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Post by jezza2 on Jun 7, 2023 6:37:06 GMT -5
At least RKID made it across the pond…
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Post by darmin on Jun 7, 2023 6:37:10 GMT -5
That’s a pity that Liam isn’t financially struggling anymore and isn’t desperate enough to agree on the reunion on any terms, even humiliating to him. Now he wants it on his own terms, what a shame I fail to see the point in the sarcasm? He doesn't seem to want in by any terms, why would he e.g. slag off Noels ex wife in 2023 if that was the case. Or what are these terms you speak off? An Oasis reunion based on Noels complete humiliation? Sounds sane. I meant that he wants the reunion but not desperate enough to jump at any dubious offer and that’s fair
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Post by jezza2 on Jun 7, 2023 6:40:41 GMT -5
Liam currently sitting in a supervillain type lair in his house banging a table watching a live bar graph that reads “which Gallagher is more responsible for oasis not getting back together” and seeing his name start to increase and pass Noel’s name.
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Post by cozzy1 on Jun 7, 2023 6:49:36 GMT -5
To me, it seems like neither of them particularly want a reunion, but Liam keeps pretending otherwise. Noel - for years - said there wouldn't be a reunion, yet Liam kept using that as a stick to beat his brother with
Now, Noel is trying to put it back on Liam, and everytime he says something like this, Liam comes out swinging on Twitter
Neither of them are coming out smelling of roses, and the only ones who really suffer are us fans, who genuinely don't want them to be at each other's throats (regardless of a reunion)
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 7, 2023 7:06:25 GMT -5
This boxing-style back and forth is getting boring. If there was any will to reunite, it would be done in private. Noel turning the tables and exposing Liam for being, to quote Joker, just a dog chasing cars is the least boring this has been. It's a clever way to have a new answer to a tired question and Liams constant "my bags are packed, it's all Noels fault he is the devil. Liam through the years being all pro-Oasis to be opposite Noel and forcing him to be the "bad guy" in saying Oasis won't be back, for social media likes and to be in the good graces of the fans is far more boring. Liam wanting Oasis and the money that follows back when he was down on his luck and his band BE not taking off is what it is. Since his own success, Noel exposing it for just being empty PR-posing is quite genius. And seeing Liams desperate tweets (lashing out and even slagging off Noels ex again) about why he isn't just calling and presenting a plan, proves Noel right. They must have been heavy tables, it’s taken 5 years to turn them.
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Post by emil on Jun 7, 2023 7:08:39 GMT -5
I fail to see the point in the sarcasm? He doesn't seem to want in by any terms, why would he e.g. slag off Noels ex wife in 2023 if that was the case. Or what are these terms you speak off? An Oasis reunion based on Noels complete humiliation? Sounds sane. I meant that he wants the reunion but not desperate enough to jump at any dubious offer and that’s fair So what is the not-dubious offer that he excepts? That Noel, who has said he doesn't care for a reunion and quit the band, calls him up and gives him a complete package deal with a bunch of new songs written and a tour booked? Liam can only show up with his tambourine and parka? If that is the case, Liam might want to keep quiet about it until that happens. Instead of like now, doing nothing behind the scenes but acting out on Twitter.
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Post by emil on Jun 7, 2023 7:10:09 GMT -5
Noel turning the tables and exposing Liam for being, to quote Joker, just a dog chasing cars is the least boring this has been. It's a clever way to have a new answer to a tired question and Liams constant "my bags are packed, it's all Noels fault he is the devil. Liam through the years being all pro-Oasis to be opposite Noel and forcing him to be the "bad guy" in saying Oasis won't be back, for social media likes and to be in the good graces of the fans is far more boring. Liam wanting Oasis and the money that follows back when he was down on his luck and his band BE not taking off is what it is. Since his own success, Noel exposing it for just being empty PR-posing is quite genius. And seeing Liams desperate tweets (lashing out and even slagging off Noels ex again) about why he isn't just calling and presenting a plan, proves Noel right. They must have been heavy tables, it’s taken 5 years to turn them. I mean, saying "there will be no reunion" for all these years didn't help and/or stop Liam from tweeting and making headlines in the UK papers about it happening.
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Post by jh on Jun 7, 2023 7:16:24 GMT -5
He looks more stocky and healthy now. Definitely- he was getting too thin. Looks good
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Post by darmin on Jun 7, 2023 7:19:51 GMT -5
I meant that he wants the reunion but not desperate enough to jump at any dubious offer and that’s fair So what is the not-dubious offer that he excepts? That Noel, who has said he doesn't care for a reunion and quit the band, calls him up and gives him a complete package deal with a bunch of new songs written and a tour booked? Liam can only show up with his tambourine and parka? If that is the case, Liam might want to keep quiet about it until that happens. Instead of like now, doing nothing behind the scenes but acting out on Twitter. Im not Liam but suspect that something not dubious = “I want the reunion and I’m open to negotiations” from Noel for the starter? Or just normal business offer via his managers? Privately or publicly br]Certainly not “he can’ call me I guess, maybe I’ll say yes. Or no. Or simply hang upon him I don’t want it actually. And he’s a coward and all other bad thing. Btw my new album Council Skies is out now”
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Post by emil on Jun 7, 2023 8:23:36 GMT -5
Noel's definitely taken the upper hand, here. Shrewd bit of manipulation. You can see how the sibling rivalry got to the state that it has done. I think a third party would have to come in to organise a reunion - neither brother is making that call first. I find it surprising that Noel now says no real (outside) offers for a reunion/tour has ever been presented. I'm not into conspiracies or believe there is something more shrewd going on than them reacting to one another and trying to be witty and putting the other one down, but it could be interpreted as a way by him to get out of his "OASIS WILL NEVER REUNITE" stance. "Well, no offer was really presented until now" "Well, me and Liam never really had a conversation about what a reunion would entail until now.
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Post by cozzy1 on Jun 7, 2023 8:47:57 GMT -5
Liam goes on Twitter and says stuff like "it's definitely happening", to stir us all up, when he knows there's nothing to suggest it's happening
If he really wanted to discuss a reunion - even without meeting up - he could easily get his manager to contact Noel's manager, and see what it would take for it to happen
Noel doesn't want it, he's said as much for years, so if Liam wants it as bad as he makes out, then initiate contact, and then if it doesn't come to fruition, at least he can say he did his part
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jun 7, 2023 8:53:42 GMT -5
This boxing-style back and forth is getting boring. If there was any will to reunite, it would be done in private. Noel turning the tables and exposing Liam for being, to quote Joker, just a dog chasing cars is the least boring this has been. It's a clever way to have a new answer to a tired question and Liams constant "my bags are packed, it's all Noels fault he is the devil. Liam through the years being all pro-Oasis to be opposite Noel and forcing him to be the "bad guy" in saying Oasis won't be back, for social media likes and to be in the good graces of the fans is far more boring. Liam wanting Oasis and the money that follows back when he was down on his luck and his band BE not taking off is what it is. Since his own success, Noel exposing it for just being empty PR-posing is quite genius. And seeing Liams desperate tweets (lashing out and even slagging off Noels ex again) about why he isn't just calling and presenting a plan, proves Noel right. I don't agree with that. Liam lived and breathed Oasis and lived and breathed being in a band. Even as recently as last year he said he missed being in a band which led to rumours of him forming some sort of supergroup and I think if he could turn the clock back to 2009 and pick up where they left off he'd duff the solo career in a heartbeat. Oasis was a major part of his identity. Granted, I think a huge part of that was because of the lifestyle it afforded him - he wasn't the songwriter, he barely turned up for soundchecks etc or got involved in the corporate side, he simply turned up on stage or in the studio, played the rock star and onto the next one. I would even say the only time his heart has been in the solo career in terms of making and releasing music in the studio was As You Were. Why Me, Why Not was a case of him continuing the momentum from the first album but there was a notable shift in terms of how much (or how little) he actually wrote - the songwriters did much more of the work compared to As You Were. Then he did the bare minimum to promote Come On You Know and openly criticised it not long after release. Releasing music is more of a vehicle for him to tour and I think if he could continue playing big gigs but only play Oasis songs he'd snap your hand off. I don't think Noel is exposing Liam at all. Noel has consistently said he'll never reform, he's also said he'll take their feud to the grave and also re-iterating that he isn't interested in the very same interviews as he is saying "call me". We all know it isn't as simple as Liam calling Noel and presenting a plan - it falls down at the first hurdle when they aren't on speaking terms. It's certainly a much cleverer way of answering, but it isn't exposing anyone.
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Post by codyr on Jun 7, 2023 9:10:38 GMT -5
At least RKID made it across the pond… Selling maybe 1.000 tickets per gig. Great.
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 7, 2023 9:34:15 GMT -5
Being popular in America should be seen as a downside. If James Corden can do it, I don't want to.
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Post by glider on Jun 7, 2023 11:35:22 GMT -5
Not defending Liam being childish but Noel is being manipulative and major recency bias is happening. When was the last time Liam banged on about the reunion happening? All I've seen him say within the last year when asked was "hope so" or "ask Rkid". He was egging on fans when Beady Eye blew up, especially when he posted the picture of him with the backstage pass to one of Noel's gigs. But since his solo career has taken off, I haven't noticed this "gassing up" Noel says Liam keeps doing. Is it just me?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 7, 2023 11:59:19 GMT -5
I don't really want an Oasis reunion. But it would be cool if they collaborated on each others records or started something entirely new. Going back to the trigger of their pain and suffering might not be the best choice. Maybe starting something fresh would give them a positive mentality.
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Post by emil on Jun 7, 2023 12:10:28 GMT -5
When was the last time Liam banged on about the reunion happening? All I've seen him say within the last year when asked was "hope so" or "ask Rkid". He was egging on fans when Beady Eye blew up, especially when he posted the picture of him with the backstage pass to one of Noel's gigs. But since his solo career has taken off, I haven't noticed this "gassing up" Noel says Liam keeps doing. Is it just me? March 18 2023. Witch caused Noel to respond with the "Stop lying on Social media, and instead call me/my management or have your managers call me/my management and present your idea about a reunion, instead of lying about it making UK newspapers write about it signal boosting your lies to fans. But you won't because you don't want a reunion". So the answer to your question is two (2) months ago.
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Post by emil on Jun 7, 2023 12:14:41 GMT -5
At least RKID made it across the pond… Selling maybe 1.000 tickets per gig. Great. So, are you are saying Noel shouldn't play to US fans because he is playing smaller places?
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Post by mossy on Jun 7, 2023 12:16:05 GMT -5
When was the last time Liam banged on about the reunion happening? All I've seen him say within the last year when asked was "hope so" or "ask Rkid". He was egging on fans when Beady Eye blew up, especially when he posted the picture of him with the backstage pass to one of Noel's gigs. But since his solo career has taken off, I haven't noticed this "gassing up" Noel says Liam keeps doing. Is it just me? March 18 2023. Witch caused Noel to respond with the "Stop lying on Social media, and instead call me/my management or have your managers call me/my management and present your idea about a reunion, instead of lying about it making UK newspapers write about it signal boosting your lies to fans. But you won't because you don't want a reunion". So the answer to your question is two (2) months ago. He said it just a couple of weeks ago (if Man City were to win the league). www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12104509/amp/Liam-Gallagher-promises-Oasis-reunion-Manchester-City-wins-Champions-League.html⚽️
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Post by jh on Jun 7, 2023 12:53:50 GMT -5
The best response from Liam would be something along the lines of 'This has gone too far - our relationship as bandmates broke down but we've now gone 14 years without speaking and both said some awful things about each other. I was hurt that you broke up the band, threw me under the bus and weren't there for me when I needed you. I lashed out, got too personal and involved your family. If you want me to call you I will but not about Oasis, I want to mend our relationship as brothers first but need you to be willing to accept your part in what has happened'. As I said earlier, he is far too emotional and hot headed to say anything like that and also not eloquent enough to say it, but would hope Debbie has a quiet word and advises him. I'm not really interested in a reunion. Noel's heart wouldn't be in it which is completely fair enough as he's older and enjoys doing his own thing. It would clearly be a cash grab which would take the shine off it, and any gig would likely be full of complete arseholes on their day out whereas Liam and Noel are already putting on great gigs as it is and far more frequently than the latter days of Oasis. But the bitterness and back and forth is just pathetic and really boring. I can't ever imagine a time when they will be close again as there is too much water under the bridge, but it would be nice if they could at least be on civil terms again and put some of the shit behind them. Perhaps not all of it - I don't think Noel will ever forgive Liam for his treatment towards Sara in 2018 - but some of the other baggage around the split and Liam's divorce can be worked through to a point where they at least don't hate each other anymore. Agreed. It's just gone soo long that it's seen as pretty pathetic by even the hardest of hard-core haters of either camp. Public family fueding that has Actually got very boring now. Like a neighbour. Everyone says..oooh their at it again...eye rolls.
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Post by codyr on Jun 7, 2023 13:07:19 GMT -5
Selling maybe 1.000 tickets per gig. Great. So, are you are saying Noel shouldn't play to US fans because he is playing smaller places? Nope. But selling 1.000 tickets for a venue with a capacity of 6.000 fans doesn't look great? So booking smaller venues makes sense.
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Post by glider on Jun 7, 2023 15:24:49 GMT -5
Didn't see this. This seems more tongue in cheek compared to the backstage pass photo though.
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Post by mossy on Jun 7, 2023 15:35:35 GMT -5
Didn't see this. This seems more tongue in cheek compared to the backstage pass photo though. It was tongue in cheek but you see how the press report it and how casual fans take it.
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Post by jezza2 on Jun 7, 2023 15:44:35 GMT -5
So, are you are saying Noel shouldn't play to US fans because he is playing smaller places? Nope. But selling 1.000 tickets for a venue with a capacity of 6.000 fans doesn't look great? So booking smaller venues makes sense. That may be the case, but you’re not going to sell out a lot of places with a solo Gallagher in the USA. There’s a reason he’s touring with Garbage, who does have a bigger draw. If you look at the scheduled dates, he’s playing a lot venues from the Tour of Brotherly Love with The Black Crowes, so it’s not a terrible downgrade. And again, I’m just thankful he’s actually playing in the states, regardless of how small the draw is.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 7, 2023 16:29:26 GMT -5
Didn't see this. This seems more tongue in cheek compared to the backstage pass photo though. It was tongue in cheek but you see how the press report it and how casual fans take it. If someone chooses to take a Daily Mail story at face value its their own fault tbh. He also said 'if' they win the Champions League.
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