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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 16, 2022 14:47:02 GMT -5
Feels like the show really was meant to be like 4 episodes. Some really stretched thin moments mid season. So much ground to cover with 1 episode remaining. The Kenobi Script was originally meant to be a movie but they stopped production when the Han Solo Movie flopped. So they turned that same script into the show. It shows. Hopefully they plan out season 2 better and don't just launch into it without any plans like what happened to the sequel trilogy. I also hope season 2 has more risk and less safe characters.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 16, 2022 17:44:04 GMT -5
I think it might have been a mistake to release the show week by week. They should have just dropped them all at once, considering how short it is. A lot of the poor reviews are based on the first 2 episodes, I bet binging the whole thing at once would feel better to watch.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 16, 2022 17:49:42 GMT -5
Feels like the show really was meant to be like 4 episodes. Some really stretched thin moments mid season. So much ground to cover with 1 episode remaining. The Kenobi Script was originally meant to be a movie but they stopped production when the Han Solo Movie flopped. So they turned that same script into the show. Not sure that is entirely all true. I know that they dumped their original tv scripts after show runners realized that having Obi-Wan run around protecting Luke was too close to Baby Yoda so they pivoted to Leia. Not a huge change but we didn’t expect it.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 16, 2022 21:26:44 GMT -5
Damn, episode 5 was pretty good. I like that we are finally seeing Vader's true power. Finally some development for Reva too.
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Post by welshylad on Jun 17, 2022 7:17:22 GMT -5
Apparently the last episode's running time is 93 minutes
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 17, 2022 10:22:51 GMT -5
Apparently the last episode's running time is 93 minutes I hope that's true!
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 21, 2022 5:16:49 GMT -5
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 22, 2022 8:08:14 GMT -5
Cant wait to see how all this unfolds and where this emotionally abusive relationship with Star Wars will leave me after finishing the series
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 22, 2022 8:18:18 GMT -5
Hard to do a series like this. So much jumping through hoops to avoid canon issues. Literally we know everyone survived this series.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 22, 2022 22:56:52 GMT -5
Hard to do a series like this. So much jumping through hoops to avoid canon issues. Literally we know everyone survived this series. Not too hard, really. They just had to limit the use of characters we have seen, other than Obi-Wan of course. We needed a main character whose fate we didn't know, because they do not exist in 4-6, who works along side Obi-Wan.
I had a working idea for a story that I outlined on the old IMDB forums back in the day when that was a thing.
It started out mostly the same, only Obi-Wan was in a severe state of depression, haunted by his past mistakes. It would be later revealed that his night terrors and daily flashbacks were sent by Vader through the force in an attempt to whittle him down and draw him out, since they still had a strong connection.
For the first time though, Obi-Wan is tempted by the dark side. That's how much our hero has fallen. He's faced with the decision to go down Anakin's path or end his life, as he sees no other way out of the hole he's in.
He checks in on a very young Luke one final time to say his goodbyes, and then marches out into the desert with no supplies or food, intending to let the elements take him. A sand storm hits and he collapses, allowing the desert to swallow him, but just as his face is about to covered by the sands, Qui-Gon Jinn appears as a force ghost. Qui-Gon tells Obi-Wan of a young Padawan that escaped Order 66, but had been hunted in the years since. He's finally been captured, held and set for execution. Qui-Gon asks him to go and rescue the Padawan and thus starts the journey.
It would make the audience ask questions like: Why Does Qui-Gon care about this Padawan (of all those still remaining and in danger)? And that would have been answered as the story unfolded.
There would have been familiar faces appearing along the journey, but nothing centered around them too much, mainly just helpful roles. Vader would have been the primary villain, naturally, who sensed Obi-Wan's internal struggle and would try to convert him, much like he would later try on Luke.
The point is though, that Obi-Wan would use the Padawan sort of as therapy to heal his own mistakes as their friendship strengthened and he trains his new student. A stand in Anakin, if you will. He would serve as Obi-Wan's way of escaping those temptations from the dark side, eventually gathering enough courage to resist and face Vader and by the end, restore his own faith in the force, bridging him to Ben Kenobi that we see in A New Hope. The Padawan would have been a primary figure. Would the padawan survive or die by the end of the story? And what connection to Qui-Gon did he have?
Disney chose the safe route. The route where they really didn't have to take a risk on a new main character. I guess technically Reva is that risk, but they pushed her off to the sideline. She was a villain the whole time, barely relatable in any way to the audience other than with the brief flashback and minor redemptive act in the final episode. Not quite the level that they needed to create proper tension in the story and invest the audience in what is going on.
Maybe they will take greater risk with season 2. But it's Disney ...
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 22, 2022 23:18:25 GMT -5
Final episode is pretty much what I expected. Not really what I had hoped for overall. Not sure if better than the prequels. But I'll take it over the sequels. Qui-Gon's force ghost was ... off. I don't think Qui-Gon made a single joke when he was alive in the limited time that we saw him in Phantom Menace. He was mostly matter of fact. Stern. Serious. But as a force ghost he opens with a teasing joke? Nitpicky, I know. But it gave me Marvel vibes, where in scenes that ought to be dramatic and serious, there's flippant dialogue instead. I enjoyed it, it just could have been better. There was a lot of opportunity that I think they wasted and considering it's the bottomless pit of money that is Disney, I have no idea what held them back.
That final duel though, one worthy of the jedi records for sure!
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Post by welshylad on Jun 23, 2022 1:28:44 GMT -5
I thought the last episode was brilliant to be fair.
That duel was quality
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 23, 2022 4:36:49 GMT -5
Yeah what’s left to say really. Outside of the Kenobi-Vader scenes, the story was kinda pointless, or let’s say, the way they set up the story made it impossible to tell an intriguing story. And that’s the problem with all of Star Wars these days except for the Mandalorian. When you rely so much on the past, you are creatively bankrupt, because there’s no way to make you feel tense for any of these characters, when you now they are going to survive anyway, except for all the new ones obviously, but they threw so many into this show, there was no time to feel connected to anyone.
The perfect example was the scene with Reva and Luke, you don’t feel anything. You know Luke’s going to survive and we don’t really care about Reva, so we were watching bad fan fiction basically.
It’s a shame, I was really excited for this show, but it ended up disappointing. Why is it so hard to tell a good story in the Star Wars universe?
As a side note: Of course they played the imperial march and teased leias theme in the end and I got major goosebumps so WHY IN THE HELL WONT THEY AT LEAST PUSH THESE TRIGGERS MORE REGULARLY?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 23, 2022 9:58:57 GMT -5
I still think they should have dropped all of the episodes at once. Probably would have fared better with public opinion as a binged season.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 23, 2022 11:07:40 GMT -5
Qui-Gon and The Emperor felt like fan service. We all wanted a force ghost Qui-Gon in episode III. Instead we get it 17 years later and with 10 seconds remaining in the series. We didn’t learn anything new from either cameo.
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 23, 2022 11:33:36 GMT -5
Qui-Gon and The Emperor felt like fan service. We all wanted a force ghost Qui-Gon in episode III. Instead we get it 17 years later and with 10 seconds remaining in the series. We didn’t learn anything new from either cameo. And they just had to include Luke somehow, so unnecessary. The whole scene with Reva fighting Owen and his wife was stupid
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 23, 2022 14:50:03 GMT -5
Qui-Gon and The Emperor felt like fan service. We all wanted a force ghost Qui-Gon in episode III. Instead we get it 17 years later and with 10 seconds remaining in the series. We didn’t learn anything new from either cameo. And they just had to include Luke somehow, so unnecessary. The whole scene with Reva fighting Owen and his wife was stupid I was honestly hoping Owen and his wife would take out Reva. Would have been bad ass and totally unexpected. Give those two their due for what happens to them in episode IV.
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 23, 2022 15:09:30 GMT -5
And they just had to include Luke somehow, so unnecessary. The whole scene with Reva fighting Owen and his wife was stupid I was honestly hoping Owen and his wife would take out Reva. Would have been bad ass and totally unexpected. Give those two their due for what happens to them in episode IV. Im glad they didn’t. I like the actress and hope they do something with her character in the future. Her scene in the end with Kenobi was great.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 23, 2022 16:28:34 GMT -5
I was honestly hoping Owen and his wife would take out Reva. Would have been bad ass and totally unexpected. Give those two their due for what happens to them in episode IV. Im glad they didn’t. I like the actress and hope they do something with her character in the future. Her scene in the end with Kenobi was great. She did bad things. Not sure she can be redeemed.
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Post by welshylad on Jun 24, 2022 2:13:38 GMT -5
Im glad they didn’t. I like the actress and hope they do something with her character in the future. Her scene in the end with Kenobi was great. She did bad things. Not sure she can be redeemed. Anakin seemed pretty redeemed chilling with Kenobi and Yoda when he was a ghost. Lolz
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 24, 2022 4:22:03 GMT -5
Im glad they didn’t. I like the actress and hope they do something with her character in the future. Her scene in the end with Kenobi was great. She did bad things. Not sure she can be redeemed. I can fix her!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 24, 2022 7:32:39 GMT -5
She did bad things. Not sure she can be redeemed. Anakin seemed pretty redeemed chilling with Kenobi and Yoda when he was a ghost. Lolz I hear ya but at that point he was dead. Can’t hang with Reva in real life. She’s killed innocent people. Cut that old woman’s hand off too.
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Post by LightsOffInside on Jun 24, 2022 7:34:59 GMT -5
The last episode might be one of my favourite star wars moments ever. I've watched it 3 times. Absolutely amazing, and for me is the perfect link between Revenge Of The Sith and A New Hope, ties up a lot of loose ends and if anything it gives the OT more meaning. I am elated.
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Post by darmin on Jun 24, 2022 23:52:20 GMT -5
I liked it. The script could be better tho. Maybe it would work better if it was shorter? But overall good enough, to show how and why Obi-Wan changed between Episode 3 and 4. I don’t think that Qui-Gon and Palps cameos was unnecessary. Qui-Gons was to show how Obi-Wan have changed. And palpatine literally is only person who can stop Vader. His ‘you seem agitated my friend’ line after Vader’s rant was awesome.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 25, 2022 23:50:25 GMT -5
I've rewatched that final duel a few more times now. After Obi-Wan strikes his helmet and Anakin is defeated, they exchange words. Obi-Wan apologizes to Anakin. And Anakin's face then becomes shrouded in a mix of blue and red. He gets this look in his eyes, empathy and shame.
He tells Obi-Wan, "You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. I did."
My first viewing of the scene, I interpreted it as gloating. Like he wouldn't even give that to Obi-Wan. His pride was so extreme that he had to take credit. But I don't think that's the takeaway anymore.
The point of saying that to Obi-Wan is because he sees Obi-Wan is in pain, thinking he was the reason for Anakin's decision. Anakin wants to let his guilt off the hook. He wants to ease his masters pain. It's Anakin talking in this moment. Not Darth Vader.
Then the color shifts from that mix between blue and red to pure red and he continues to speak "The same way I will destroy you." Now it's Vader again.
I love it. Really well done.
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