain popularity and become a bit more of a legend.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 8, 2023 4:22:30 GMT -5
What if Bonehead had come back and replaced Noel? Noel was playing rhythm guitar by then anyway, so it would have been a like for like swap (barring the song-writing, of course!) Oasis wasn't huge in 2009 anyway though ... even if Noel had been there I think their popularity was waning. The band almost needed that time away to regain popularity and become a bit more of a legend. The 2009 tour was the largest British stadium tour of all time at the time... |
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Post by theunderclass on Jun 8, 2023 5:24:04 GMT -5
What if Bonehead had come back and replaced Noel? Noel was playing rhythm guitar by then anyway, so it would have been a like for like swap (barring the song-writing, of course!) Oasis wasn't huge in 2009 anyway though ... even if Noel had been there I think their popularity was waning. The band almost needed that time away to regain popularity and become a bit more of a legend. The 2009 tour was the largest British stadium tour of all time at the time... They were always able to attract a massive crowd of boozers, but I'd argue their musical legacy is more highly thought of nowadays with some distance. |
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Post by aesthetic on Jun 8, 2023 6:19:24 GMT -5
If Beady Eye had gone under the Oasis name it would be an utter embarrassment. Bloody hell I don't even want to imagine what that would have looked like  |
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Post by quantum on Jun 8, 2023 7:41:45 GMT -5
What if Bonehead had come back and replaced Noel? Noel was playing rhythm guitar by then anyway, so it would have been a like for like swap (barring the song-writing, of course!) Oasis wasn't huge in 2009 anyway though ... even if Noel had been there I think their popularity was waning. The band almost needed that time away to regain popularity and become a bit more of a legend. Think of the songs Liam and Bonehead wrote in the early days. Now imagine an album full of that...  |
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Post by quantum on Jun 8, 2023 7:44:41 GMT -5
Or what happened following his exit in France in 2009 in a legal sense? And could Liam if he wanted to have kept touring and recording albums as Oasis without Noels consent? Could he have played next years DM shows branded as Oasis? Or does Noel own the rights to the band and to say "no" regarding Oasis related matters? Noel owns half the name so Liam couldn't do it without Noel's consent. Noel mentions it here: In that interview (from 2012) Noel says Oasis would only get back together if either him or Liam were skint, before saying "I know for a fact, that ain't going to happen". Wasn't Liam financially on the bones of his arse a few years later? |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 8, 2023 10:58:08 GMT -5
Noel and Liam owns the material post BHN and will own the first 3 (in 2025 i think) too.
Noel does everything (or oversees) but it needs Liam's approval. Just like Liam need Noel's approval to use recordings or songs from Oasis in his releases.
They don't need to speak to each other, their managers do.
Simple enough.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Jun 8, 2023 15:34:26 GMT -5
Noel owns half the name so Liam couldn't do it without Noel's consent. Noel mentions it here: In that interview (from 2012) Noel says Oasis would only get back together if either him or Liam were skint, before saying "I know for a fact, that ain't going to happen". Wasn't Liam financially on the bones of his arse a few years later? I don't know if Liam's pockets were completely empty a few years ago but the two divorces definitely cost him a fortune. These days he's probably doing quite well financially? |
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settingson
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Post by settingson on Jun 8, 2023 16:54:30 GMT -5
If Beady Eye had gone under the Oasis name it would be an utter embarrassment.
Beady Eye were essentially what Oasis detractors had said Oasis were all along.
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Post by PepsiNebula on Jun 8, 2023 22:19:47 GMT -5
What if Bonehead had come back and replaced Noel? Noel was playing rhythm guitar by then anyway, so it would have been a like for like swap (barring the song-writing, of course!) Oasis wasn't huge in 2009 anyway though ... even if Noel had been there I think their popularity was waning. The band almost needed that time away to regain popularity and become a bit more of a legend. Think of the songs Liam and Bonehead wrote in the early days. Now imagine an album full of that... I mean, I think it's fair to say that even just by 2011 Liam had matured as a songwriter from when he was 20. |
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Post by shoes222 on Jun 10, 2023 11:43:09 GMT -5
While both brothers own the Oasis name legally, the management company behind Oasis has always and still works with Noel. That's why all the re-releases, box sets, bonus tracks, official promotions, YouTube retrospecives etc. all feature and go through Noel.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jun 11, 2023 2:22:46 GMT -5
Think of the songs Liam and Bonehead wrote in the early days. Now imagine an album full of that... I mean, I think it's fair to say that even just by 2011 Liam had matured as a songwriter from when he was 20. Liam is not prolific enough to write an album full of (decent) songs in a reasonable amount of time. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jun 11, 2023 10:17:51 GMT -5
Bonehead gets in and here they are
1. The Roller
2. Take Me
3. Sons Of The Stage
1. Four Letter word
2. World Outside My Room
3. Kill for a Dream
1. Four Letter word
2. Millionaire
3. The Roller
4. Bring The Light
5. Evil Eye
6. The Beat Goes On
7. Man Of Misery
8. (In The Bubble) With a Bullet
9. Wigwam
10. Ballroom Figured
11. The Morning Son
1. Millionaire
2. For Anyone
3. Standing On The Edge Of The Noise
1. The Beat Goes On
2. Three Ring Circus
3. Wind Up Dream
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Jun 12, 2023 4:42:27 GMT -5
Bonehead gets in and here they are 1. The Roller 2. Take Me 3. Sons Of The Stage 1. Four Letter word 2. World Outside My Room 3. Kill for a Dream 1. Four Letter word 2. Millionaire 3. The Roller 4. Bring The Light 5. Evil Eye 6. The Beat Goes On 7. Man Of Misery 8. (In The Bubble) With a Bullet 9. Wigwam 10. Ballroom Figured 11. The Morning Son 1. Millionaire 2. For Anyone 3. Standing On The Edge Of The Noise 1. The Beat Goes On 2. Three Ring Circus 3. Wind Up Dream What a depressing list of songs. A couple of decent ones in there but that's about it for me. |
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